[Stevie]

I love my blueberry iMac, fantastic machine, superior OS and generally brilliant machine.

Problem is the serious lack of games, I already have most of the main games, but am still livid at the very real absence of HAlf Life for the Mac.

I have now started to acquire parts to build myself a PC (which incidently I hate!)

I almost feel as though I am letting myself down but I see no alternative and have started down the wrong road to the dark side!

Has anyone else trodden this vicious path?

[Elvin]

Actually I went the other way...Quake 3, UT, A vs. P, Alice, Giants, etc...all excellent games that are done better on a Mac. I thought I needed a PC for College, and after buying one and a semester of school..I found out the truth. You don't. I sold it and went Mac only. It's all just how the market makes you think. I made it through two years of College in a PC world, using a Mac. I think I was the only Mac user there in my computer section. I could complete all my homework and still be online fragging with the rest of them.

Now mind you, if games like Half-Life, and Tribes are what makes you a gamer, then yes, maybe a Mac isn't for you. Companies like Sierra don't want to take a chance on Apple yet, and besides...Macs are more than just gaming. So if you feel your neiche is on a PC, then that's where you should be leaning to.

[SteveJobs]

A lot of games on the pc are crap. Ok, if there was half life on the mac, I would probably buy it, but anyway, I do not think we miss so many big games. We have UT and Q3 and we have brillant members of almost every other genre!

Steve

[r-0X#Zapchud]

seriuosly, you aint spending money on a PC so that you can play Half-Life and then possibly CS?
comeon man, that game is OLD (1998) and it will most probably disappear when Halo arrives!

[SpeedRacer]

No offense directed to Elvin and SJ (b/c this is not addressed to you per se) but i'm quite tired of hearing the "pc games are crap" argument coming from the Mac environment. Fact is that most games that come to the Mac came out first on Windows, so to say that "PC games are crap" only says that we're all using recycled crap.

Now with OS X and the release of some non-ancient video cards for the Mac we have seen the promise of improved gaming for our market, but the fact of the matter is that AMD/Intel/Windows platform consistently outperforms the IBM/Moto/MacOS in complex 3D gaming, offers infinitely greater/cheaper hardware upgrades, and is considerably more saturated with game titles of all sorts (good and bad). To focus entirely on the bad titles rather than the great ones like 1/2 Life, Red Faction, Put-Your-Favorite-Sports-Title-Here is simply inaccurate and misleading to those who might just be getting into computer gaming.

If you're a true gamer who loves to have all the newest releases on your machine the day after they are released, sorry, but you're better off going with an AMD/Windows platform than Moto/MacOS. Until X's OpenGL actually performs better than OS 9/Windows, we have a comparable selection in Mac-Win, and we start seeing Apple invest a bit more than a 2 year old ATi Rage128 card in their consumer desktop line it's really that simple.

PS: I feel your pain Stevie. After 10 years with the Mac i'm also considering building my own AMD box, except moreso for the ability to take advantage of the ATi's new All-In-Wonder Radeon 8500 card. Has anyone else seen this thing?! Talk about a digital hub! The real Steve Jobs is seriously missing out by pushing ATi to get this hardware as a BTO option on current/future PMG4 boxes.

Speed

[ 11-29-2001: Message edited by: SpeedRacer ]

[Stevie]

I think speedracer has summed it up quite well. I have an iMac G3 350 and I really can't afford to go buying a G4 DP to run games how they should be, it is a hell of a lot cheaper for me to build myself an AMD Athlon 1.2ghz PC witha 64MB Graphics chip, in fact its only gonna cost me around £350!

[Elvin]

Good post SpeedRacer, and by no means are we getting recycled games either. Look at Alice..when Aspyr got the rights to do the port, not only did they get a less buggy version, but they upped the resolution on all the movies over the PC version. Way to go Aspyr!

It's been a while since we've had a made-on-the-Mac-First game...probably way back in the Marathon days (kinda funny that a Mac game flopped on the PC, yet it was the best any platform had to offer). But I don't really mind.

It only bugs me when Apple spends the time to get the GeForce3 out on the Mac first (announcement wise..it was really released in real life on the PC first) and herralds OS X to be built on OpenGL and how amazing it is, yet PCers get double the frame rates in games like Quake.

