What is better, Q3 or UT. I already have UT, but I'm thinking of Q3, what do you say is better, if one or the other is.

Thanks

[Macfreak7]

Originally posted by DaveSaint:
What is better, Q3 or UT. I already have UT, but I'm thinking of Q3, what do you say is better, if one or the other is.

Thanks

i personally LOVE q2 for multiplayer. but i guess its not that popular anymore. Q3 is very good for m/p too, though the maps all use similar textures.. not as different as UT maps.they are fun to play.
UT is the best for single player.


its a matter of personal preference actually. try and play both and then decide.

Neither. Get Bugdom (heh).

[ShortcutToMoncton]

I'd go with Freak. UT is definitely, in my personal opinion, a better game in terms os gameplay and the overall "fun factor". Q3 just doesn't have the "oomph" that UT seems to have, though it's hard to explain...things just seem louder and more dangerous in UT. Plus, you can usually get killed faster, which makes for a faster-paced game.....;-)

Having said that, Q3 is probably more "realistic" in terms of gameplay, because more things seems to have been thought out. Weapon balance, style of play...that's very refined.

It's also good to note that Q3 is better for Internet play because it has a superior method of handling online gaming. You'll generally get a better ping and less latency when playing Q3, and it definitely handles low-bandwidth connections better as well.....

greg

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[blizzard]

There have also been numerous posts concerning this topic in this here games forum, so if you troll through I'm sure you can find a coupla hundred other opionions too.

Blizzard.

Thanks. Does anyone know how much the game costs now, and where I could get it?

[cashsixty8]

Uh... Quake 2 is supposed to have HORRIBLE multiplayer, thats why Q3 is a lot more similar to Q1.

It works down like this:

Quake: Best deathmatch, best physics, most 'fluid'

UT: Cooler weapons, bots, gameplay, levels, graphics, and 'theme'.

I think most people agree with that.

Ca$h

I hope this doesn't start a flame war, but I hate Unreal games. The graphics are so dark that you can hardly see anything, and the company has in some cases started selling games and then abandoned development while they're still in beta. I think Unreal games are very frustrating to play, and from the limited experience I have, Q3Arena impressed me much more in all aspects. Just my opinion.

This is all just great, but does anyone know how much it costs now? How about where I can get it?

[The Dude]

Originally posted by cashsixty8:
Uh... Quake 2 is supposed to have HORRIBLE multiplayer, thats why Q3 is a lot more similar to Q1.
Ca$h

Well whether or not it sucks, I won a Q2 tournament. Me and eight other guys. I started mid game and I still kicked all their asses!

So while I may be partial, I must say that Q2 has damn fine multiplayer.

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[seanyepez]

(Sean laughs hysterically. )

How many god damn times has this issue been discussed? Anyone care to comment?

I'd estimate five.

Well, I'd recommend Quake III because UT sucks.

[Macfreak7]

i really dont give a **** for what "people agree with", it is (repeat)a matter of choice after all.
for me quake2 definitely has the best everything for multiplayer, except net connectivity, which only matters if your connection is bad.


but since the option here is either quake3 or UT .....blah blah..... refer post #2
i might just add gameplay is better in the quake series, the effectiveness of different weapons is ALOT better than UT.
but again, UT has alternate fire for each weapon. so that kinda equals it.
and there are alot of other areas too... u just have to play both and then decide, unless u are greatly influenced by "logical thinkers"

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[cashsixty8]

Quake 2 is pratically famous for horrible multiplayer, but ok.

Anyway, Unreal games aren't so dark if you have a 3DFX card.

You know what i DO hate though? Someone who owns only one of htem dissing the other one. How can you make a fair comparison? Like the quake guy there. He says he has Q3, but hasnt played UT, and suggest Q3. WTF?! I have both. Both are good. Get both.

Ca$h

PS: If you cant find a place to purchase these, that is REALLY extrememely pathetic. Ever heard of a search engine? Or maybe macmall.com? Sheesh.

[seanyepez]

Are you referring to me, Ca$h? I have both games, and I think UT is horrible down to the last detail. Even though you will disagree, I think the models suck.

