Yeah Baby ....

we will once again reign supreme in the gaming market!!!!!

Good job Steve and nVidia!!!!

But, dawaves....we still won't have CounterStrike!

Ahmen brother. a bit pricy for my taste but what I am waiting for is 64mb Radeon. The Geforce 3 doesn't have video out!?!? not shure but it will kick ass and so it should for $600

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what are the specs of the geforce 3?

"blizzard"....WORD UP!!! CS l20X0l25!!!!

so whats the point right in getting a Geforce 3 card....

Oh well....must wait for Half-Life 2 i guess....

Must be patient, must hold on and BELIEVE!!!!

well its $350 as a BTO at the apple store. not $600. 64 megs of DDR ram.. cant remember the rest !!

can imagine we'll see the 64meg raedon for mac in a hurry.... Nvidia seem to be steves new buddies.. hehe

I think I am going to cry. I am so happy. I love nvidia.

I just wish SIERRA would get their heads out of their A$$3$ and join the ride!!!

I'm really happy about this. In my opinion, this was the #1 thing lacking from the Mac, and now we have it...

Here's my question: What does it mean to be coming out "first" for the Mac? Are they delaying the PC card? Because from what I've heard the PC version is coming out in a couple of weeks...

JL!

Its 350 for BTO or 600 (in acesories other0 if you want to just get the card not a whole computer with the card Wasapnin

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$600!!!! WHAT THE FU{K!!!!

WHAT THE FU{K!!!!

I could buy a whole computer for that! What a damn rip-off. Even the BTO is $450....it's nice this is available for Macs but at prices like that, it's more of a "figurehead" video card. The PC version probably costs $200 retail and comes standard on $1500 Wintel boxes.

For $450 BTO, this card had better deliver an awful lot of performance. I'd expect nothing less than free oral sex during OS start-up sequence...

I'm sure someone is going to call me a whiner; go ahead but I don't think anyone who could spend that much money on a gaming video card would have the TIME for gaming, because they would always be working to get themselves out of debt.

PS: I checked Apple Store and BTO was $450: http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPL...3.3.1.1.0?47,9


[This message has been edited by Phaedrus (edited 02-22-2001).]

Phaedrus, you're way out of line.

As far as the PC cost goes, a PC-using friend of mine who knows nVIDIA's stuff well said that their highest-end cards (which this is) usually go from anywhere around $450 - $600. So that's not really that shocking.

Plus, the $600 is the retail price, not the actual price you'll see it at when you go to CompUSA. You'll probably see it for $550, or even $500 on a really good bargain day. Also, one thing about nVIDIA's cards is that they introduce new stuff so often that their prices drop quickly before the next ones start to come out. So in a month or two you may be able to get that same card for $400 or $300. Who knows?

Also, you're partially wrong about the price on Apple's site. The price of the card depends on the configuration you choose. If you choose a higher-end G4, The BTO price is $350. I was just there and saw it myself. You were looking at a lower configuration (read, MHz) G4 and thus got the higher $450 price tag. They're just offsetting the cost into the machines profit margins. Common practice.

JL!

Yeah, I checked the Apple store and discovered Apple's not-so-clever ruse. Slippery marketing department....but I guess it makes sense since only the Rage 128 comes with the low end mac. Pretty lame feature set for an $1800 computer but that's another topic.

As for the retail price, I suppose we will have to wait and see if your optimism pans out. I seriously doubt that the PC version will cost nearly as much as the mac version....the PC Radeon is nearly $100 cheaper than the Mac Radeon at the Chump USA in my area.

Anyways, if you can't handle dissent then thicken up your skin. This is a discussion board and all opinions on macs are acceptable, even if some are wrong. If you disagree then say so, but don't bitch at me like you're my parents or something with this "your out of line" bull.

WTF?
That'll convert to a good $1500 Aus... FOR A VIDEO CARD
**** that.

Cipher13

So who's going to be the first real gamer to post FPS stats for the new Geforce 3? We've gotta have stats.

Of course it's gonna be awhile since the card is not available till sometime in March.

A $600 US card, let's see, that's $900 CDN.

This card should could kick some major butt - and get some serious attention for Apple. I can't wait to watch the MacWorld Tokyo webcast (when??!!)

I broke out in a sweat just reading the specs on this card!

Woo Hoooo!

[This message has been edited by osiris (edited 02-22-2001).]

Keep in mind that NVidia is only an OEM supplier. There will be no retail verison of this card (for AGP2x or PCI e.g.) unless Apple decides to make them available (or unless another graphics card manufacturer wants to jump back into the Mac reatil market to compete with Apple and ATI , yeah right).

Bottomline is that Apple will maintain a high margin on this baby, we won't see any "street price" reductions on this baby IMO.

catman

High priced video card to go with the high priced towers, great I'm so happy I can hardly contain myself.

