[mac freak]

NOTE: The subject SHOULD read "HTML Table Debug" but I mistyped it (I type "http" far more often than "html").

A friend of mine just recently updated his site, but all the tables load with strange repeating graphics on Macs (whereas they're fine on Windows). I've checked both IE 5 and and Netscape 4.7.

I as wondering if any HTML people here could check the source and find out what the problem was so I could tell him (I'm a Flash guy... minimal HTML skills here!). And hey, if he got a sudden influx of hits from Mac users he might search for the problem himself.

Thanks.

EDIT: Ok, I'm a retard. Here's the link: www.ibetas.net

[ 01-07-2002: Message edited by: mac freak ]

[ 01-17-2002: Message edited by: mac freak ]

[Raman]

oh my god, that hurts! he needs to tone down the right section where
there's text. like maybe make it lighter. also, preload images, dont' make the section headers look like the buttons or people are going ot try and click on them. pick better colors because it's impossible to read some of teh text because the background color clashes. slice images better (i can see lines)

anyway. i'm looking at it on win2k ie 5.0. I've noticed that when you set a background for a table cell (like to make rounded tables and junk) some browsers will repeat it because your cell is to wide. there are a few ways to get around it- make the background image pretty wide. or use balloon cells (set the content cells to 100%) so it pushes that cell wide so all you see on the right, left, top, bottom cells is the background image showing. the 4 edges should have images in the cells (not as a backgroudn image).

[mac freak]

On a side note, the web dev forum here is rather sad... (note the small number of recent posts and lack of responses).
Aren't we Mac people supposed to be big-time web developers!?

Oh well.

[ReggieX]

Originally posted by mac freak:
<STRONG>On a side note, the web dev forum here is rather sad... (note the small number of recent posts and lack of responses).
Aren't we Mac people supposed to be big-time web developers!?
</STRONG>

I'd say most of the Mac folks are *designers* not developers, and therefore non-techy minded. I like doing both cuz I'm a math/science major who went to art school

As for that link, whoa man. There are so many problems with it I can't even start.
Pet peeve #1: rolled over links are the same colour as the background? other rollovers that go overline and underline at the same time? BAD!!! It screams of newbies trying to look super-kewl.

This also looks bad (in Mozilla .97):



Putting background images in tables is nasty I'd recommend him taking them *all* out until he can make them look the same in IE 5, 5.5 and 6, NS4.7 and Mozilla on Windows.

[Simon Mundy]

Wow, that's one nested table layout!

I've had a look at it and re-jigged a few things, and it seems to work now in IE5, NS6 and EVEN OmniWeb. Although, don't pick it to pieces 'cos I only spent about 10-15 minutes on it.

You can view it here.

I've found that COLSPANs will ruin a good layout very quickly, especially where % widths are used instead of fixed widths. The most reliable way I use is to make the table 100%, make all non-stretchy cells a fixed pixel value, and then the stretchy cell 100%. Don't use a colspan across a fixed and a non-fixed cell or you get weird results.

Your mate might also want to consider style sheets to avoid images repeating as well.

Cheers

[FnArFy]

Originally posted by ReggieX:
<STRONG>

I'd say most of the Mac folks are *designers* not developers, and therefore non-techy minded. I like doing both cuz I'm a math/science major who went to art school

As for that link, whoa man. There are so many problems with it I can't even start.
Pet peeve #1: rolled over links are the same colour as the background? other rollovers that go overline and underline at the same time? BAD!!! It screams of newbies trying to look super-kewl.

This also looks bad (in Mozilla .97):



Putting background images in tables is nasty I'd recommend him taking them *all* out until he can make them look the same in IE 5, 5.5 and 6, NS4.7 and Mozilla on Windows.</STRONG>

Oki, well then Mr. Insult The Web Designers And Call Them Newbies. I AM NOT A NEWBIE and I take offense to that, ont of my recent projects was ByteSector (although I am no longer working on it), and as for the links, I noticed that error with them changing into the bg color 20 min after i uploaded, and I have since fixed it, so you must have gone during those 20 min, and as f the "underline AND overline" I think it looks good, and it does not prove newbieness, all of the rollovers do that, but if its the bg color, you can see it, idiot, It's not diferent for each link...

One last thing, what do you mean putting pg images in tables is nasty, that doesnt even make sense... Are you trying to tell me to just put the image there in one place, so it looks like crap. More that 80% of my visitors are using IE6 so Im not really worried about this anyway...

Before you diss someone and call them a newbie, learn some feng shui web design, then some gfx design, then learn basic html, THEN and only then, can you critique my work...

-Ben Garmisa