[cashsixty8]

Hi. So many of you are pumping D2's nads, I just thought I'd offer a different opinion to people who might consider getting it.

First off, more of the same. Diablo 2 is like Diablo, only with a tad better graphics. The main difference is sheer SIZE.

Diablo 2 is absolutely freaking HUGE, which is one of the reasons I dont like it. IT doesnt really matter what level you are in, they all start to look farmiliar after a while, and you better not have a problem with that.

Another thing I dont like is all it is is clicking. Ever hear someone play D2 with headphones?
>click<>click<> click<>click<>click&am p;lt;>click<>click<&am p;gt;click<>click<>cli ck<>click<>click&l t;>click<>click&l t;>click<>click<&g t;click<>click<>click& amp;lt;>click<>click<& amp;gt;click<>click<>c lick<
Thats all there is to it. Basically the more time you spend in the game, the mroe you click, the better you get. But there is no skill involved at all. Just amount of clicking (time spent).

Sure, some people we'll say there is strategy and whatnot, but come on. Basically there isn't.

This game is also 2d, which I find really boring. I guess you could say it has some nifty 2d/3d lightign effects, but who cares really.

This is one game I will never want.

Ca$h

[Cipher13]

I borrowed D2 off a friend who basically proclaims that Diablo is the greatest thing ever...
I said I hadn't even played part 1, and what the hell was it?
So anyway, installed and played.
While it kept me occupied for about an hour, I have since deleted it. Nothing really happened... I mean, I cleared out that cave of evil, and then went to that big area and got chased by a bunch of monsters and died.
Then I had to go back with my pissy little weapon, to where my body was, and fight off all these gargantuan beasts (about 7 of them, including a blue one)...
I don't see the big deal.
I thought it was ok, but nothing special.
Just wait for Starcraft 2... now THAT will be good...

Cipher13

[Rivak]

wow, you just described about every game ever made!

kudos to those of you who are just now drawing this conclusion

[ShortcutToMoncton]

You guys obviously have very short attention spans.

Talking about the clicking...well, what the hell do you do in Quake or Unreal???? That whole comment made absolutely no sense...in ANY game you play, there are certain things you have to do in order to MOVE YOUR CHARACTER AROUND. In Diablo, you click (WITH YOUR MOUSE) where you want to go. There's also a click-and-hold option that will just keep your character moving, btw....

Strategy???? The whole game is strategy...but not necessarily strategy in killing monsters (though there is some). It's in the building of your character, and shaping it to fit your style of play (or how you want to play). DiabloII is much better at this, since there are a limited number of skill points involved, and each "tree" can't simply be maxed out like in DiabloI.

It's in the fun of finding new items that will help your character...or trading with other people for stuff you really need. Killing monsters is no big deal - but it gives you points that results in new skill levels for spells and options to gain more life, mana or whatnot.

DiabloII is almost like a game of survival. You're trying to build the best character to beat everyone else. You guys missed the point. That's why when you die, you lose your stuff - because then there's an actual reason to stay alive and keep getting better. Not like your average first-person, where dying doesn't matter....

I've got a lvl 35 necromancer, and I'm damn proud of him - because I think I did a good job building up his skills. THAT'S a big part of the satisfaction of playing Diablo, not just going around killing monsters....

greg

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[The Dude]

AMEN!

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-Socrates

[cashsixty8]

I thought of a good analogy. Ever play those old arcade games where you get a big foam hammer and smack the moles when they pop up? Imagine that game on a computer, with monsters instead of moles, and using your mouse instead of a hammer.

The point is, D2 requires no gaming skills what so ever. Hand eye coordination? About as much as using Mac OS. Reflexes? Uh..not really. Thinking? Nope, none there either. Just keep clicking, get more stuff. Blah. BooooOooOORRriiiIIiInNnG!!!!!

So. I wouldnt call it a must have. The truth is anyone can play it, and anyone can make a good character, they just have to have a lot of free time and a mouse than can stand up to one thousand clicks.