[ShortcutToMoncton]

Horrible down to the last detail? Nah. For one, I think the items in QuakeIII suck, because they are just floating icons. It somehow doesn't convey the satisfaction that grabbing a nice rocket launcher does....

Anyway, look online or around yer town if you don't know where to find the game. Jeez, look on Apple's web site if you want. Take some initiative, buddy...you found this site, I'm sure you can pop up Sherlock and find QuakeIII....

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Alright, listen. What is this? A forum. What are forums for? Helping people, discussing issues, whatever. Just because I have a life and don't cruise the net searching for price comparisons, locations, etc, doesn't mean you have to respond in such a condescending manner. Though I am an avid gamer, I am not one who has nothing better to do then cut someone down just because they had a question. Cashsixty8, I am NOT pathetic. I had a question, and you failed miserably in answering it. Thanks for all the great support though, guys. I guess that talk of a great Mac community is bull............

Thanks again for the help!!

Dave

Everyone else in here seemed kind enough to put up with the question (I appreciate that). Why couldn't you ca$h? Sheesh.

[cashsixty8]

Because, he's dumb. He asks a question that would take anyone with half a brain about 12 seconds to figure out.

>goes to sherlock<

>types in "Mac software"<

TAAA-DAAAA!!! or easier yet:

>search.com<

>"mac software<

Duh. Use your brain. Thats like going onto a website and asking people for the website to....company BLA, when it takes like 10 seconds to search for it and find it.

Ca$h

[seanyepez]

Quake is the best online deathmatch with classical weapons. UT is a game for a niche market just like, say, Deus Ex. Newbies play Unreal.

I've never seen an Unreal Tournament championship. I've been to many Quake championships. There are more than a hundred mods for Quake III, and just a handful for Unreal.

Unreal's Internet/LAN code sucks. Quake III's is the best in the industry.

Rocket Arena hasn't come out for Unreal Tournament. Does that say something?

Unreal Tournament has hellishly long application load times. Quake III loads in just a few seconds.

Sure, Unreal's AI runs circles around Quake's, but these games are meant to be played online. Bots bore me. I can take on Godlike (Godlike? Naw...) bots in Unreal Tournament CTF with three of my buddies. (We play eight "Godlike" bots versus four of us. Two of us snipe, two of us are on offense. It's quite easy, actually.

Quake III: Arena has way better graphics. Amen. Curved surfaces, dynamic this-and-that, and whatever else makes Quake superior in the graphics arena (no pun intended).

There are exponentially more Quake servers than Unreal servers.

Unreal is a low-end game. (That's arguable, but this post is purely opinion.) Quake III: Arena is for the classic Quake I head (like me).

All in all, they're just games. It's not a subject for a war...

[seanyepez]

Oh, yeah. I forgot...

There are millions of Quake players and merely a handful of UT players.

Quake is a community. Unreal isn't.

Quake has more multiplayer replay value. I've played Quake III: Arena from the testing stages. That makes it two years that I've played this game. I won't get sick of it until another wonderful Internet game comes out.

I beat Unreal during my trip to Japan. Ever since then, I don't think I've ever played it for more than a few minutes (excluding my trip to Lana'i with a friend - screw nature and the beach, we played Unreal in our hotel room).

At LAN parties, guess what's played? Quake.

[seanyepez]

The only reason we played Unreal: his crappy VAIO couldn't play OpenGL-enabled games.

My PowerBook needed a reinstall (I tried everything), so I couldn't jump on Internet servers. I'd love to play with a ping of 2000 milleseconds.

I had to play Unreal. Lucky us, I brought my Quake II CD. We played Quake II single-player games for the remainder of the trip - Facing Words about fifty times got boring.

[ShortcutToMoncton]

I didn't mean to sound rude, but it's true. That's what Sherlock is for - it even has a "shopping" button. Where did you buy yer Mac to????

That's all it takes. I don't know where you'd find it any more than you do - I just look when I need to. It really isn't that hard.....

greg

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[cashsixty8]

Sean: You spouted out quite a bit, but a lot of it is in fact WRONG.