Mac tower prices suk! they are way to high for the mHz.
In the market for a new Mac system at this time one would want at least 600 mHz or more, I mean come on - for one it's a big investment and you want something with longevity, and higher mHz has more longevity. Two, PCs have reached 1.4 gHz and than # is prob going to go up during this next year. So it's not unreasonable to want at least a 600 mHz system. The problem is the damn prices, for that Apple is charging almost $3,000 just for the CPU. Ouch, I paid that for my first Mac back in 96, that was when 16 megs of ram cost $500.

I really think Apple needs to work on their tower prices, I can't see how anyone would look into a 466 mHz system at this time, that's just ancient, computers broke the gHz barrier last year. Am I seriously the only one who thinks the pricing/mHz of the current towers is terrible?

Who the hell can afford a the 667 mHz system for $3k (that's only the _mid_ range system!!), then add a $600 video card, speakers, and a monitor. Sheesh, you're looking at 4 grand. Yea, Mac gaming is going to do great! >(

Tom G3

Some info

http://www.apple.com/powermac/graphics.html

Originally posted by TomG3AKAMacguyver:
High priced video card to go with the high priced towers, great I'm so happy I can hardly contain myself.

Mac tower prices suk! they are way to high for the mHz.
In the market for a new Mac system at this time one would want at least 600 mHz or more, I mean come on - for one it's a big investment and you want something with longevity, and higher mHz has more longevity. Two, PCs have reached 1.4 gHz and than # is prob going to go up during this next year. So it's not unreasonable to want at least a 600 mHz system. The problem is the damn prices, for that Apple is charging almost $3,000 just for the CPU. Ouch, I paid that for my first Mac back in 96, that was when 16 megs of ram cost $500.

I really think Apple needs to work on their tower prices, I can't see how anyone would look into a 466 mHz system at this time, that's just ancient, computers broke the gHz barrier last year. Am I seriously the only one who thinks the pricing/mHz of the current towers is terrible?

Who the hell can afford a the 667 mHz system for $3k (that's only the _mid_ range system!!), then add a $600 video card, speakers, and a monitor. Sheesh, you're looking at 4 grand. Yea, Mac gaming is going to do great! >(

Tom G3

You're whining. Shut up. Mhz this, Mhz that. You sound like a child that didn't get the GI Joe with the Kung Foo grip for Christmas.

The Alpha has been 'stuck' under 1GHz too, and the chip itself is much more expensive than the whole Mac system.

--Mike

Lesse, what can I do with $600 instead of buying a video card...I can pay a month's rent (and rent is unbelievably expensive where I live) and bills; or I can pay about a fourth of my tuition; or I can buy food for about three months; or buy a second monitor (19" or a refurbished 21" Sony); or just SAVE it for when I really need to spend it.

I'm a needy college student who cannot afford such things but I know that there are many people out there who actually can afford it without thinking about the cost. Perhaps this is a lexury only such people are meant to have.

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Have any of you guys seen what the Gforce3 can do?! Oh my word, I just saw it on Realplayer, and it is freakin' amazing. You know what Blizzard's cut scenes look like for D2 and SC? Imagine that being the entire game. Absolutely AMAZING. The characters are so realisitc, the shadows are so realistic, the lighting is so realistic, and everything is DETAILED DETAILED DETAILED. Find a stream of the key note and be amazed! I may actually buy this even though it's so freakin' expensive.

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>> You sound like a child that didn't get the GI Joe with the Kung Foo grip for Christmas.

Whatever.

All I'm saying is $3000 for a mid range (600 mHz) system (just the CPU) is a bit outrageous. I guess you're happy about it, I certainly am not. I could never get myself to spend that much on a CPU only, for half that price on the PC side you get twice the mHz, a 3 piece speaker system and a good 17" monitor. Apple can go on with it's elitist pricing, but don't expect any record sales.


TG3

>> You sound like a child that didn't get the GI Joe with the Kung Foo grip for Christmas.

>Whatever.

Whatever. I think you get more than just a cpu for $3k. You also get all the other stuff (yet another DVD drive that you'll never use? . I think it is silly to say that you want another 600 MHz. Clock speed does of course matter to speed, regardless of what Mac zealots tell you, but chips with different clock speeds can have equal performance. I agree though that the Mac has fallen behind in performance.

I personally already have an external speaker set and a nice monitor and wouldn't consider buying either with a new computer. Whereas I would consider buying a new hard drive, graphics card, etc (all these things which you are just lumping in under "the cpu."

But that's just me. Mostly I buy Mac hardware for the MacOS.

Anyway, does anyone know whether you can use Apple's lcd flat panels with one of these new graphics cards? (Or are you stuck with the Radeon?)

Alright FPS stats already at http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/...orceannc.shtml

"How is the GeForce3's real-world performance, though? That question was answered during a product demonstration for journalist at Macworld Expo Tokyo. Scott Brodrick, Apple's product line manager for graphics and displays, showed a chart comparing the four graphic card options now available for the Mac. They are the ATI Rage 128 Pro (with 128 MB of SDRAM), the ATI Radeon (with 32 MB of DDR RAM), the GeForce2 MX (with 32 MB of SDRAM), and the GeForce3 (with 64 MB of DDR RAM).

