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A little background to start...
I use and generally like GoLive. My gf uses and likes Dreamweaver, and despises GoLive. At her university job she was supplied with an ibook with cs2 installed and nothing else.
Situation...
Her current task is to build a project website. For the past few weeks she has been using GoLive, has picked it up quickly and found its quirks. Yesterday she was speaking with the head of web development for the university and he insisted that she switch to Dreamwear. He claims the university will "never support" anything created with GoLive because it adds "additional metta information around things such as tables and grids. This additional information renders the final file un-editable by normal conventions when wanting to add something simple such as new page text."
Is it just me or is he out of his mind ? Yes, GoLive has been accused, and rightly so, of producing bloated code. However I have never found or had any issues editing files created with GoLive in text wrangler, bbedit, or taco. Neither has anyone I have ever built a site for. Then claiming to never support anything created in GoLive seems to be a bit short sighted. Especially since adobe now owns Dreamwearer. I would imagine useful functions of Dreamweaver would get sucked into future releases of GoLive, Dreamweaver would become Adobified or simply disappear all together.
Sorry your lackys have a problem editing it Word.
Anyway... it just sort of pissed me off and I needed to vent about it.
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For what it's worth, I think I understand the guy's point of view. WYSIWYG editors tend to create a LOT of code to look at. That's the reason I don't use them. It's not that you can't edit them, it's just that it's a pain to do so. I write my pages by hand and they are generated on the fly. So single page changes are pretty easy.
I also manage a website that was developed in Dreamweaver. For all the good that it does, I tried to make a new page for the site in emacs, and it was too much trouble to go through all that code. I was fortunate to have Dreamweaver available to me to continue the development. Otherwise I would have been up to my neck wading through the code-jungle.
I think it's a matter of preference. Having said that, his claim that it's alltogether un-editable is false. I can appreciate your position.
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I would bet it would be GoLive that would get the axe rather than Dreamweaver. GoLive was a great app until Adobe got a hold of it. I don't really care for Dreamweaver either. They are both way too bloated.
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Dreamweaver doesn't add any code you don't need or can't edit.
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Join Date: Aug 2001
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Originally Posted by SirCastor
For what it's worth, I think I understand the guy's point of view. WYSIWYG editors tend to create a LOT of code to look at. That's the reason I don't use them. It's not that you can't edit them, it's just that it's a pain to do so. I write my pages by hand and they are generated on the fly. So single page changes are pretty easy.
I also manage a website that was developed in Dreamweaver. For all the good that it does, I tried to make a new page for the site in emacs, and it was too much trouble to go through all that code. I was fortunate to have Dreamweaver available to me to continue the development. Otherwise I would have been up to my neck wading through the code-jungle.
SirCastor is right. hand coding is the ONLY WAY - when will you weaklings get it?! muhaahaahaa!!!
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Maybe DreamWeaver 4 or something. My code that I write in Studio 8 ius pretty clean, but I write alot of it by hand. Now, if you have a page that is all CSS and start trying to add extra fonts on the fly and what not, then yeah, it does get a pretty ugly.
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Think yourselves all very very lucky.
I've just landed a job where have to throw websites together using a web based interface.
No ftp access.
You can access the code, it's horrible, a <br /> is automatically turned into a <BR>, the one fantastic menu that you can add items to is a dynamic drive jobbie from 2002, you can change the background colours however, wow.
Personally I'd like to be able to access the stylesheet and do positioning with one click instead of eight. I'd also like be able to turn off the style sheet, I'd also like to assign a font-family to a piece of text as opposed to a font.
Limited ftp access is possible if you buy the application as opposed to leasing it, here's the catch, it needs MS SQL to run, so after buying the application you have to pay more to host it then it costs to lease it.  Try and sell that concept to a boss.
My current plan is to remake all the application's functionality in php and mysql, it's not a biggy, just a cms and multi-lingual support, much more satisifying and maybe even easier than trying to tweak a site using the provided inteface.
I shouldn't be ranting, it's Sunday.
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Join Date: Jan 2001
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Originally Posted by skalie
Think yourselves all very very lucky.
I've just landed a job where have to throw websites together using a web based interface.
No ftp access.
You can access the code, it's horrible, a <br /> is automatically turned into a <BR>, the one fantastic menu that you can add items to is a dynamic drive jobbie from 2002, you can change the background colours however, wow.
Personally I'd like to be able to access the stylesheet and do positioning with one click instead of eight. I'd also like be able to turn off the style sheet, I'd also like to assign a font-family to a piece of text as opposed to a font.
Limited ftp access is possible if you buy the application as opposed to leasing it, here's the catch, it needs MS SQL to run, so after buying the application you have to pay more to host it then it costs to lease it. Try and sell that concept to a boss.
My current plan is to remake all the application's functionality in php and mysql, it's not a biggy, just a cms and multi-lingual support, much more satisifying and maybe even easier than trying to tweak a site using the provided inteface.
I shouldn't be ranting, it's Sunday.
Holy Cow... I feel for ya dude. That sounds painful. I hate it when programs try to be smarter than you.
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