[blizzard]

You're not the only one. Many times I've wanted a PC for the games...but I always evaluate what I do with computers and the simple truth is that gaming is not that high on my list. I think my Power Mac is a heck of a lot better for the work that I want to do, so I keep it. I play some games on it too, and its performance in that area keeps me happy too.

Many times I've thought the ideal solution would be a desktop PC for games and a Mac laptop for work/fun. But that costs too much money. It's just a question of satisfying as many of my wants as possible, and the Power Mac does that for me.

[typoon]

There are a lot of great games for the Mac. Yes games like Halflife and Tribes are not yet for the Mac. Maybe Aspyr or Westlake would port it if there was enough interest. I remember sometime ago someone was talking about Tribes 2 for Mac. I wonder what ever became of that.

Alice, and the many other games that are out for the Mac are either better or just as good on the Mac.

Speaking of Great Games for the Mac The wonderful folks at Blizzard came out with the Patch for Starcraft and Brood War for OS X. One less game I need to use classic for.

[ckae]

I built a PC for gaming, and to be honest I hardly ever
play games on it. Turns out that it is a useful thing
to have around as a Web developer, so it wasn't a
total waste, but I'd have to agree that most PC
games ARE crap. Half-Life was fun though.

Honestly, I think the very best route for gaming
right now is to buy a Dreamcast. They are like $50
now and have an AWESOME library of games, including
a lot of free emulators you can download from the net.
And <ahem> other things if you are so inclinded.

IMHO, DC is the best gaming system available, bar none.

[Tristrami]

I think the point made about PC games being crap isn't true either. The games that become available for Mac are pretty excellent. Of course they were PC games first, but the PC market acts like a quality-control mechanism for the Mac Gamer...for the most part, only really good (or very popular) gmaes get ported, so we get a smaller selection, but the quality is much, much higher. So as a mac gamer, I'm quite satisfied.

[xyber233]

Dont worry. Hopefully with the next batch of new iMacs and possibly G5 towers, we should have this game thing under control .
With Mac OS X, all the good ports are coming to Mac. Anyways, we are getting Halo, Max Payne, RTCW, and much more.

[ 11-29-2001: Message edited by: xyber233 ]

[Elvin]

I'm just worried about things like the 'rumour' that Deus Ex 2 will be Direct X only. I'm sure there are ways around it...but frankly I would lothe Microsoft all that more if my favouite game couldn't be ported to the Mac

[r-0X#Zapchud]

Giants: Citizen Kabuto was Direct3D only, but OmniGroup converted the whole thing to OpenGL!

I have to diagree to all who's saying the OS X open gl layer is slower than OS 9!
It simply isnt, Quake 3 shows this very well!
And not only is it faster, it is 10x more beautiful and much less buggy!
And if the mac is so incredible slow, explain why a 1,4 GHz athlon with RADEON8500 and a shitload of DDR RAM got only 250 fps in Q3 and a 533Mhz DP G4 with SD RAM and GF3 with a better-looking config got 241fps!

[a2daj]

I think some of you take the whole "pc games are crap" argument out of context. What most people mean by that is that a number of the games that come out for PCs are crap. They're not saying ALL PC games are crap, which some of you seem to assume. The ports that we get are usually of the 'higher quality/a-list' games, as Tristrami pointed out.

And OS X OpenGL... yet another implementation of OpenGL that is geared toward Quake 3. Since Quake 3 is often used as a benchmark, the subset of OpenGL commands Quake 3 uses gets the most attention. There are other parts of OpenGL that are broken or less optimized on both OS 9 and OS X.

[blizzard]

r-0X#Zapchud, could you post the url to those results? I don't know where you got them but they don't look right at all.

