[Beewee]

Quick question. What programs do you use most, or do u use code instead?

[Griggsy]

Go-live for WSIWYG and BBedit for code cleanup, can never put a foot wrong!

[Millennium]

Typically, nowadays I just use Pepper (with liberal use of the HTML plugin). I've used a few WYSIWYG editors in my time, though.

That said, either BBEdit, Pepper, or some other text editor should be considered essential, along with TidyHTML in some form. With these as your backup, it's hard to go wrong no matter what WYSIWYG editor you use.

[derbs]

dreamweaver 4 + BBedit

killer combination

[Xtraz]

I know this is a question of preference, but can you guys tell me why you chose Dreamweaver vs. GoLive, or Flash vs Livemotion?

I have conceptual ideas about my website but am not sure what the relative benefits of each program will be.

Thanks

[Raman]

Notepad (99.9%)
Visual InterDev
Visual Basic 6 (for making 'da DLL's)
Dreamweaver a little.
Homesite 4.5

Toying around with Java 2 (if we go ABM ever)
Visual Studio.NET

You said application development. Most programmers don't consider the reslts of HTML pages laid out using a glorified/visual text editor an "Application."

I never used GoLive because I heard about how it re-writes my code and doesn't do 100% ECMASCRIPT. Being a programmer I don't like that. Plus I don't like Adobe's interface as well as Macromedia's (as similar as they may be). Finally, I use Fireworks to draw things so Dreamweaver is a natural.

[Simon Mundy]

Originally posted by Xtraz:
<STRONG>I know this is a question of preference, but can you guys tell me why you chose Dreamweaver vs. GoLive, or Flash vs Livemotion?

I have conceptual ideas about my website but am not sure what the relative benefits of each program will be.

Thanks</STRONG>

Totally biased opinion to follow:

GoLive feels more like a Mac app than Dreamweaver [ ...ducks for cover... ] The way everything is laid out, the way you point, click and drag things to bring your pages to life... the icon palettes... maybe even the fact that Cyberstudio was written for the mac in the first place

Dreamweaver feels like a windows port, but that's only having used DW 3. I haven't given DW4 a proper go - and in its defense, I hear that the programming support, wizards, coding and all that stuff is pretty good. It's more of a touchy-feely-user experience thing that made GoLive my fav'.

Of course, now GL6 is set to be released, with a much-improved dual code/layout view, full ASP, PHP & JSP support, a bundled workgroup server, X-native and lots more UI enhancements... I think Macromedia had really better pull their collective fingers out before Adobe gets a much higher share of the web authoring market.

Feel free to disagree!

[godzookie2k]

Dreamweaver/BBedit/Flash/Director.

Dreamweaver- Whups up on GoLive in terms of clean, compliant code, so when I drop it into BBedit for clean up, my job is much simpler and easier. Personally, I've always had cross platform and cross browser issues with GoLive for some strange reason.

BBedit- I like it, I like how it works with DW, and I like the interface, though any text editor will do.

Flash- Livemotion is great for animated graphics, but when it comes to interactivity, Actionscript kills Livemotion. I *do* like the aftereffects style timeline though, but thats cause I have alot of aftereffects in my background. It took me a long time to even contemplate using flash, I recently just started and I now realize the power under the hood.

Director- When Flash just doesn't cut it. I'm also much more familiar with the Director scripting language, Lingo, than I am with Flash. However, of late I've been finding myself doing Flash/Director two hit combos which are quite nice. Director *has* no competition.


Nick

[derbs]

Simon - agreed GoLive does feel a lot more like a Mac app, and I love the adobe palette system.

I used to use GoLive when i first got into web design (GoLive Cyberstudio 3 I think ), however when I started working professionally, the company insisted on Dreamweaver. Took a week or so to get into it, now there's no going back!

Golive now feels a bit lightweight, mangles code, has crossbrowser issues, all in all doesn't feel like a 'professional' solution in my eyes. Maybe v6 will sort those problems out, but i'm stuck on DW for the near future.

[Simon Mundy]

Originally posted by derbs:
<STRONG>Simon - agreed GoLive does feel a lot more like a Mac app, and I love the adobe palette system.

I used to use GoLive when i first got into web design (GoLive Cyberstudio 3 I think ), however when I started working professionally, the company insisted on Dreamweaver. Took a week or so to get into it, now there's no going back!

Golive now feels a bit lightweight, mangles code, has crossbrowser issues, all in all doesn't feel like a 'professional' solution in my eyes. Maybe v6 will sort those problems out, but i'm stuck on DW for the near future.</STRONG>

Since v5 it doesn't seem to mangle code much, if at all. It's quite respectful of your changes and your formatting. What are the cross-browser issues?

The bits I love about v6 are the fact that the syntax checker and code generator respect each page's individual DTD, so if you want strict XHTML then cool, or transitional HTML that's cool too. And it fully understands PHP, ASP and JSP.

And if you're a hardcore Javascript coder, you can instruct GoLive to use your own pre-written rollovers + effects instead of it's pre-installed stuff (which IMHO is a bit too messy!)

Not that I'm an Adobe evangelist , mind. I still remember Illustrator 7.0 and LiveMotion 1.0...

[esquilax]

[localhost:~] esquilax% cat &gt; index.html
&lt;html&gt;
&lt;head&gt;
&lt;title&gt;Web Development&lt;/title&gt;
&lt;/head&gt;
&lt;body&gt;
&lt;h1&gt; Real Web developers use cat.&lt;/h1&gt;
&lt;/body&gt;
&lt;/html&gt;
[CONTROL-D]

[iNeusch]

Originally posted by esquilax:
<STRONG>[localhost:~] esquilax% cat &gt; index.html
&lt;html&gt;
&lt;head&gt;
&lt;title&gt;Web Development&lt;/title&gt;
&lt;/head&gt;
&lt;body&gt;
&lt;h1&gt; Real Web developers use cat.&lt;/h1&gt;
&lt;/body&gt;
&lt;/html&gt;
[CONTROL-D]

</STRONG>

LOL

Wanted to get emacs to work without having to install an X server but...
so i stick to bbedit for Java/HTML stuff

[Beewee]

I'm a newbie to web design, what is WSIWYG?

[derbs]

wysiwyg

what you see is what you get

in terms of web design - a program where you can build pages visually (like desktop publishing programs) instead of coding them in a text editor