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OMG! O'Reilly BOOKS FOR MAC!
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If you've never read an O'Reilly Book before, they're truly excellent. They typically cover a topic from absolute beginner to rather advanced in only 300-1000 pages. I was always disheartened that O'Reilly had never released ANYTHING for Mac (the closest thing was a CodeWarrior for Palm book). Well, I logged onto the Apple Developer page today and was treated to THIS among the random images that appear on the frontpage:
I'm so excited!!!! 
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Thanks for bringing that to attention. I had absolutely no idea that O'Reilly would ever make OS X dev books.
Hey! Is that Clarus?
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"Against stupidity, the gods themselves contend in vain" (Schiller)
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They always have the bio of the cover animal in the back of the book. It would be interesting to see what they say if it IS Claris 
Oh, and I was wrong above. O'Reilly *does* have one Mac book: AppleScript in a Nutshell.
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The published "Real Basic - The Definitive Guide" quite some time ago - Ok, that's a book about a Mac application, rather than about the Mac itself, but it's close enough.
They also have a whole series of "Missing Manual" books, although these are different to the 'standard' O'Reilly books.
I've pre-ordered my "Learning Cocoa" book already from Amazon - it's something like 700 in the best sellers already...
I'd like to see them publish a book about the OS itself - a systems administrator's guide or something. All their Unix-related books are relevant for MacOS X though.
Still, this is great news. 'bout time too.
...and if you've never looked at an O'Reilly book you don't know what you are missing. Simply so much better than any others that it's not funny.
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This is really, really cool. If nothing else it lends a certain credibility amongst non-mac (particularly UNIX) developers.
Woo-hoo!
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Originally posted by Gee4orce:
The published "Real Basic - The Definitive Guide"
I have that book. But REALbasic is so incomplete, it's hard for me to think of it as something worth developing with.
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ya, o'reilly is the utlimate cred for OS X. Clarus - o Clarus, please exist beyond classic!
how sad it is to see a fisher price character in the page setup dialog.
Mooooooooooooooooooooooooof!
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yes! After worrying about incomplete documentation from Apple, we now have something infinitely better to work with.
sadie is happy.
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Originally posted by mr_sonicblue:
I have that book. But REALbasic is so incomplete, it's hard for me to think of it as something worth developing with.
??? in what way incomplete ? It's not supposed to be a replacement for Project Builder / Interface Builder. It's more of a Visual Basic for the Mac.
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Originally posted by Gee4orce:
??? in what way incomplete ? It's not supposed to be a replacement for Project Builder / Interface Builder. It's more of a Visual Basic for the Mac.
VB can be expanded with controls created in other languages. Can you expand REALbasic this way (I don't think you can, but I could be wrong)?
For Windows developement, people often create control classes in C++ (for speed) and put them together in VB (for ease). That's an important role that REALbasic doesn't play.
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You can create REALbasic controls in C++ using the plugins SDk, but I don't know if it's terribly easily REALbasic is actually pretty extensible, but it still sucks
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Not to mention that it uses BASIC.......which seems rather primitive now that I know C/C++/Objective-C.
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Well, it's a spinoff of Visual Basic, which bears no resemblance to the BASIC of olde! 
tooki
P.S. My contact at O'Reilly has told me that sample chapters from their OS X books will be available on their website in the next few weeks. I will be sure to post links as soon as I get them. O'Reilly is also releasing a book on AppleScript!! YAY!!!!! See http://mac.oreilly.com/ .
[This message has been edited by tooki (edited 04-14-2001).]
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Originally posted by mr_sonicblue:
Not to mention that it uses BASIC.......which seems rather primitive now that I know C/C++/Objective-C.
I used to think Java was the Bee's Knees (tm) until I tried Objective-C. Now I'm worried that C++ will be a step downwards. (and from what I've seen of C#, i won't even bother worrying).
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