[Sarc]

Granted, PC's get games earlier. Granted, they serve us as a quaility control. This that are annoying, they get many games we don't and that economically would be profitable to bring them to the Mac, I'm talking here about Tom Calncy's Ghost Recon, Operation Flashpoint, and of course the well known Half-Life, in the letter one they really ****ed up with the porting house, I mean the port was so bad it was cancelled because it didn't pass quality checks.
Sport games are another thing that annoys me, FIFA, Madden, NHL, NBA, etc. They mostly come from EA.
We could go on like this for ever, Tribes 2, Soldier of Fortune, Need For Speed Porsche Unleashed. Just to say some.
What companies like Sierra care about is money, and it makes sense, I mean it's their business. What they don't notice is that with each game they don't bring to the Mac (even after being ask to do so by 100's of Mac users) they loose big money. Granted, there are more PC gamers out there, but I'm sure that say 5000 copies sold of the Mac Half-Life wouldn'tdo any harm to the 60000+ out there. Because no matter for how log they tell you that we only have like what ? 5% of the merket, that 5% is really being used, I mean they also count among those stats the PC's airline companies use, I'm sure they don't play very much Half-Life around American Airlines'

making those points clear, one last things, BUY YOUR GAMES !

[xyber233]

r-0X#Zapchud, those cant be right framerates...

[rampant]

Originally posted by r-0X#Zapchud:
<STRONG>seriuosly, you aint spending money on a PC so that you can play Half-Life and then possibly CS?
comeon man, that game is OLD (1998) and it will most probably disappear when Halo arrives!</STRONG>

Keep wishing. 57,000 players at any given time don't dissapear. Halo isn't all it's cracked up to be, I've played it. Mostly indoors.
I played Counter-Strike today for 4 hours... so fun .

[rampant]

The only game I've ever seen hit 240 fps was half-life on my friends dell 1.4 ghz w/ 32mb GF2 and 128 ram. (not a power machine)

Those numbers are wrong.

[--Helen--]

There are many PC games that never make it to the Mac. Oddly enough, I love the PC version of Solitare. I also loved HalfLife. Quake II took far too long to port and Grand Theft Auto dosen't even run on Windows NT.

However, Oni, Alice and Red Faction have since easly eclipsed my complaints. I look forward to Halo, Wolfenstein and Max Payne. I particularly enjoy multiplayer games.

Yet, there are many Mac-only gaming gems. Most people overlook them. This new Airburst game is one of them. So is Gridz. Gridz when played on a network with others is nothing less than fantastic.

I guess my point is. If your wanting to play games. Less than 20% of all of the games published in 2000 made it to the Wintel PC. Which means most of them were console-based. Playstations, XBoxs -yuck, Gamecubes are the way to go for games.

[Elvin]

Half-Life wasn't necessarily cut due to quality checks...more like they couldn't get it to play well with the PC version's network code. Personally a Mac version with only the ability to network with other Macs would have suited me fine. I don't need any PC weenies on my network to have fun. I mean it doesn't end up the Game of the Year for nothing...at least port one of the best games of all time. UT was ported and look how well it did. Some say it's the best Mac game we have. Sure we may have not had the equipment they were looking for at the time...but if they are just about to release Heretic 2 and Hexen 2 for the Mac next month...then I say bring on Mac Half-Life!

[Tristrami]

Another good mac-only game is freeverse's Wingnuts.

[Stevie]

The whole point of this thread wasn't me saying that games do not run better on the Mac.

I have no doubt that they probably work just as well on both platforms.

In my opinion though there are a lot of games for the PC that are brilliant which don't come out on the Mac, or take far too long to be ported...a brilliant example is AvP, thats been out years! And Formula 1 2000, what year is it?!!

I have already bought a motherboard for my gaming PC, and fully intend on building it and usig it solely for games. My Mac will remain with me for ever though, and will be used for work and surfing the net (as i cant stand surfing on a PC!)

Fact is, if you want a wide range of games, a PC is better, and you can get MUCH cheaper graphics cards.

[Cipher13]

Originally posted by Stevie:
<STRONG>The whole point of this thread wasn't me saying that games do not run better on the Mac.

I have no doubt that they probably work just as well on both platforms.

In my opinion though there are a lot of games for the PC that are brilliant which don't come out on the Mac, or take far too long to be ported...a brilliant example is AvP, thats been out years! And Formula 1 2000, what year is it?!!

I have already bought a motherboard for my gaming PC, and fully intend on building it and usig it solely for games. My Mac will remain with me for ever though, and will be used for work and surfing the net (as i cant stand surfing on a PC!)