Also, in Q3 or something, I use my keyboard AND my mouse. D2 is just constant clicking, since clicking once attacks, but you have to click lots of times in each monster to kill it, so....

Click click Click clack click click clickety click clack Click click Click clack click click clickety click clack Click click Click clack click click clickety click clack Click click Click clack click click clickety click clack Click click Click clack click click clickety click clack Click click Click clack click click clickety click clack Click click Click clack click click clickety click clack Click click Click clack click click clickety click clack Click click Click clack click click clickety click clack Click click Click clack click click clickety click clack your way over to the store if you want this game. I don't.

Ca$h

[ShortcutToMoncton]

There's no point arguing, since he won't get it anyway.

ANYONE can build a character? That's right, they can. I'll bet you I'll kick their ass if they get to my lvl, though....my bro has already restarted twice because he didn't get what he wanted. It's not the character, as I said before...it's the shaping of the character to get exactly what you want to do.

Plus, the game is engaging. None of this 5-minute stuff. It requires patience, and actually lets you sit and play and ACCOMPLISH something.

greg

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[Ruddigger]

Ca$h, I normally tend to agree with you, but not on this. Diablo II id great because it's so simple. How many games assign a different key command to do different actions, arrow keys to move, spacebar to open doors, control-click to attack etc. In Diablo II you can do all of these things by simply clicking. It results in more clicking, but less time looking for keys. Starcraft's the same way, click to move, attack, build etc.

The character is what makes the game difficult though. I have a lvl 32 Necromancer, and a lvl 27 barbarian. my Barb just got his ass kicked by a lvl 20 paladin. Why? Because that guy made their character better, assigning skills in certain places.

Sorry Ca$h diablo kicks ass.
(Battle.net name=Ruddigger)

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[Cipher13]

Ok, lemme put it this way.
UT and Q3A and the like, even games like TA and C&C and so on, are so much more immersive...
I mean, you can get so much into the game. In D2 and others like that, you just can't really...
Its... something I can't really explain that well.
I won't even bother... we all have our opinions.
And in mine, its pretty damn crap...
I'll stick with UT for the moment.

Cipher13

[cashsixty8]

>click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click <

HOORAY! one monster is dead. Only 60 more in this room!

>click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click ......< etc.

Build your character?!?! Come on. Its clicking like you're on speed til you get enough gold to purchase the shield of doom. WOoOOO! Or killing something and finding a firestaff. OOooOoooooO. The point is, I could be a mentally retarded kid, and if I played this game for a week straight, I would have a kickass character.

Why?

Because I clicked more.

Ca$h

[The Dude]

Well how a bout I put it this way ca$h, in ALL games you have to click.

And in the game which you so admire and defend, UT, you ALSO have to click a lot to shoot depending on your setup. So what if this game requires a lot of clicking. I know that I do a lot of it when I play UT and Q3.

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"I drank what?"

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[Rivak]

>click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click <

HOORAY! one monster is dead. Only 60 more in this room!

actually if you click once and hold on a monster you will attack that monster until it is dead..

[cashsixty8]

You guys didnt retort much on my other digs about this game. How it requires no skill, etc.

Ca$h

No skill? Are you kidding me? If you don't carefully plan how you build your character, choose armor, save money, etc, you won't survive. Diablo got critiqued because it was too short. Now, D2 is huge, very expansive, fun to explore and find new items, and you complain. What exactly DO you like? If you don't like the game, fine. Don't buy it. But don't come here and whine about it. Jeez.

Dave

[Jsnuff1]

wait am i missing something, i thought all u did in games IS click click click click click and get chased by monsters(in my case i kill the monsters) and the fact that the game is huge is what makes it fun, there no point in a game when you play it for an hour and win, fine some people like you might get an ego boost, but a game like diablo is actually challening and takes some time to beat, thats whats fun. oh andd what this about Starcraft 2???

[mac freak]

I LOVE D2...

Diablo 1 was awesome, and Diablo II just builds upon D1 and makes it better. It's an EVOLUTION not a REVOLUTION.

And I dare anyone here to take on my 1,200 dmg dual-wield lvl 54 barb.

