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janmc · Apr 20, 2004, 03:48 PM

is there software that will clean up html pages? i used word, dreamweaver and front page at different stages on a web site and would like to strip the pages of all the rubbish they put in!

thanks in advance,
Jan

Millennium · Apr 20, 2004, 03:58 PM

Your best bet is Terry Teague's MacTidy, at http://www.geocities.com/terry_teague/tidy.html

This should do just about everything you need. There's a BBEdit plugin too, in case you use that.

philzilla · Apr 21, 2004, 05:20 AM

i'd be interested to know what "rubbish" you think Dreamweaver adds to your code. GoLive, yes; that outputs some messy code. Dreamweaver doesn't particularly add anything that i can think i wouldn't add if i was coding by hand.

Simon Mundy · Apr 21, 2004, 09:15 AM

Originally posted by philzilla:
i'd be interested to know what "rubbish" you think Dreamweaver adds to your code. GoLive, yes; that outputs some messy code. Dreamweaver doesn't particularly add anything that i can think i wouldn't add if i was coding by hand.

Hmmm... lets see now...

Code:
<script language="JavaScript">
<!--
function MM_findObj(n, d) { //v4.0
  var p,i,x;  if(!d) d=document; if((p=n.indexOf("?"))>0&&parent.frames.length) {
    d=parent.frames[n.substring(p+1)].document; n=n.substring(0,p);}
  if(!(x=d[n])&&d.all) x=d.all[n]; for (i=0;!x&&i<d.forms.length;i++) x=d.forms[i][n];
  for(i=0;!x&&d.layers&&i<d.layers.length;i++) x=MM_findObj(n,d.layers[i].document);
  if(!x && document.getElementById) x=document.getElementById(n); return x;
}

function MM_preloadImages() { //v3.0
  var d=document; if(d.images){ if(!d.MM_p) d.MM_p=new Array();
    var i,j=d.MM_p.length,a=MM_preloadImages.arguments; for(i=0; i<a.length; i++)
    if (a[i].indexOf("#")!=0){ d.MM_p[j]=new Image; d.MM_p[j++].src=a[i];}}
}

function MM_swapImgRestore() { //v3.0
  var i,x,a=document.MM_sr; for(i=0;a&&i<a.length&&(x=a[i])&&x.oSrc;i++) x.src=x.oSrc;
}

function MM_swapImage() { //v3.0
  var i,j=0,x,a=MM_swapImage.arguments; document.MM_sr=new Array; for(i=0;i<(a.length-2);i+=3)
   if ((x=MM_findObj(a[i]))!=null){document.MM_sr[j++]=x; if(!x.oSrc) x.oSrc=x.src; x.src=a[i+2];}
}

//-->
</script>
</head>
<body leftmargin="0" topmargin="0" marginwidth="0" marginheight="0" background="gfx/home/background.gif" onLoad="MM_preloadImages('gfx/home/oval_two_over.gif','gfx/home/oval_one_over.gif','gfx/home/oval_three_over.gif','gfx/home/oval_four_over.gif','gfx/home/oval_five_over.gif',
'gfx/home/background.jpg','gfx/home/blob1.jpg',
'gfx/home/blob1_over.jpg','gfx/home/blob2.jpg',
'gfx/home/blob2_over.jpg','gfx/home/blob3.jpg',
'gfx/home/blob3_over.jpg','gfx/home/blob4.jpg',
'gfx/home/blob4_over.jpg','gfx/home/blob5.jpg',
'gfx/home/blob5_over.jpg','gfx/home/blob6.jpg',
'gfx/home/blob6_over.jpg','gfx/home/blob7.jpg',
'gfx/home/blob7_over.jpg','gfx/home/blob8.jpg',
'gfx/home/blob8_over.jpg','gfx/home/blob9.jpg',
'gfx/home/blob9_over.jpg','gfx/home/blob10.jpg',
'gfx/home/blob10_over.jpg','gfx/home/blob11.jpg',
'gfx/home/blob11_over.jpg','gfx/home/blob12.jpg',
'gfx/home/blob12_over.jpg')" bgcolor="#4F56B1">

Not that GoLive's is much better, it's just that all the 'default' WYSIWYG javascript, comments and extra unnecessary attributes seem plain icky.

BTW, this was code that was given to me - I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT, OK!!!

philzilla · Apr 21, 2004, 10:32 AM

Originally posted by Simon Mundy:
BTW, this was code that was given to me - I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT, OK!!!

yeah yeah, that's your story and you're sticking to it, right?

okay, i forgot about all that javascript. i usually just throw all that in its own file anyway, and then call it from each page it's needed on. much better.

janmc · Apr 21, 2004, 05:02 PM

I used the 'save as web page' tool in Word... I know it's very lazy, but I had to get a site up quickly. Even my basic knowledge of html tells me there's far too much rubbish in the code - but unfortunately I don't know enough to clean it up myself! Also, it would take far too long for all the pages.

DUNSEL · Apr 21, 2004, 05:50 PM

There's more reason than just that not to use Word. It has non-printing characters which can mess up your page.

philzilla · Apr 21, 2004, 06:01 PM

ugh. Word's HTML. i think i'd rather have my gonads replaced with red hot coals, than have to deal with that mess.

skalie · Apr 22, 2004, 01:59 AM

Originally posted by philzilla:
ugh. Word's HTML. i think i'd rather have my gonads replaced with red hot coals, than have to deal with that mess.

That should be an option.

nsxpower · Apr 22, 2004, 04:12 AM

Dreamweaver produces reasonably clean code, but your pages will not validate because DW does not close some tags, "JavaScript" etc.

MS Word?!?! What are you smoking, cuz I want some of that

Oh well, I'll just get back into my box.

janmc · Apr 22, 2004, 12:54 PM

i know, i know! it's just that i had a load of word documents with tables and i took a shortcut. now i'm stuck with ugly ugly script. it will take forever from scratch and redo them.

Synotic · Apr 22, 2004, 02:30 PM

http://textism.com/wordcleaner/

janmc · Apr 24, 2004, 12:44 PM

Thanks - that textism thing is brilliant. The MacTidy was too complicated for my non-using Terminal self

wataru · Apr 28, 2004, 12:23 AM

Originally posted by philzilla:
ugh. Word's HTML. i think i'd rather have my gonads replaced with red hot coals, than have to deal with that mess.

I once cleaned up a large file converted from Word to HTML. It went from 500KB to around 70KB.

thePurpleGiant · Apr 28, 2004, 12:44 AM

Originally posted by wataru:
I once cleaned up a large file converted from Word to HTML. It went from 500KB to around 70KB.

I once looked at a HTML file from Word. I couldn't sleep for weeks. That thing was scary!