Fact is, if you want a wide range of games, a PC is better, and you can get MUCH cheaper graphics cards.</STRONG>

You're right. Go get a PC

[exca1ibur]

OS X 10.1 can get Quake 3 over the 250 FPS mark, with a custom config. This is on a dual 500 w/ 1.29 beta at that. I tested it with my Radeon and was able to get 200 FPS on the same system. It looked like crap to me though, but it can do it. With version 1.30 it should be able to achive higher rates.

With a very good looking config, and I average 90FPS at 1024x768. I haven't tested it at 640x480 in 10.1, though. I can if you are curious though.

http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/OSX/OS_X_...rformance.html

[ 11-30-2001: Message edited by: exca1ibur ]

[SteveJobs]

Hi boys,
just to clear this up:
I did not say that all pc games are crap, I said a lot of them. I know there are great games like Stronghold, Empire Earth, Earth 2150, Max Payne, Operation Flashpoint and on and on and on, that are high-quality games and that are not on the mac. But there also is a lot crap on the pc market, that I would not need to see on the mac.

I own an iBook. I think about getting a TiBook and a cheap PC for gaming. I am not sure yet and I do not have the money available yet, but I think i will go for that.
I would not buy it for half-life though.

Steve

[deliverator]

Originally posted by blizzard:
<STRONG>Many times I've thought the ideal solution would be a desktop PC for games and a Mac laptop for work/fun. But that costs too much money. It's just a question of satisfying as many of my wants as possible, and the Power Mac does that for me.</STRONG>

^^^This is what I do. I have an Athlon rig for gaming goodness and a TiBook 667 for everything else. Although, incidentally, the power supply on my PC died this week -- my fault, it was buzzing so I banged on it too hard -- so I'm doing all my gaming on my Book (I happen to have Q3, Deus Ex, and Oni in Mac format) until the weekend. Fortunately the Radeon Mobility makes this possible.

I see that many people are hellaciously reluctant to get involved with Windows. I'm not sure if it's out of fanboy principle (dumb) or fear of the OS (ignorance).

I use Win98SE. It's a tried and true and generally proven Windows OS that can run just about anything you throw at it. I built a PC out of parts one can purchase in any computer store, put them together, powered it up, loaded the OS and my games, and that's that. I had no nightmares. I wasn't up until 5am configuring IRQs or puzzling over cryptic errors. The system has never outright failed me and I've only had BSoD a handful of times in over a year.

I believe my secret to hassle-free Windows life is that I use it SOLELY for games, not a single thing otherwise. No chat programs, no browsing, no stupid packet-sniffing freeware AOL/realplayer nonsense, nothin'. Maybe since the machine knows I have no compunctions whatsoever about totally wiping and reinstalling the whole mess, it doesn't give me problems.

The only thing I'd contend with is that PCs are not remotely as friggin' cheap as some people would have you believe. My 64-meg GeForce2 card, when I bought it, was well over three hundred dollars. A 19-inch monitor I got cheaply at $225. Hard drive, about $150. Mobo, $130. RAM, maybe a hundred. All the other incidentals, such as a NIC and sound card and CDrom may run another couple hundred. Case, maybe $100, processor was about $120 at the time. These prices are about a year old, and things have dropped since, but not THAT much.

A moron telling you that you can build a decent game PC, monitor included, for 500 bucks is just that -- a moron. You'll end up with a machine no better for gaming than an iMac. If you're willing to cut costs and play all your games at 16-bit at 640x480 with blocky textures, so be it. You get what you pay for regardless of platform.

...

I am of the opinion that Max Payne will not run well, at acceptable detail, on anything less than a G4 with a very nice video card. I had to overclock my Athlon just to finish it, and my game PC doesn't exactly suck. People expecting to run it on iBooks and G3/voodoo3 systems may be pretty disappointed unless the guys porting it pull off a miracle.

[a2daj]

I'm not sure where this BS about Half-Life failing QA came from.
Fact - Half-Life PC&lt;-&gt;Mac connectivity was working.
Fact - Logicware was told to axe PC &lt;-&gt;Mac connectivity because Valve/Sierra didn't want to pay anyone to update Mac Half-Life beyond the initial release.