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[mac freak]

Oh, and geez, no skill? Sure, normal difficulty is easy as hell for most people...

Wait until Hell difficulty... MUCH more of a challenge! One must do a lot of thinking when assaulting, for example, a unique fetish shaman constantly shooting out 30 bolts of 100 damage lightning that has 6 minions, all shooting 600 damage continuous streams of piercing fire at you. Ouch. Not to mention all the lesser fetishes around shooting you with blow guns and the ones next to you ramming you with spears and knives the size of their bodies.

And then of course there's Diablo, who, on hell difficulty, will kill you in less than a second with the pink firey lightning thing... assuming you have less than 1000 HP (which most people do... my barb has 632).

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[ShortcutToMoncton]

Ya, that's right...it's such an immersive game with so many aspects.

For example, I discovered something about my lvl 36 Necro yesterday - he's not good in duels...in fact, he sucks. I don't have a good "killing" weapon - my Bone Spirit only does a little over 100 dmg. Instead, he excels in actual monster combat, where my 15 revived monsters and awesome fire golem can clean everyone out without me actually having to do much besides damage-enhancing spells.

See...???? It's very complex. A character created by a certain type of player (in my case, mostly single-playing ***** style... ) will often be almost useless when used by someone else, or when used in different situations. It's very, very difficult to make one that is well-balanced - usually they are almost always lacking in at least one area....

greg

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[ShortcutToMoncton]

...besides, the "click" argument that Ca$h brings up is just so useless. So, you have to click...yeah?????? WHat do you do every time you shoot in Quake or UT???? It's an inane comment - you're complaining about the controls of the game, but you haven't played it enough to know that this implementation is perfect because it simplifies the amount of work needed to get the maximum effect. (What controls would YOU rather, then???)

The "reflexes" retort about first-person shooters almost made me laugh. I'm sure you're very proud of your great mouse skills and awesome hand-eye coordination, combined with that excellent peripheral vision...dude. You must be a shining example of the "console generation".....


greg

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Amen.

Dave

[ShortcutToMoncton]

C'mon, shout it out lad!!!! AMEN, DAVID, AMEN!!!!!



greg

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PREACH ON!!

: )

Dave

[MoBius]

Ca$h seriously, if you think their is alot of clicking in diablo 2 your stupid. Anything you do on a computer requires clicking. Diablo 2 takes skill because it depends how you build your character what spells you pick that will decide what you do later in the game to win and beat diablo.

[cashsixty8]

Uh, yeah, I can come on here and gripe about it. Why? In another topic people asked what games to get, and a few people kept saying that D2is the greatest game ever. I disagree, so I made this topic to express why I DISLIKE this game. If you have a problem with it, suck my wang, because I can legally post my opinion.

Anyway, yes, you click in all games. However, like I was saying before, ALL you do is click in D2. You dont even use the keyboard to move. To me, D2 seems like the equivelant of a one button mouse. A game for people lacking uh... dexterity...um..intelligence..uh.. heh. Not trying to get you upset, but I find it EXTREMELY boring that all you do is roam around on little quests and click click click click click on everything. In games like Quake 3 and UT, you have to move, jump, react, yadda yadda. In D2...well..uh.. you click... and click some more...and click yet even more.... plus throw in the fact that all the levels look the same... blech.

Note: I will say that I didnt like Diablo ONE much either, so ...

Anyway, I'm just saying that this type of game isnt for everyone. I never really liked warcraft either.

As for assinging skills. yes. If you are a complete retard and put all your skills into one catergory you will die. But really, who the hell would do that?!?! Its not that hard of a game. Give me the best Diablo 2 PLAYER (note, not character) VS the best Quake3 player, put them next to each other playing diablo 2, in a week you wont see THAT big of a difference. They both kill a bunch of things, get armour, get skill points, yadda yadda.

HOWEVER, put them in a Q3 deathmatch, and the D2 player will get his ass completely spanked.

Ca$h

[The Dude]

This topic will never reach an end. Ca$h won't budge and we just keep posting. It's a fruitless arguement.

