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Apr 4, 2004, 05:54 PM
 
A search here showed only a few very old threads on how to get search engine robots to *hit* one's site.

Specifically, I didn't find any reference to submit-it.com or submitfire.com etc which charge $50-$80 yearly to "keep your name submitted to the major search engines". And I've got a guy in my networking group that wants to *sell* his service to people to "drive up visits" to their web sites. Thoughts?

Is this really necessary? If my site is FOUND already (and appears in Google searches, etc) but is not very high up on the searches... will this even help at all? or would I have to find some ways to get other people to put links to my site to improve its ranking?

Someone in an old thread here mentioned the value of setting up a yahoo page just to have link to my main page. Does that really have any significance.

Thanks for any insights -- I'm feeling skeptical about the "advice" I'm getting out there.
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Apr 8, 2004, 11:37 AM
 
Free "bump" !

I'd love to know about this too... Anybody? I've heard that I can list directly with Google and that they will then keep checking my site... but like you - I wonder if these paid services would really do anything for me?
     
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Apr 8, 2004, 11:51 AM
 
check your logs.

if googlebot crawls your site (should happen every few weeks), then your site is indexed with the most popular search engine in the world. It behooves other competing search engines to update their listings as well, whether you submit to them or not, because if they don't update their indices, then they get overlooked.

Once you are listed with google, then all you need to do is try to boost your rating. The best advice for that is to write good and clean code. Use the alt tag to describe images and be sure that your meta tags are written concisely.

Have other sites provide links to your site. Google refers to that as reverse poularity index or something. It means that your site is more popular, and will rank better.

Finally, look at the sites that come up first in your searches and figure out what it is that makes their site better ranked.

There is no exact science to get better rankings because google changes their methods without warning. Also, google et al don't disclose a lot of details about how they keep their indices, so there's a guessing game involved to an extent. I suspect they'll be changing things up a bit soon because it seems that some people have figured how to get more hits to their sites and affiliate sites.
     
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Apr 18, 2004, 11:01 AM
 
Basically everything registered_user said is true. And one warning about the paid submission services -- generally, they don't help anything, because Google and Yahoo are not responsive to multiple submissions over a short period of time. In fact, their indexing program is sensitive to this and ignores it, and their submission guidelines state that you can be banned for this process.

Essentially, good SEO comes from several things. First, extremely clean, content-heavy code. (This is where Flash fails miserably.) Second, links and lots of them. Get people to link to you; one small Yahoo personal page is not going to help at all. There is a reason Wired.com pops up so high in search results -- everyone links to their stories!

For more information, I suggest the following resources:

Using XHTML/CSS for an Effective SEO Campaign (ALA)
Search Engine Optimization Forums
SEO article on my site
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