Fact - Valve axed Mac Half-Life. Their reasoning can be found here:
http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/...halflife.shtml

Try and do some research before you spout off BS.

[r-0X#Zapchud]

Ok, fps hungry ppl,
check this test from xlr8yourmac.com

it shows that the ancient DP500 with 2x AGP and 100 MHz bus achieves 250, though without sound, and only in 1.29f beta!

There is no point in linking to the athlon 1,4 Ghz result since its only a post saying "LOL. 250 fps. quality matters".

I got the tremendously high fps numbers from an old thread in the mac-world of Quake3world.com, where we discussed fps-tweaking on the mac. After a shitload of tweaking (not all though, still picmip 1) the other guy tested (oliver from xlr8yourmac.com) it on his DP533, GF3, 1,5GB RAM. 241 fps. Then another guy with almost the same setup, exept for the dual800 tested 333,5 or so (I dont remember exactly, but it was most certainly between 332 and 336).

[MindFad]

Bah, the Mac has some fine games -- enough fine games to keep me from buying a PC! Besides, I've got my GameCube. And if our Macs get the job done with games at around 45-60 frames at 800x600, so what? Do you really enjoy the games that much less because you can't get 1600x1200 at 120 FPS!? You really aren't real gamers if all you care about are the frames you get per second. Happy gaming, friends!

[Chimpmaster]

Yeah its true. More would be good.

...have to say it, built a 1GHz Athlon T-Bird system w/GF2 just to see if it really felt any faster than my G4/500(doesn't, doesn't fell any faster than my old Celeron 500 either)

Anyways, I still have it around to play halflife TeamFortress, and, now, Wizardry 8. (AWESOME game BTW. LIGHT years ahead of Baldur's Crap..er...Gate. (Yes, I am HIGHLY unimpressed with the infinity engine games, nice graphics, crap combat system, so-so plots.))

Well, I only hope that they release Halflife 2 for the mac... and that Sir Tech makes so much money on Wiz8 that they insanely decide to port it to the mac... and enough to exist long enolugh to make 9...

HALO: sounds like a major letdown from what I've heard, but I'm sure that M$ mucked it up so it could make xbox launch, and actually run on the xbox.

[SteveJobs]

That exactly shows that you do not have a bless of mac and pc networking.

Half Life uses DirectPlay and this is completely incompatible to the mac. So they rewrote the networking protocoll, so you could play Half Life on a Mac to Mac network.

AvP can connect to windows games, although it uses DirectPlay, because the developers spent a lot of extra weeks (actually months), to do this.

Steve

[Stevie]

Can we please get back to the idea of this topic which was to discuss the serious lack of quality mac games.

We all know that certain games will run better on macs, certain games will run better on pc's.

As for fps, i dont care, i just want it to look good, if it does then im happy, if not, then i get annoyed which is why ive decided to build my pc because of the crappy graphics card in my imac

[starman]

Anyone who thinks the Mac is 'good enough' for games really doesn't know anything about what the PC world has to offer gamers. I have a PC for games and I no longer use my Mac for games. There's no point. None. Here's why:

- Four-point surround. The Mac only supports it in Deus Ex I belive. How long have we been waiting for the EAX version of UT? You want to talk about the lack of quality in Mac gaming? Here's a perfect example of it.

- ATI Radeon 8500. 'Nuff said

- Everquest

- Empire Earth

- Tribes

- etc.

- No Mac drivers for some of the best gaming hardware

- Speed on the Mac just sucks. Of course it depends on what you're using. For example, if you're stuck in OS 9, you're going to get crap framerate from Quake 3 and UT. If you're under OS X your framerate gets much better in Q3, but I haven't seen a solid version of UT out yet, so you're still swapping OS's for certain games (and for some apps! grrr!). The problem is that you can't base how a platform as a whole runs from the benchmarks on one game. Overall, you're going to get better performance from a modern PC than a modern Mac.

- Better RAM. The RAM on a Mac just blows.

- Better bus speeds on PC hardware.

- LONG delays in the releases of games for the Mac

- "Is this out for the Mac? No? Shit." How many times I said that to myself.

