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ymmit · Apr 20, 2003, 01:58 PM

Hi all.

I'm a student, novice user of SunONE (or forte as it was formerly called) on the PC platform.

I'm a new owner of a 12" PB and I will need to use SunONE, or any alternative java IDE, on it.

usage: simple java apps, jsp, tomcat etc.

I went to Sun and couldn't find a Mac version of SunONE.

Question 1: technically, I can run the UNIX/Linux version of SunONE on my mac. Anyone got experience installing that version on a Mac?

Question 2: What other java IDEs would you recommend? I like the all encompassing nature of SunONE. jjedit looks too simplified, and I can't get a copy of JBuilder. I heard CodeWarrior is good, but aren't they killing off their OS X version of it?

Any advice in general of java development tools would be much appretiated.

Thanks.

brianchff · Apr 20, 2003, 05:37 PM

Hey,

I'm not sure about a Mac-specific version of Forte. I've been doing Java dev on the Mac for a while. At work I use NetBeans (www.netbeans.org). It's opensource and is based upon Forte.

Just my .02

-Brian

holygoat · Apr 20, 2003, 06:01 PM

There is an OSX (Carbon) version of Eclipse available, which you may want to try.

Here's a mirror FTP:

http://ftp-stud.fht-esslingen.de/pub...-200303211418/

It's a good IDE, and improving all the time. Also works in Linux, Solaris and Windows.

depolitic · Apr 20, 2003, 10:23 PM

SunONE or Forte run's on OSX fine. SunONE is simple SUN taking NetBeans which is based on the original Forte code base. Then branding it and adding some SUN specific additions like AOL does with Mozilla to create Netscape.

You will need to download the cross platform (unsupported version) of SunONE, and it will install fine.

Their is a thread on this board on how to install it on OSX - do a search. It is currently not supported version of SunONE for OS X, but let�s keeps the pressure up on SUN.

But you could just use NetBeans since it is the same thing. Unless you want that SUN feel.

bousozoku · Apr 20, 2003, 11:07 PM

I happen to like jGrasp from Auburn University. It's like enough to be quick and can launch and debug applications and applets.

It also works for Objective-C and Ada, if you have a need there.

It's at http://www.eng.auburn.edu/cse/resear..._groups/grasp/

ymmit · Apr 21, 2003, 01:10 AM

thanks guys for the tips.

NetBeans really looks like what SunONE does.

I haven't tried jGrasp, will probably try it later on.

i heard eclipse is still rather slow on a mac and it doesn't have an aqua interface. Anyone have any complaints about it?

Thanks so much for your advice so far.

Arkham_c · Apr 21, 2003, 11:15 AM

Originally posted by ymmit:
i heard eclipse is still rather slow on a mac and it doesn't have an aqua interface. Anyone have any complaints about it?

Eclipse is a bit slow on my 600Mhz iBook, but I like it. It definitely DOES have a native aqua interface.

I never liked JBuilder -- too bulky, slow, and complicated.

Another option to consider if using Apple's own Project Builder. It's free, and it lets you write java apps in addition to Cocoa. I doubt it integrates with tomcat though (but probably could with WebObjects).

absmiths · May 9, 2003, 03:28 PM

Originally posted by ymmit:
i heard eclipse is still rather slow on a mac and it doesn't have an aqua interface. Anyone have any complaints about it?

SunONE is rather slow as well - don't expect too much.

absmiths · May 9, 2003, 03:32 PM

Originally posted by ymmit:
I heard CodeWarrior is good, but aren't they killing off their OS X version of it?

That would be a shame if they did - they basically priced themselves out of the market that I am in (hobbyist/shareware author) so I haven't owned a license for a while - but they bridged the PPC gap for Apple when Symantec couldn't.

I guess it's good that they diversified if this is true. Ever since Motorola bought them out they haven't been as Mac friendly.

itai195 · May 9, 2003, 04:06 PM

Originally posted by absmiths:
That would be a shame if they did - they basically priced themselves out of the market that I am in (hobbyist/shareware author) so I haven't owned a license for a while - but they bridged the PPC gap for Apple when Symantec couldn't.

I guess it's good that they diversified if this is true. Ever since Motorola bought them out they haven't been as Mac friendly.

No, CodeWarrior for Mac has definitely not been killed off. The rumor is that the PALM version for Mac is being killed off, which seems reasonable enough considering that there doesn't seem to be much of a Mac community developing Palm apps.

Eclipse is a bit slow on my 600Mhz iBook, but I like it. It definitely DOES have a native aqua interface.

I never liked JBuilder -- too bulky, slow, and complicated.

Hmm, I like Eclipse, but on my PowerMac it is definitely more sluggish than JBuilder. I like the GUI in Eclipse more, and you get some JBuilder's nice features for free, but there is no UI builder in Eclipse and the CVS integration isn't as nice. Still, a very decent IDE. I'll stick with JBuilder though, personally.