[Eug]

Where do I get this demo and where in the quake3 directory do I put it?

[joe]

Demo001 and Demo002 were included with the older versions of Quake3 (v1.11, v1.17). The more recent versions of Quake3 including the latest (v1.30) use Four.Dem_66 demo instead. You can't load the older Demos into the latest version of Quake3 because Id changed the way Quake3 handls maps.

I assume you're trying to run benchmarks? Four.demo_66 will work - though I think you will get a couple of fps slower since it has more action on screen than Demo001 or Demo002. Regards........joe

[Eug]

Originally posted by joe:
<STRONG>Demo001 and Demo002 were included with the older versions of Quake3 (v1.11, v1.17). The more recent versions of Quake3 including the latest (v1.30) use Four.Dem_66 demo instead. You can't load the older Demos into the latest version of Quake3 because Id changed the way Quake3 handls maps.

I assume you're trying to run benchmarks? Four.demo_66 will work - though I think you will get a couple of fps slower since it has more action on screen than Demo001 or Demo002. Regards........joe</STRONG>

OK Thanks. On OS X I've discovered the game is barely playable with this iBook at any decent resolution so I won't bother. (My cheapie Celeron with Radeon will out fps virtually any G4 anyway so I'll stick to that. It would have been nice to have something to kill time on the road though.)

[ 12-22-2001: Message edited by: Eug ]

[r-0X#Zapchud]

Q3 unplayable on an iBook?
No way, the problem is that you have way too high expectations from the graphics-card. The card will have trouble on 640x480 with all the nice eye-candy on because of the way-too-low 8MB memory for the chip. What you need to do:
enter the config-file (in your baseq3-folder of home/library/application support) that's named "q3config.cfg" with a plain-text editor (like SimpleText, BBEdit etc.)
find these settings, or "cvars" (if you dint find them, just enter them) and set them to what I say:
seta r_picmip "2"
seta r_subdivisions "20"
seta r_detailtextures "0"
seta r_roundimagesdown "2"
seta r_texturebits "16"
seta r_colorbits "32"
seta r_depthbits "0"
seta cg_simpleitems "0"
seta cg_brasstime "0"
seta cg_shadows "0"
seta cg_draw3dicons "0"
seta cg_draw2dicons "1"

these will probably make your Q3-on-iBook experience waaay better

[Eug]

Originally posted by r-0X#Zapchud:
<STRONG>Q3 unplayable on an iBook?
No way, the problem is that you have way too high expectations from the graphics-card. The card will have trouble on 640x480 with all the nice eye-candy on because of the way-too-low 8MB memory for the chip. What you need to do:
enter the config-file (in your baseq3-folder of home/library/application support) that's named "q3config.cfg" with a plain-text editor (like SimpleText, BBEdit etc.)
find these settings, or "cvars" (if you dint find them, just enter them) and set them to what I say:
seta r_picmip "2"
seta r_subdivisions "20"
seta r_detailtextures "0"
seta r_roundimagesdown "2"
seta r_texturebits "16"
seta r_colorbits "32"
seta r_depthbits "0"
seta cg_simpleitems "0"
seta cg_brasstime "0"
seta cg_shadows "0"
seta cg_draw3dicons "0"
seta cg_draw2dicons "1"

these will probably make your Q3-on-iBook experience waaay better </STRONG>

Perhaps, but if I read your settings correctly, all you're doing is essentially turning most of the eye candy off, no? I guess "unplayable" is unfair though, although at 8 MB with my settings I was hoping for better. Not blaming the iBook or OS X per se, but I guess I'm just a little spoiled. I will stick with my Celly 880 Win 2000 box with Radeon LE (flashed to DDR) for the rare times I game.

However, I will try some of your settings for the few times I might want Q3 on the road. I think Return to Castle Wolfenstein is a lost cause though.

[ 12-22-2001: Message edited by: Eug ]

[r-0X#Zapchud]

It does not kill all eye-candy, its not even set to the lowest texture-detail. The settings is pretty much like the ones I use when I play the mod Urban Terror, and it is very OK, me thinks...

[blizzard]

Just out of curiosity, what do you mean by 'flashed to DDR'?

[Beatheavy]

Originally posted by blizzard:
<STRONG>Just out of curiosity, what do you mean by 'flashed to DDR'?</STRONG>

Kind of a misleading statement understood usually by PC geeks.

There are a couple of "lower end" Radeons in the PC line, including the Radeon LE (made by 3rd parties) and the plain Radeon SDR (made by ATI). This is in contrast with their usual higher end Radeon DDR cards.

The Radeon LE is what I own, and it uses DDR, but ships with a firmware that deactivates things like HyperZ, which can make a big difference to gaming speeds. Otherwise the card is essentially identical. Either one can use a software utility to turn on HyperZ, etc., or you can simply flash the Radeon LE with a Radeon DDR firmware so that you don't have to use the software utility. I've done the flash trick.

Actually there is another significant difference. The Radeon LE uses slightly slower memory than the retail DDR cards, so you shouldn't expect the LE to overclock as much as the retail DDR cards, but at the price nobody is complaining. Plus I don't think ATI is selling 32 MB DDR cards anymore (but I'm not sure) so there is no directly comparable card to the Radeon LE anymore.

[Beatheavy]

Just to clarify (slightly slower memory notwithstanding):

Radeon SDR ~ Junk (by Radeon standards)
Radeon LE ~ Radeon DDR 32 MB with HyperZ turned off
Radeon LE + HyperZ ~ Radeon DDR 32 MB
Radeon LE + DDR firmware = Radeon DDR 32 MB

You can "play" Quake 3 on an ibook, but the highest you can get is 50 fps and still have it look good. Voch posted a config of mine in the "poll: what games do you play on your ibook" thread, and it was in the news at Xlr8your mac too. It's good because it's texture is 1 notch from top, and the geometric detail is high, while still giving good FPS.

Right now, I've getting 85 fps on normal detail/32 bit on my 933celery laptop with a radeon.