Mike

[island_bobwa]

I love my new little iBook, and have been using Macs for a long time, since I was 3 to be exact (making me 18). I just ordered a Athlon 1.1ghz to play my games on becuase there is such a lack of good games for mac. I am a big fan of online RPGs, I played Clanlord back in the begining, I got Ultima Online running under Virtual PC for about a year. But the mac just can't keep me sustained. Therefore to play Dark Age of Camelot I ordered a PC gaming machine for less then half what I would pay for a good mac gaming machine.

Don't get me wrong I love macs, and work for 10 hours a day on them at my two jobs, but they just lack in the gaming department.

Gordon Moore

[juanvaldes]

To each their own. There are more then enough games on the mac (and OS X now) then I have the time to play.

I am currently in the middle of:

• Tony Hawk 2
  Baldur's Gate 2
  Age of Empires 2
  Tropico
  Alice
  Quake 3
  StarCraft

Then there are all of my old games which play fine in classic...

• Alpha Centauri
  Rail Road Tycoon 2
  Conquest of the new World
  Heroes 3 complete
  Master of Orion 2
  Escape Velocity/Override

then the last two, UT (have yet to get the updated X patch, the first one wasn't good enough) and Diablo 2, which after the great job of SC I hope is on the way and should kick major ass!

Last and DEFIANTLY not least: iNES & SNES9X and the few hundred games that run on them.

[G Barnett]

(rant mode on)

Why why why, when pointing out the so-called superiority of PC gaming, do people always put up Everquest??

The game is popular, I'll give it that. However, IMO, it is pure, unadulterated crap, published by a company that doesn't care one iota about customer service. It requires a play commitment that borders on ludicrous just to be even remotely competitive, the company changes the basic parameters of classes and abilities to the detriment of players on a regular basis, every server is overcrowded to the point of unplayability and the in-game economy has by and large migrated to eBay. That's just to name a few of the issues surrounding this POS.

Sony/Verant have never even show any sort of interest in supporting the Mac. I don't see any reason to even try to encourage them to port their software and their abominable Customer Service policies to the Mac.

Crappy software for a crappy platform, say I.


G Barnett

[starman]

Everquest WAS supposed to be a Mac game. Get your facts straight.

The MMORPG is the latest and greatest hit, with EQ as the latest and greatest title.

If you think for one SECOND that Verant doesn't care about customer service, you should really check out the Tech boards on everquest.com. They've been busting their ass getting the latest expansion fixed. I was up and running last night in under 3 hours. They put up extra patch servers and updates last night.

Mike

[G Barnett]

Verant has banned people for writing background fiction for their characters that offended some players even though said fiction was never posted anywhere near anything that Sony/Verant considers an "Official" site.

Verant had (and has since retracted) a blanket policy which stated that if any player reported that their account had been hacked, said account would be immediately and irrevocably banned.

Verant defines the act of discovering and taking advantage of weaknesses in their creature AI a bannable exploit.

Verant changes the essential and basic parameters of all their classes on a constant basis, usually by removing or weakening various abilities, all in the name of their "Vision."

None of the above would be what I define as "Good Customer Service."


G Barnett

[hwshi]

stevie save yourself some money and just get an xbox.halo is unbelievable in dd and progressive scan.yeah yeah its a m$ product,whatever.beats sitting on an office chair stairing at my imac.
have been turned off of gaming for awhile amd i am a renewed gamer now.halo does not suck .
sometimes these mac boards are just like the fanboy gamer boards where any mention of anything non mac gets bashed. move beyond m$ hating(believe me i'm no fan) and get some game on.

[juanvaldes]

Originally posted by hwshi:
<STRONG>stevie save yourself some money and just get an xbox.halo is unbelievable in dd and progressive scan.yeah yeah its a m$ product,whatever.beats sitting on an office chair stairing at my imac.
have been turned off of gaming for awhile amd i am a renewed gamer now.halo does not suck .
sometimes these mac boards are just like the fanboy gamer boards where any mention of anything non mac gets bashed. move beyond m$ hating(believe me i'm no fan) and get some game on.</STRONG>

Personally I would get a Game Cube or Playstation 2 before the Xbox seeing as the Xbox has ONLY halo which both Mac/Windows users will be playing in a year, and halo will play at lot better on them (the game style is comp style, not console style) the other systems have more then one game, alot really and basicly all of them WILL NOT be showing up on a computer system any year soon.

