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axisdrama · 08:33 AM

Is there any way to develop and test ASP on a mac without spending what it costs for a PC?

Is it possible to develop and test ASP on Virtual PC 5 with Windows XP for the Mac? If so, how would performance be on Pismo Powerbook?

Thanks, in advance, for your help!

mrburri · Dec 11, 2002, 11:06 PM

OSX with its UNIX underbelly, will allow you to deploy ASP, if you wish. I would have a poke around the Linux and UNIX software sites, and you sould find a Free UNIX based ASP server that you could use.

The qusation I have is why would you want to use ASP in the first place when you have far better options in JSP and PHP.

axisdrama · Dec 12, 2002, 12:45 PM

Originally posted by mrburri:
OSX with its UNIX underbelly, will allow you to deploy ASP, if you wish. I would have a poke around the Linux and UNIX software sites, and you sould find a Free UNIX based ASP server that you could use.

The qusation I have is why would you want to use ASP in the first place when you have far better options in JSP and PHP.

I love PHP and have been developing my personal web site with it. But, I want to learn ASP to make myself more marketable (businesses seem to like that skill).

I have looked for free versions of ASP servers for Unix on the web and they don't seem to exist. There are a couple ports (namely ChiliASP which is about $500 and iASP from Stryon which is about $1000), but they are far too pricey for a married guy like me who makes only 40k (2k of which is needed for medical bills...long story) and is trying to save for our first house.

Does anyone know about any free versions of ASP for unix? If not, does anyone have IIS running on Virtual PC? How would it perform on a Pismo 400?

smeger · Dec 12, 2002, 12:56 PM

Does this help?

int69h · Dec 12, 2002, 02:50 PM

Exactly what I was thinking smeger.

I'm in the process of finding out if mono will build and run on OSX. Even if it does, performance will most likely be lacking, as the JIT compiler only works on x86 at the moment.

You might try running this stuff under Rotor, Microsoft's "shared source" version of the .NET framework. I haven't built Rotor on OSX, as I'm using a G3 333 w/ 384 MB of RAM. In typical Micrsoft fashion, Rotor is HUGE.

If you do decide to go this route, let us know how it works out for you.

Kristoff · Dec 15, 2002, 10:19 AM

Originally posted by axisdrama:

I love PHP and have been developing my personal web site with it. But, I want to learn ASP to make myself more marketable (businesses seem to like that skill).

Then learn JSP.

I have said this before in this very forum.

The power of ASP is that it allows you to leverage ActiveX controls from a scripting language.

What use is that on a non-MS operating system with no ActiveX support?

Do yourself a favor and learn Java / JSP. Same concept...but only you leverage JavaBeans which means you are free to use virtually any platform you wish.

redJag · Dec 15, 2002, 04:07 PM

That's a nice suggestion by itself, but businesses STILL like ASP. And that's what matters here..

mrburri · 12:25 AM

If all you care about is getting a job, then look at the facts.

Java/JSP/Beans outstrips VB and ASP 2 to 1 any day in most places.

This becomes more evident the further, you move away from the desktop, and the more mission critical the project is.

VB/ASP is fading into the past, MS.NET has made them mostly redundant. Java is king of the sandpit, and only grows stronger every day.

If you truly want to appeal to mass market learn which side your bread will be buttered on.

That butter is called Java and the bread comes in the following high fiber varieties - SUN - IBM - Oracle - Apple - BEA - Jakarta - JBoss - Resin - NetBeans & not to mention some little group called Open Source, you may have heard of them.

Java == Industry Standard
VB/ASP == Microsoft

What will it be then.

P.S. Remember if you really want to constipate your body with ASP, then you will have to get and run Windows, which is bound to give you the development S-H-I-T-S.

int69h · Dec 17, 2002, 10:19 AM

I'm gonna post this at the risk of being called an astroturfer...

If all you care about is getting a job, then look at the facts.

Java/JSP/Beans outstrips VB and ASP 2 to 1 any day in most places.

A quick search of monster.com lists 157 JSP positions and 382 ASP positions as of 10:00 CST on 17-DEC-2002.

Java == Industry Standard
VB/ASP == Microsoft

Sun missed their chance to be an industry standard. Instead, they pulled a bait and switch on us. At least MS did follow through with their promise to submit C# and the .NET foundation to a standards board. They didn't go with one I would have preferred, but at least they did submit to a standards body.

That butter is called Java and the bread comes in the following high fiber varieties - SUN - IBM - Oracle - Apple - BEA - Jakarta - JBoss - Resin - NetBeans & not to mention some little group called Open Source, you may have heard of them.

Nice try at playing the Open Source card. Where's that Java 2 compliant Open Source VM again?

The only thing keeping MS out of the high end server arena right now is the pathetic Intel architecture. Apple is pathetic on this front as well, but I digress. Does anyone actually believe that given the architecture, the NT kernel couldn't scale to the demands?

I'm terrified at the prospect of MS owning the desktop market AND the server market, but as history has shown us that once MSFT targets a market, they more often than not overtake it. Having enough cash in the bank to buy Sun outright in a hostile takeover certainly doesn't hurt their prospects either. That's the capability for alot of R&D and manpower.