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[Jsnuff1]

cash if u hate d2 so much then why the hell u even bother playin Q3 or UT, those games are gonna bore you even more than diablo, at least in D2 there is some stradagy involved. going around and fragging people dosent sound like it require any brainpower, and dont tell me capture the flag or assault requires any stradagy.

I love this little quibbling over this topic. Quibble, now THERE'S a good word. Everyone say it on three: 1...2....3: QUIBBLE!

Whoa, that was great.

Dave
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[cashsixty8]

I'd have to say Capture the Flag requires a lot more skill than D2. You need reaction time, accuracy, and strategy.

Ca$h

[Cipher13]

Originally posted by ShortcutToMoncton:
Ya, that's right...it's such an immersive game with so many aspects.

For example, I discovered something about my lvl 36 Necro yesterday - he's not good in duels...in fact, he sucks. I don't have a good "killing" weapon - my Bone Spirit only does a little over 100 dmg. Instead, he excels in actual monster combat, where my 15 revived monsters and awesome fire golem can clean everyone out without me actually having to do much besides damage-enhancing spells.

See...???? It's very complex. A character created by a certain type of player (in my case, mostly single-playing ***** style... ) will often be almost useless when used by someone else, or when used in different situations. It's very, very difficult to make one that is well-balanced - usually they are almost always lacking in at least one area....

greg

Hm... so rather then even fight, you just revive things and let them fight for you?
OH WHAT FUN!!!

Cipher13

[Cipher13]

Originally posted by mac freak:
Oh, and geez, no skill? Sure, normal difficulty is easy as hell for most people...

Wait until Hell difficulty... MUCH more of a challenge! One must do a lot of thinking when assaulting, for example, a unique fetish shaman constantly shooting out 30 bolts of 100 damage lightning that has 6 minions, all shooting 600 damage continuous streams of piercing fire at you. Ouch. Not to mention all the lesser fetishes around shooting you with blow guns and the ones next to you ramming you with spears and knives the size of their bodies.

And then of course there's Diablo, who, on hell difficulty, will kill you in less than a second with the pink firey lightning thing... assuming you have less than 1000 HP (which most people do... my barb has 632).

Hm... so, as opposed to UT and Q3A where the enemies AI are enhanced, not to mention accuracy, in D2 they just make more monsters, that do more damage, faster.
Wow... thats great, really.
He can kill you in less than a second eh? Well, whats the point then?
You can't exactly DODGE his attacks or anything can you?
Do you just stand there and take it or what?
Bloody hell... POS game.
"Hey! Lets make a harder difficulty! Lets make it SUPER DUPER ULTRA HELL DIFFICULTY! For example, how about this for a fight: 'A unique fetish shaman constantly shooting out 30000 bolts of 100000 damage lightning that has 975 minions, all shooting 7531 damage continuous streams of piercing fire at you.'"
Yeah, good work.

Cipher13

[This message has been edited by Cipher13 (edited 11-25-2000).]

[ShortcutToMoncton]

Again, both of you are blabbing about what you have no idea about.

"Enemy AI" = no big deal. Ya...the enemies are programmed to jump out of the way when you shoot at them, and attack in preset formations. It's all a joke. Diablo has AI as well - some monsters run away when you hit them and then attack again when you stop, while monsters that can resurrect underlings or have "ranged" attacks usually stay in the rear of the fighting so they can't be immediately killed. All in all, it's just some good programming on the part of the creators of the game. As well, AI is a bigger joke in UT or QuakeIII, since they were designed (and are more fun) to be played against live opponents.

Note that DiabloIII has random worlds = MUCH better replayability.

And yes, the thing about Diablo is that it has characters - they all have different styles of fighting. The necro raises golems and monsters to do the grunt work or help him fight. That's his style. Others differ.

You can dodge, run away, or divert Diablo's (or any character's) attacks. You're just proving that you know absolutely nothing about the game. Why bash it when you haven't even played it???? That is tremendously stupid of you, Cipher.