[starman]

Again, you're wrong.

Verant changed their policy about hacked accounts.

The fanfiction in question was about the rape of a girl in the "12th season", and the debate was about whether that meant 12 years old or "level 12". It's no different if Lucasfilm sues over something questionable written about Star Wars (and it has happnened).

The "bannable exploit" is just as enforcable as "going 70 in a 55".

Their class balancing system has been in question, but the game's only 2 years old, and I'm sure that even the developers couldn't see all the possibilities that the unbalancing of certain classes could impact the game.

Again, get your facts straight.

Mike

[G Barnett]

Originally posted by starman:
[QB
The fanfiction in question was about the rape of a girl in the "12th season", and the debate was about whether that meant 12 years old or "level 12". It's no different if Lucasfilm sues over something questionable written about Star Wars (and it has happnened).[/QB]

The detail that you've conveniently left out is that the 'girl' in question was in fact the very character that was banned. This story was written as her history and as a way of defining the character. Had it involved the character being the perpetrator, I would have agreed with the banning.

It is a far different situation from your Lucasfilm example, in that none of the central, copyrighted characters were involved. Verant banned him over the 'potential' for bad publicity, nothing more. They were far more concerned over their image than with finding out all the details and facts before making a decision. Much later, after many e-mails, they did offer to reinstate the player, but by then he'd decided he'd had enough crap from them.

Basically, my biggest issue with Verant is their long history of "shoot first, ask questions later" policy of customer support. They have shown no sign of changing, and thus I see no reason whatsoever to support them.


G Barnett

Originally posted by starman:
<STRONG>Everquest WAS supposed to be a Mac game. Get your facts straight.</STRONG>

Fascinating - that's the first I've read about that. Where did you hear/read this?

Brad

[a2daj]

Originally posted by SteveJobs:
<STRONG>That exactly shows that you do not have a bless of mac and pc networking.

Half Life uses DirectPlay and this is completely incompatible to the mac. So they rewrote the networking protocoll, so you could play Half Life on a Mac to Mac network.

Steve</STRONG>

Where did you here that? Andrew Meggs, the guy who was working on the Half-Life port, said that he had mac&lt;-&gt;pc networking working just fun but was told to disable mac&lt;-&gt;PC networking.

[PcNukin101]

IF YOU WANT GAMES, GET A GAMECUBE!!!!!!
IF YOU WANT A COMPUTER, GET A MAC!!!!!!

jeez.....
you know, now that consoles are online-capable, there really isnt any reason to only get games for your mac. Not that mac gaming sux, i usually log 4 hours of diablo 2 a day, its just that computers WERE meant for other things than gaming.

Still, I do think that there are too few games for the mac. But most major games are on it! The only ones that dont go to mac are unpopular, which means there usually bad.

Also, at least Macs dont crash half the time!
I PISS ON WINTEL'S GAMING CAPABILITY!!!!!!!

[vsurfer]

Originally posted by juanvaldes:
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Then there are all of my old games which play fine in classic...

• Alpha Centauri
  Rail Road Tycoon 2
  Conquest of the new World
  Heroes 3 complete
  Master of Orion 2
  Escape Velocity/Override

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Juan,

I don't know if oyu've tried it, but you may well enjoy Total Annihilation Gold if you can still find it. Plenty of battle strategy fun with multiple units and command groups, infrastructure building etc., but in real time. i find it makes a nice complement to Alpha.

Wish i could find a way to play this online, but the "widgets" needed to play online all seem to be PC .exe files.

[pdot]

if it makes you feel better, as a marketing ploy, we can say that the ratio of Bad games to Good Games for the Mac is noticeably smaller than the ratio of Bad games to Good Games for Windows. Too bad Windows have more good games than the Mac. Oh wait, i'm not supposed to say that since I'm trying to falsely adverstise something. wait, what was I talking about again? ...I'm going to get a sandwich now.