Running Quake 3 Arena at 1280 x 1024 at 32 bits and with sound on saw the Rage 128 Pro delivering 10 frames per second and the Radeon 20 frames per second. The GeForce2 MX tallied 33 frames per second while the GeForce3 racked up 64 frames per second. "

of course they seem to leave alot of important info out, like which system is this on, what version of MacOS (probably 9.1), etc. But it gives some general idea of the speed.

By the way, tie, since Apple's making the cards, I'm sure the Geforce 3 has an ADC connector for all of Apple's displays. It probably has an ADC and a VGA connector like the rest of the cards.

For those continually complaining about megahertz and the Mac, PLEASE read up on the difference between RISC and CISC processors. Read up on it with the intention to LEARN, not just for arguments sake. This is not a blind reply to "negative" posts, just asking that people be informed before they complain.

Additionally, many graphics cards, particularly those with high fill rates and insane polygon rendering counts, are not built exclusively for the gaming market.

Many posts are claiming the card is too expensive not realizing that this card, yet to be released, is aimed at upgrading the standard expected from Apple Macintosh Workstations.
That's right, many creative professionals - Apple's continuously loyal and well paying user base- have been asking for more power from their machines for some time.

I think to want the card JUST for higher FPS is a bit short sighted.
Granted we all do what we want with our machines.
I just know that when I buy machinery at a premium -especially one with such a closed architecture- I expect two things
1) Uncompromised reliability
2) Class

I expect this from Apple, almost more so than from any computer vendor, and it is rare that they fail me in those regards.

I apologize for the long post, I for one am glad that OS X, sitting on a hybridized Unix-Mac OS foundation, using solid hardware, with style unmatched, is the hardware I will be using.

Not becuase it's from Apple, but becuase the Mac-OS is dependable and always has been.


-applecrazy@mac.com

does anyone know where to get a "low-cost DTV receiver" for the Mac, as mentioned in the nVIDIA press release found here:
http://www.nvidia.com/Pages.nsf/pages/pr_022201

Thanks in advance for your responses!

xTylerDurdenx, while you do have a good point, this IS a GAME FORUM, so naturally we're going to be looking at the Geforce from a GAME perspective. Besides we all know that half the gamers here are gonna try and get one...

I'm already thinking how great it'll make that Mac I'm going to buy this summer...

http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=...ad&pid=106#193

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We did a ton of testing the last two weeks while we were putting the demo together.

The 733 G4 was not as fast as my 1 ghz PIII in any of the trouble areas.

Apple is doing a lot of good work, but the CPU's just aren't as fast as the x86 ones.

AltiVec can compensate in some cases, because it is way, way easier to program for than SSE, but it takes a very simple batched, computation intensive task for it to pay off in any noticable way. Amdahls law and all that.

We did a couple functions with AltiVec, but they didn't make much difference.

Video encoding and large image processing are two areas that it can pay off, because you may be spending 90%+ of your time in one page of code.

Even then, it takes a special balance to let a G4 come out ahead, because it has less memory bandwidthd than a high end x86 system.

John Carmack
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Originally posted by Phaedrus:
$600!!!! WHAT THE FU{K!!!!

WHAT THE FU{K!!!!

I could buy a whole computer for that! What a damn rip-off. Even the BTO is $450....it's nice this is available for Macs but at prices like that, it's more of a "figurehead" video card. The PC version probably costs $200 retail and comes standard on $1500 Wintel boxes.

For $450 BTO, this card had better deliver an awful lot of performance. I'd expect nothing less than free oral sex during OS start-up sequence...

I'm sure someone is going to call me a whiner; go ahead but I don't think anyone who could spend that much money on a gaming video card would have the TIME for gaming, because they would always be working to get themselves out of debt.

PS: I checked Apple Store and BTO was $450: http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/Ap pleStore.woa/91/wo/fT2Gi1GkDOLtnmRCw5/13.3.0.3.29.13.1.0.13.3.1.1.0?47,9


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geforce2ultras cost 600$ on the pc. and pc's ship with that price but its always an geforce2mx that is way way cheaper and less less powerfull than geforce2gts.

oops: http://www.wininformant.com/Articles...rticleID=20095
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Contrary to Apple's claims, the Mac won't have the GeForce 3 first. Instead, the video card will be released on the PC and Mac simultaneously. But what's interesting about this new card is that it's the same video device that will be used in Microsoft's upcoming Xbox video game system. GeForce 3 cards will ship by the end of March, according to NVidia, and only Microsoft's DirectX 8 multimedia libraries will be able to take advantage of its new features right away. First on the Mac, indeed.
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for you guys complaining out there about the price, this thing is the most advanced gpu out there, hell its even better than the P4, dont get me wrong i dont like the price any more than you guys but i still think you get your money's worth

i only still have many doubt about geforce 3 going to be usable in appz like Maya and Lightwave