[Liman Wong]

Which is a good development environment? How about RealBasic? How is its performance?

Any comment?

[sadie]

Ok, so this is going to sound like an echo, but I think Cocoa is a great environment to be learning in.

When you're learning to program, you learn a lot of your long-term habits from your first big language. If you have a good language and toolkit to start with, you'll likely end up a better programmer.

Objective-C is simpler and purer than Java, and teaches you better lessons for the future. Meanwhile, both Java and C are better than C++, or (in my humble opinion) any variety of Basic.

And if you know any version of C, you'll be more employable than knowing a variant of Basic.



ps - Apple's development tools for Cocoa are free. RealBasic costs money.

[parallax]

I agree with every point sadie made. BASIC and the likes teach you terrible programming habits.

[Angus_D]

RB doesn't teach you terribly bad programming habits, in general. It is really useful for getting into objects.

But RB is buggy as sh*t, slow, bloated, the apps it produces are at least 1mb for no apparant reason, and it just in general sucks. Oh, and REALsoftware are pretty lame too. Also, Lorin is an idiot.

[sadie]

Lorin? Who's Lorin?

[parallax]

Lorin is apparently the product manager of REAL software.