I have installed Marc Liyanage's MySQL package and I had it running for a while. It seems like I don't understand some of the concepts of administering the database. I have problems trying to shut down the terminal after making a table. It says that sh and mysqld are still running and thats true looking at top. If I try mysqladmin shutdown I can't because it says I don't have permission. I imagine this is because he has it running under user mysql in his directions. Why does he do that? I'm not that worried about security this is just a development (play) machine and not running openly on the web. I think I need a step by step tutorial working through installation and doing simple administration things. After installing his mysql package alot of the instructions I see on the net, even at the mysql site, don't work because of the convaluted installation. Is it normal to have it running under a diffent user like this? Any help would be appreciated.