I own Marathon I AND II, Quake I AND II AND III, Unreal AND UT, Myth I AND II, A-19 Attack!, Falcon 4.0....I have tons of games collected over the years. They all have their strangths and weaknesses.

In the end, if I had to pick one game to play for a couple months, it would be DiabloII. It has a level of immersiveness that I just don't get out of first-person games...it takes time.

In my mind, that's a good thing.

greg




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[cashsixty8]

Please explain how the AI is better in D2 than in UT. I'm not getting it. Also please explain how your character depth, or whatever, is different and/or better than the character development in Deus Ex, or how the different fighting styles are superior to a game like Counterstrike or something.

I just don't get it. No matter how much you add to it, its still just boils down to hit the mole with the big foam mallet.

>click<>click<> click<>click<>click&am p;lt;>click<>click<&am p;gt;click<>click<>cli ck<>click<>click&l t;>click<>click&l t;>click<>click<&g t;click<>click<>click& amp;lt;

Ca$h

This is a useless argument. No one will budge, even if they were slapped in the face with logical, sound arguments. D2 is fun in my opinion, not fun in others'. Big deal. You say potahto, I say potato.

Just for the record, I have no idea how to spell "potahto," nor have I ever heard ANYONE say that. Oh well.

Dave
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"Thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ."
- I Corinthians 15:57

[mac freak]

He can kill you in less than a second eh? Well, whats the point then?
You can't exactly DODGE his attacks or anything can you?

OF COURSE you can DODGE his attacks. THAT IS THE POINT. However, if you DON'T, they will kill you very quickly. Judging by how you describe the game, you would probably just stand there and get killed 30 times over and the whole time wonder "WTF??? What am I doing wrong?" and say "oh, it was LAG, not MY fault."

'A unique fetish shaman constantly shooting out 30000 bolts of 100000 damage lightning that has 975 minions, all shooting 7531 damage continuous streams of piercing fire at you.'"

Mocking me isn't going to accomplish anything..


Oh, and how come you agree with Ca$h in every post you make? I have never once seen you disagree or argue with him in all the threads I've read...
Scared? I hope not.


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[cashsixty8]

Its because Cipher is cool, and realizes D2 isnt the greatest.

Ca$h

gah, I need my member password, ahh, I cant wait I'll post anyways, ok, this is the deal:

what Ive realised, after buying diablo 2 in beginning of septemebr, got sick in 3 weeks playing it day in day out, is that it acctually, it isnt such a great game I first thought.
I meen look at it, u just walk around find items, no form of 3d view or skill while fighting, u dont get the adventure feeling u get in so many other games, the only thing thats fun is killing the bosses, and once in a month u might find a unique, the dissapointment of it stood clear, I didnt want a diablo 1 expansion, I wanted a new, refeshing game, its not revolution, nor evolution, its equalution(with diablo 1)
I have a lvl 56 necro, I got it in those 3 weeks, in 3 weeks man! is that what u call hard, Ive already finished diablo on nightmare and Ill soon finish him in hell(if Ill ever play it again)
unreal, quake3, rainbow 6, all those games beats it with miles, and starcraft, its just wonderful!
Ive been playing strategy games since I was 8(Im 13 now) and I know good games when I c them, diablo 2 is a game for the diablo 1 fans, and thats it, if u have loads of money, it might be worth buying though, cause the first month, I(and many of u) thought it was the greatest game ever made...

Im on cashs side...

[Cipher13]

Originally posted by ShortcutToMoncton:
You can dodge, run away, or divert Diablo's (or any character's) attacks. You're just proving that you know absolutely nothing about the game. Why bash it when you haven't even played it???? That is tremendously stupid of you, Cipher.

I got. I installed. I played. I almost fell asleep. I deleted.

Cipher13

[Cipher13]

Originally posted by DaveSaint:
This is a useless argument. No one will budge, even if they were slapped in the face with logical, sound arguments. D2 is fun in my opinion, not fun in others'. Big deal. You say potahto, I say potato.

Just for the record, I have no idea how to spell "potahto," nor have I ever heard ANYONE say that. Oh well.

