a G4 cube 450mhz, 256 ram, radeon agp compared to

a dell 4100, 933mhz 256 ram and this one graphics card i forgot

but what computer would look better playing unreal tournament

[austeros]

it looks good, but then we have to know what graphics card your using in the pc. If you put in a gforce 2 ultra, you will prolly smoke the cube, but thats a $300 card. the radion is a good card and the cube is a very nice computer.

comeon, dont buy dell, and if you dont buy a cube, get a g4 tower

You have entered a site that is totaly for Mac, ask the developer for issues like that!

HELP I CAN'T REGESTER!

it tells me that I have the wrong password every time I try to start a new topic! HELP

[gorgonzola]

Yale: PCs are generally better than Macs *for games* because there's a wider variety of powerful graphics cards available. For the G4 Tower, there's only Radeon or GeForce 2MX (which is good).

But I'd guarantee you that for anything besides games, a Mac will feel faster and let you get more done quickly just because of the quality of the OS. Except in tasks where everyone has to wait (CD ripping, Photoshop filters, etc) clock speed is not really much of an issue on a Mac.

I have a lowly 333MHz and it's very, very fast on everything except for games. For games it stinks, but then again it's a 3 year old machine. And just an imac, which had crappy specs back then.

If you're an ubergamer then a PC is better.

(btw -- what is all this about "go to a developer"?)

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[mac freak]

Except in tasks where everyone has to wait (CD ripping, Photoshop filters, etc)

What??!!

Photoshop speed is one of the Mac's selling points! Faster than any PC

But games are another issue -- if all you are interested in is gaming, a 933MHz P3 will rip apart a Cube.

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[JL!]

If you want to game, get a phat new G4 tower and bug the Unreal Tournament people to optimize for the Velocity Engine like Quake is.

Graeme Divine (Quake III Game Designer) said himself that the Mac has now become better for Quake than the PC. Especially because of the high-end new G4 with 4 Velocity Engines and 133MHz bus... MMmmmmmm.....

[vitals0]

Originally posted by JL!:
If you want to game, get a phat new G4 tower and bug the Unreal Tournament people to optimize for the Velocity Engine like Quake is.

Graeme Divine (Quake III Game Designer) said himself that the Mac has now become better for Quake than the PC. Especially because of the high-end new G4 with 4 Velocity Engines and 133MHz bus... MMmmmmmm.....

With comparable setup (CPU and graphic card), maybe. But currently Macs don't have any killer graphic card. A good P4 system with GeForce2 Ultra can push Quake III beyond 200 fps, it's hard to imagine that kind of frame rate from a G4 with Radeon or GeForce2 MX.

[gorefan68]

Originally posted by gorgonzola:
Yale: PCs are generally better than Macs *for games* because there's a wider variety of powerful graphics cards available. For the G4 Tower, there's only Radeon or GeForce 2MX (which is good).

>COUGH< >VOODOO5< >COUGH<

Might I might add a 3dfx card would make UT haul ass, since UT and Glide are a sweet combo....

Ca$h

[xyber233]

I agree.If you are concentrating on UT, the Voodoo series is great. Now that 3dfx is gone, prices will start dropping.

I can now say that the "Mhz myth" (Macworld 2001) is very true. Thanks!

[Walker]

I'm a newbie to the "frame rate" world, but doesn't it get to a point where additional frame rates are really a waste? The above post mentioned 200+ frame rates. Can my eyes really pick up the difference between 100 and 200 frame rates?

Just curious....

Lanny

[TomG3AKAMacguyver]

Unfortunately the Dell prob comes with a decent 17" monitor and speakers for about the same price as the cube which is just the CPU. This is where Apple has to do something, mHz myth or not.

And is the graphics card in the cube upgradable? If not then you should not really consider it for gaming and should only compare it to the Mac towers, but then you'll really hate the mHz & price difference Again, Apple needs to do something there. Base model tower starting at $1700 just for the CPU, C'mon, we back in '96 or something?? WTF! If Apple would just make their towers more affordable I really think Mac gaming would explode. Alot is happening on the software side, but not many people have $2k just for a CPU.

The Dell will also have a longer lifespan as a gaming system with 933 mHz. Where as 450 will become the "minimum system requirements" sooner. You can get a 667 mHz system from Apple if you got 3 grand, again that's just for the CPU.

Avid Mac user, but not happy with Apple's high prices.
TG3

The Cube's vid card is upgradable.

i have a 500MHz Cube w/Radeon and get something like 55fps in Quake III, settings set reasonably high (but resolution of 800x600, not 1027x780, I think). Extremely playable at that speed. Also very little slow-down in crowded rooms - it seems to maintain the frame count pretty consistently.

Turned up everything to high and res. to 1024X768. Still getting the same FPS in Quake, about 50 (not 55 as previously estimated). can hold at about 50 consistently. Looks beautiful to me....

UT on the same settings can also average around 50, but drops in crowds to around 30, just a little slow. left everything on high but dropped res. to 800x600 to get UT to maintain frame rates near 50...