You stated that hundreds of mods for Q3 exist but only a handful for UT. Thats just simply not true. There are a TON of mods for UT. Unreal4eva, crotchshot, and all those kickass mutators, and complete game conversions like that infiltration, and strike force. UT has a LOT more mods than Q3.

Rocket Arena has come out for UT. IT comes with the bonus pack. Click on mutator "rocket arena". Ta-da.

UT's load times. I dont know what you are tlaking about, but loading a Quake 3 level takes WAY longer than a UT level. Add the fact that you can't modify your graphics in Q3 without reloading the whole map, and it gets annoying to tweak things REAL fast.... application startup is no contest though. UT takes a while.

I'm not saying one is better than the other. Im just saying each have their strong points.

Q3 is a definate LAN and dialup game, while UT is basically LAN only, due to shitty ping.

Graphics: Q3 uses better technology and is more impressive, but I like how colorful everything is in UT.

Ca$h

[seanyepez]

I knew you'd bring that up. Unreal does have faster level load times. The problem is that Unreal Tournament's initial lag is really a turn-off.

[ShortcutToMoncton]

...and while I will freely admit that QIII has a better graphics engine, the game still does not look as "nice". It's too drab, sort've, and everything is all basically one colour.

UT, like Cash said, has waaaaaay more colours and seems better designed to give an impressive visual experience without the bonus enhancements that the QuakeIII engine has. Curved surfaces are all very impressive, but UT stands out with flash and eye candy.

greg

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[seanyepez]

Too bad you Mac-addicts haven't tried Rocket Arena 3 for the PC. There are a lot of mods that have come out for the PC and not the Mac that are really kick-ass.

I don't think the mods are compatible with the Macintosh. Some are, then again, some aren't.

The heavy-duty ones like Rocket Arena 3 and WFA/Q3F aren't. I thought it was supposed to be cross-platform compatible...

You can have your opinions about UT being better. The facts are tremendously more people play Q3A rather than UT. In my opinion, Quake looks better and has more vivid graphics.

Sheer frames per second? Go Quake! You can turn a lot of things off that you can't (easily) in Unreal.

[ShortcutToMoncton]

All true.

Unfortunately, UT was rated better than QuakeIII by just about every computer gaming magazine (ESPECIALLY PC ones), and won many more "Game/Action Game of the Year" awards.

When personal opinions differ, give evidence by the "experts".....

Also note that I refuse and will continue to refuse to use something because "more people do it". I think we both know what a useless argument that is, especially since we're posting in a Mac forum....


I stand by my feeling that UT is more fun and exciting to play, regardless of its technological shortcomings.

greg

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[seanyepez]

In any case, I think Quake is more fun. It's an "opinion thing" that can't really be decided by facts.

[cashsixty8]

I dunno, I kinda like the LONG start up quick level approach. You only have to wait once per game, whereas quake is every game.

And for R3 and stuff being mac compatable. I hear its partially due to the built in MP3 player. Oh well. At least Q3F works....which kicks ass.

Ca$h

It seems that no matter how many times this topic is posted, there is always a HUGE deal about it. I just saw those old posts, and that was more than enough to answer my question (and settle any undecidedness deep in my stomach). I played the Q3 demo too, but I would have to say that UT is better. Well, not better, but different. Thanks for the response anyways though.

FAKK 2 is cool. I just got it. Just curious, but is there a limit to the number of quicksaves at one time? I got all the way to the swamp from towncenter, happily quicksaving along the way. When I go to pick up the chainsaw sword, it stutters and crashes (I got the fix after). So I boot up again, and there is no saved games! Why?!!

Looks like a long night in front of me.........

Dave

[MoBius]

Why did ya have to ask that question you knew it would spark a huge thing. Well i like Q3 cause i own Q3F GO AC3! but i like ut and find ut dm and others fun to play and some ut mods are better but some of q3 better they are both good overall.

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[seanyepez]

On the PC, Unreal's load times are very short. I'd say it takes me 5-10 seconds to launch the application.

[blizzard]

I don't suppose that would have anything to do with your gigahertz PC now, would it, Sean?

Methinks anything would load up fast on that baby.

Blizz.

Edit: hello? ubb code? hello?