Dave
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"Thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ."
- I Corinthians 15:57

IDEA: How about posting something USEFUL in this thread?
"Amen!"
"Preach on!"
Yeah, rake up the posts.
These forums are designed for people to voice their opinions, and yeah, that means COMPLAINING.
And by the way, its pot-ay-toe. Pronunciation, that is.

Cipher13

[Cipher13]

Originally posted by mac freak:
Mocking me isn't going to accomplish anything..

Oh, and how come you agree with Ca$h in every post you make? I have never once seen you disagree or argue with him in all the threads I've read...
Scared? I hope not.

Well, it won't hurt either then, so what does it matter?
How DARE you incinuate that I am afraid of Ca$h.
Obviously you have no f*cki*n idea what you are on about, as I have had my fair share of fights and arguments with Ca$h.
Look back through the archives.
It just so happens that I tend to agree with him a lot - great minds think alike
I personally believe D2 is sh!t.
UT is better than Q3A.
Its just the way it is.
If Ca$h posts something I don't agree with, then by God I will dispute it.
Whatever possessed you to say that anyway?
Why in HELL would I be scared of him?
I have no reason to be, and even if I did, I live, what, over TEN THOUSAND KILOMETERS AWAY FROM HIM.
Hell, for all you know I could be some gun nut just released from jail or something. Don't assume that you know me... you do not.
Just goes to show, you must be very selective in what you read around here. Just off the top of my head, I can think of 3 topics in which Ca$h and I argued. That is, selective, or just plain stupid. Take your pick.

Cipher13

[This message has been edited by Cipher13 (edited 11-26-2000).]

Originally posted by Cipher13:
IDEA: How about posting something USEFUL in this thread?
"Amen!"
"Preach on!"
Yeah, rake up the posts.
These forums are designed for people to voice their opinions, and yeah, that means COMPLAINING.
And by the way, its pot-ay-toe. Pronunciation, that is.

Cipher13

Racking up the posts? Are you kidding me? I have--and do--post useful information. And, like you said, this forum is for people to post their opinions, and that means complaining, AS WELL AS agreement. By my saying "Amen" or "Preach on!" in response to the posts preceding mine, I am practicing the same right you are so vehement about. The only difference is I didn't say "Hell yeah!" or use cuss words. There are many forms of agreement, and that is one of them.

I KNOW how to pronounce potato, I don't need a lesson in diction.
That is just a very old saying, representing how people's opinion differs from other's.

Why don't you post something useful in this post instead of using circular, illogical reasoning about why you dislike Diablo 2, which is the issue here anyway, not whether or not I am quote, " 'Racking up the posts.' "

When I read that I almost burst out laughing.

Anyway, back to the ACTUAL ISSUE.

Dave

[Jsnuff1]

cipher and ca$h, you two seem to be the only ones agruing in this forum that diablo 2 sucks, so just drop it.

[cashsixty8]

Why should i drop it? I'm not trying to convince anyone who likes Diablo 2 to not like it. That would be stupid, and as hard as trying to convince someone that a Honda Civic isn't the fastest car on earth either.

THe point is, D2 is repetative, almost exactly like the first game, requires no skill, only time, and is boring. TO ME. And to Cipher. ANd to quite a few other people who don't post here.

SO. If you dont know what game you want, READ THIS THREAD, and decide if you want a crappy game like D2 or a cool game like Deus Ex.

Ca$h

[Cipher13]

Originally posted by DaveSaint:
Racking up the posts? Are you kidding me? I have--and do--post useful information. And, like you said, this forum is for people to post their opinions, and that means complaining, AS WELL AS agreement. By my saying "Amen" or "Preach on!" in response to the posts preceding mine, I am practicing the same right you are so vehement about. The only difference is I didn't say "Hell yeah!" or use cuss words. There are many forms of agreement, and that is one of them.

I KNOW how to pronounce potato, I don't need a lesson in diction.
That is just a very old saying, representing how people's opinion differs from other's.

Why don't you post something useful in this post instead of using circular, illogical reasoning about why you dislike Diablo 2, which is the issue here anyway, not whether or not I am quote, " 'Racking up the posts.' "

When I read that I almost burst out laughing.

Anyway, back to the ACTUAL ISSUE.

Dave

Its just a very old saying eh?

Why don't I post something useful? As opposed to your statements I guess...
So, "Preach on!" is more 'useful' than my posts here is it?
I see...
Now, please explain to me how my reasoning is circular, and, illogical???
Go on, I'm waiting...
Why would I drop the issue? If I should, why don't YOU?

Cipher13

[This message has been edited by Misha (edited 11-27-2000).]

[blizzard]

Is anyone else starting to think that there may be something to those rumours that playing video games makes you more aggressive?

Everyone play nice. Using exclamation marks and stars in the place of vowels only works for so long before it gets tedious to read, post after post. Remember, it IS possible to articulate what you are trying to say without swearing (or pseudo-swearing).

For those who are arguing that this topic is pointless: it is not. Everyone has the right to an opinion. For those who are arguing that D2 sucks: the level of opposition you are encountering seems to me to be pointing out that the game may not be as bad as you say it is. Not passing judgement here, but just something for you to keep in mind. You have every right to argue the point.

Let's just all do it nicely.

Blizzard.

Originally posted by Cipher13:
Its just a very old saying eh?
NO FU*KCING SH*T SHERLOCK.
Why don't I post something useful? As opposed to your statements I guess...
So, "Preach on!" is more 'useful' than my posts here is it?
I see...
Now, please explain to me how my reasoning is circular, and, illogical???
Go on, I'm waiting...
Why the **** would I drop the issue? If I should, why the hell don't YOU?

Cipher13

Well, while you're waiting.........

Okay, you want to know why I think that your arguments are illogical right? (I'll try to refrain from any abusive and profane language in this post, since that simply shows a pathetic level of education and lack of vocabulary.)

Okay. Illogical.

Let's start with your first post when you say you played the game for an hour and then you died. Then you gave up. Well, Diablo 2 is FAR too immersive to play for an hour and then quit. That in itself is illogical. You don't even get to the fun stuff untill the end.

And, you probably played single-player, which is not as fun as the cooperative spirit in multiplayer. It's a whole new level.

Then you talk about AI. The AI in Diablo 2 is pretty good. Ranged warriors stay in the rear, while melee baddies stay up front. Monsters that raise others stay in the rear as well, wearing you down with their minions.

I don't know if you brought up the "click" argument, but that is the most ridiculous argument I have ever heard. I'll let you figure that one out on your own, if, like I said, you brought that one up.

And circular. You and Ca$h simply bring up the same points over and over again. You are just using symantics. (Do you know what that means?)

You said you'd stick to UT, which I think is a very fun game as well. It has a lot more replay value than D2, since after I beat D2 on Hell it became boring very fast. I'm waiting for the Expansion Pack, but I probably won't play it agian until then.

But UT doesn't require as much brains as D2 (though D2 doesn't require much either). You don't have to build your character in UT for later on in the game, like in D2. Where you place your skill points is critical in D2 to survive in the later stages of the game.

Now, you are not going to get anywhere by cussing and yelling. That simply shows your immaturity and lack of self-control. And it also in a way shows illogical arguments because I can't understand you through all that garbled language. The English language is beautiful, man, use more of it!

I tried not to insult you, I tried to just address the issue, but you instigated this first. I am not going to post anymore in this thread, because jerks like you ruin it for everyone, including me.

See ya,

Dave

[Ruddigger]

Dave kinda touches on a very good point. Story. Some people like a little more story then what Unreal Tournament has to offer. I don't like games with way too much story, and I don't like games where you just run around killing people just to kill them.

Unreal Tournament-------Basically no storyline
Diablo II----------------------Storyline
Deus Ex----------------------WAY too much story.

Diablo II is a nice middle ground.

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Have you had your
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[cashsixty8]

I really dispise people who put others down by trying to seem all intellectual. Reminds me of the people on AOL who say "Yeah, dat was a good one! Awesome insults man!"