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I finally have both Q3 and UT, so I can compare them both. My impressions are very similar to what seem to be the mainstream opinons on this topic:

Quake 3: This game has a far superior 3d engine, allowing it to render more detail at higher framerates than UT. It is more fluid and the physics of movement (running, jumping, ect.) are more realistic. Quake also has superior internet play.

UT: This game has far more exciting and immersive gameplay. First, the weapons are more interesting. In Quake the weapons mainly go "bang" and you see a distant, colored spot where they inflicted damage. In UT, weapons actually fire projectiles...rockets trail smoke, machine guns leave tracer bullets, and the ripper fires richocheting discs that buzz around rooms. It's like the difference between Space Invaders and Doom. Sounds are also better in UT...they are more realistic.

All in all, I'm frustrated that UT isn't optimized for Open GL. I think that if it were, the few advantages Quake has over UT would vanish. I'm hoping that UT 2's game engine is more advanced.

Also, even though Q3 has more detailed textures, for some reason, UT's graphics seem more crisp and colorful. I even like Quake 3 textures better when they are used in UT.

Maybe because of a wider color scheme that Unreal Tournament implements. You spoke of Unreal Tournament 2? I hadn't heard of that. Where did you hear that, and please, enlighten me.

Dave
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[LT]

DaveSaint,

I like to buy my games from Mac-O-Rama because they're Mac only, reliable, have good service, and stock a lot of older games.

Here are some other places to check if you're looking for lowest price. These links will take you right to the Mac section.

Amazon
CDAccess
Chips &Bits
Compuexpert
EBworld
GameStop

PS. I prefer Quake, but I'll refrain from giving a detailed analysis since it's pretty much all been said.

[cashsixty8]

Actually, my friend has a 650mhz P3, and his UT takes about 6 seconds longer to load than it does my 333 iMac.

I think you're full of **** Sean.

Ca$h

Thank you LT. I will check out those sites.

Thanks again for answering my question.

Dave
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[cashsixty8]

You wouldnt have had to wait 5 days if you had used a FREAKING SEARCH ENGINE!

>sigh<

Man, I feel smarter every day.

Ca$h

I'm glad to have helped risen your self-esteem, Ca$h, but I decided not to buy the game the day of the post. I was simply being polite by thanking LT for answering the question. However, your input is always appreciated.

Dave

…UT for rad graphics. Use the Lazy Matrix 2.5 mutator to watch the Rocket Launcher load and fire in slowmo. Awesome. Also, check out the different types of headshots.

[seanyepez]

I'm not, Ca$h. Your friend has a really crappy PC or you have a really well-optimized iMac.

[seanyepez]

I know what I'll do! I'm going to create an iMovie of my PC starting up Unreal just for you, Ca$h.

[Cipher13]

LOL, isn't one of iMovie 2's new features the ability to do fast and slow motion?
Hehe...

Cipher13

[reader50]

I have both and prefer UT. This is mostly because of the weapons handling. I cannot get the scroll wheel to work in Q3, and there is no user customizable weapons hierarchy. Either you always switch weapons manually (with keys), or
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[TimmyDee51]

I also have both UT and Q3 and I have to say I am partial to Q3 on a number of reasons.

One: UT's graphics are not as crisp. Q3's are nice and smooth, thanks to OpenGL (I prefer OpenGL surfaces).

Two: UT may be more "realistic," but I think realism can be left to games like Rainbow Six.

Three: Q3 has something about it (default game speed, areana layout, something) that makes it 10 TIMES more intense than UT. I find myself breathing hard after a Q3 game but not even phased when I play UT.

Unfortunately, UT plays better on my rev. D iMac than Q3. But when I get a chance to play Q3 on my parents DV SE (when I am home), I jump on it. Nothing like a good game of Q3.

[seanyepez]

Agreed, Timmy.

Q3 is better for Deathmatch, UT is better for Capture the flag.

The physics in Quake 3 are better overall.

I usually differentiate them by saying that with UT, you are playing a game, in Q3, you are IN the game.

[TimmyDee51]

Wow, Berko, I'd never thought of it that way. But you're 100% correct.

[seanyepez]

...And Rocket Arena 3 owns every other game out there.