Ack. I still have very valid points, you just refuse to look at them.

1. The clicking. It literally IS the hitting the mole with the mallet. It requires NO skill. Hand eye coordination required for that game is about as hard to play as using Mac OS. Want to move to the left? Oh. move the mouse to the left. Want to move to the right? yep. Move mouse to right. Attack? Click. Pickup? Click.

HOW PATHETIC. You think they'd designed this game for 12 yr old mentally handicapped kids who can only move ther tongue or something. While, I'm on the subject, I think i HAVE seen electric wheelchairs that have a more complicated controls than Diablo2.

2. Skill, or lack there of. Sorry. It requires NONE. I've played a little of it, and found it extremely boring. All you do is run around and kill things and get more points and levels so you can kill more. >yawn< If you start out with a level 50 character and play someone who also has a level 50 character, its about even. I really don't see how "playing it longer"= skill.

3. Storyline. Uh. Let's put it this way. If Diablo 2 was a movie, it would have stayed in the theater for.... wait... no... it would have never been in the theater, it would have been released directly to VHS.

It is my opinion, along with other peoples, that this game is boring. Take a ****ing clue and leave it alone. Thats MY opinion. Have a different one? Great! Good for you! What do you want, a cookie?! Start your own thread. All I'm saying is that this game does NOT make everyone happy, so don't automatically assume everyone will like it. I'd rather play JumpCopter or something.

Ca$h

[This message has been edited by Misha (edited 11-27-2000).]

I know I said I wouldn't post in this thread anymore, but this is just too much fun. However, a little bit after I posted that last one to Cipher, I went upstairs, looked at myself in the mirror, and I asked myself this little question: What EXACTLY am I doing here, on this forum, replying to these people, arguing over COMPUTER GAMES????

I don't mean to piss everyone off, but this is very sad. I'm not going to be a part of this anymore. I joined this because I thought that I could help out others, and they could in turn help me. But, that is not the case. Look around. Everyone is arguing over COMPUTER GAMES!!! Does anyone realize how sad and pathetic this is?

I'm sure ya'll will miss me. *yeah right* :-)

Oh yeah, and Ca$h. Just because you don't know what some words mean doesn't mean that you have to get angry about it and start slinging mud. "Dat was an awesome insult about ED, man."

I will see ya'll.

Merry Christmas, Happy Hanakah, Happy Kwanzaa, and any other religious holiday I forgot.

Dave.

PS- Just wanted to say to Cipher and Ca$h that I apologize if I came across as a jerk. Hope you guys can forgive me. If not, I understand. No hard feelings. See ya later.

[This message has been edited by DaveSaint (edited 11-26-2000).]

[Rivak]

Everyone has the right to an opinion.

my opinion is that you all should go out to wal mart or something, get a gun, and shoot yourselves. it will save me the trouble.

D2 sucks. Myth2 is far superior [albeit a bit old], at least it was based on strategy and not building levels and finding a “rare morning star of horrifyingly gruesome killingness” that you’ll use for 10 minutes and then sell for something better. In Myth you were stuck with the units you got, and you had to make every one count. You have to plan your attacks and use the terrain to your advantage and blah blah blah

The sad thing is that you can still make this argument. I remember arguing this about 2 years ago when someone said starcraft had more strategy than M2 [I think both games have their strengths and weaknesses but whatever].

D2 should have been out like 3 years ago. It probably would have been good then [we might have been dumber then, who knows] but it isn’t now.

I’m sure we’ve all seen the commercials for it on tv right? Notice how they never actually show any gameplay? They only show the cut scenes. Hmmm…

[Ruddigger]

Myth 2 is far superior to Diablo 2. But, thats not what's being discussed. Nobody said Diablo 2 is the best game to ever hit store shelves since Myst. Just that they liked it for one reason or another.

Personally, I haven't touched Myth 2 in quite some time, but that's due more to the Microsoft sell-out thing then to Diablo...

Oh, and can you buy handguns at Wall•Mart?


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Have you had your
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