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walter99 · Apr 20, 2002, 02:36 PM

Hi, I'm looking forward to get an ADC-Student-Membership, but I'm still not sure, if it's worth the money.

Can anyone tell me, what are the exact benefits (yeah, I've read the benefits-pdf from the Apple-Site). So for example, if Apple releases Systemsoftware-Updates (like 10.2) do student-members get them for free? Are there any discounts on software or hardware worth noting (besides WebObjects and the once-in-a-lifetime discount on Apple-Hardware)?

TIA

Walter

metfoo · Apr 20, 2002, 02:58 PM

Its worth every dollar. Each month you get a developer tools CD set. Some months its just a CD, som emonths its more. You also get OS updates. I recieved OS 10.1.3 on cd about a month ago with the latest release of developer tools. I also have OS 9.2.1 in almost every language you can imagine, all of which they had sent me.

The OS updates sometimes will ship to you in the retail CD's like 10.1.3 did, or in the developer CD's, like 10.1 and 9.2.x did.

So, if you have the 100.00 then go for it. Its well worth it. Oh yeah, you also get like a 20% discount. I plan on using mine this summer when the second release of the new iMacs are introduced.

Rickster · Apr 20, 2002, 03:33 PM

Also, it's easy for ADC Student members to get scholarships to WWDC. It's a lot easier to go there when you only have to pay airfare and lodging, and not airfare and lodging + $1500.

mahrz · Apr 20, 2002, 05:33 PM

Originally posted by walter99:
Hi, I'm looking forward to get an ADC-Student-Membership, but I'm still not sure, if it's worth the money.

Can anyone tell me, what are the exact benefits (yeah, I've read the benefits-pdf from the Apple-Site). So for example, if Apple releases Systemsoftware-Updates (like 10.2) do student-members get them for free? Are there any discounts on software or hardware worth noting (besides WebObjects and the once-in-a-lifetime discount on Apple-Hardware)?

TIA

Walter

Does anybode know if I can become an adc student member if i'm not 18 years old ?

Justin W. Williams · Apr 20, 2002, 06:47 PM

Originally posted by mahrz:


Does anybode know if I can become an adc student member if i'm not 18 years old ?

Doubtful. Apple is not really fond of under-18's from what I read about that kid that was helping with thet Darwin project, but got cut off when they found he was like 16.

deharlow · Apr 20, 2002, 08:40 PM

The Student Developer page (http://developer.apple.com/students/#description) clearly says you must be 18 or older to join the program. The reason that it is restricted to those over 18 is that you have to be 18+ to legally sign a contract (or the NDA in the case of the developer connection). So though you might be upset that you cannot join if you are under 18 Apple does not have much choice.

As if it is worth it, it is assuming you plan to develop for the platform.

Daniel

mahrz · Apr 21, 2002, 03:29 AM

Originally posted by deharlow:
The Student Developer page (http://developer.apple.com/students/#description) clearly says you must be 18 or older to join the program. The reason that it is restricted to those over 18 is that you have to be 18+ to legally sign a contract (or the NDA in the case of the developer connection). So though you might be upset that you cannot join if you are under 18 Apple does not have much choice.

As if it is worth it, it is assuming you plan to develop for the platform.

Daniel

I'm not sure if it's same in germany. In germany I can sign a contract at the age of 16. Also my parents could sign the contract for me and they would be liable for me.

deharlow · Apr 21, 2002, 04:59 PM

Originally posted by mahrz:


I'm not sure if it's same in germany. In germany I can sign a contract at the age of 16. Also my parents could sign the contract for me and they would be liable for me.

I am not sure what the situation is for those in other countries so you will want to contact Apple to get clarification if you are not in the United States. Also for those in the USA (and maybe other countries) be aware that the NDA specifies the Governing Law of the agreement as California State law.

Daniel

BTW I remember when Apple used to allow the parents to sign the NDAs for those under 18 but I believe they stopped that a while back but it might be worth checking on with Apple.

[ 04-21-2002: Message edited by: deharlow ]

Angus_D · Apr 22, 2002, 02:14 PM

You can't. I wasn't even able to be an Online member, and they have changed their agreement thing on their site so it now clearly says "by clicking agree you certify that you are at least 18 years or older", or something to that effect. It doesn't matter whether you're in the US, Germany, Turkey or Outer Mongolia, Apple don't care about alienating their young blood. Anyway, enough ranting.

mahrz · Apr 22, 2002, 03:37 PM

Originally posted by Angus_D:
You can't. I wasn't even able to be an Online member, and they have changed their agreement thing on their site so it now clearly says "by clicking agree you certify that you are at least 18 years or older", or something to that effect. It doesn't matter whether you're in the US, Germany, Turkey or Outer Mongolia, Apple don't care about alienating their young blood. Anyway, enough ranting.

So I have to get their dev tools (+system) in another way ....

Don't Apple dare not even a bit of responsibility to their young developers ?

[ 04-22-2002: Message edited by: mahrz ]

skipjack · Apr 22, 2002, 03:53 PM

Originally posted by mahrz:


So I have to get their dev tools (+system) in another way ....

Don't Apple dare not even a bit of responsibility to their young developers ?

[ 04-22-2002: Message edited by: mahrz ]

Please clarify this. If you do not have the system (OS X) you cannot use the development tools, so you must mean something else by "(+system)". I was under the impression that the retail OS X package comes with the development tools.

Arakageeta256 · Apr 22, 2002, 09:28 PM

I have a friend that landed an internship at Apple through the contacts he made as a student developer. I think it would be well worth it.

walter99 · Apr 23, 2002, 01:01 AM

OK, thanks to all - I purchased the ADC-Student-Membership on sunday

I'm sure it was the right decision.

walter

iJed · Apr 23, 2002, 02:10 AM

Originally posted by walter99:
OK, thanks to all - I purchased the ADC-Student-Membership on sunday

I'm sure it was the right decision.

walter

I purchased one yesterday!

mahrz · Apr 23, 2002, 04:03 AM

Originally posted by skipjack:


Please clarify this. If you do not have the system (OS X) you cannot use the development tools, so you must mean something else by "(+system)". I was under the impression that the retail OS X package comes with the development tools.

Yes I got the original dev tools when I bought OSX, but for example :how can I get the new april dev tools if I have no access to the adc membership (not even online membership)?

skipjack · Apr 23, 2002, 04:58 AM

Originally posted by mahrz:


Yes I got the original dev tools when I bought OSX, but for example :how can I get the new april dev tools if I have no access to the adc membership (not even online membership)?

Thanks for the clarification. I see your point now and will try to find an answer. As for getting the tools another way, I'm sure they will be offered on eBay. I've seen the tools on sale for $1 to $5, but never paid attention if anyone really bought them. I'm not saying that eBay is acceptable, but until there's a better answer, it's just a suggestion.

Ben Jansen · Apr 24, 2002, 01:41 AM

Originally posted by mahrz:


Yes I got the original dev tools when I bought OSX, but for example :how can I get the new april dev tools if I have no access to the adc membership (not even online membership)?

I would just sign up for an ADC Online membership anyway. Or have your parents do it, and use their account. Apple isn't going to come after you with their legal department for wanting updated dev tools.

skipjack · Apr 24, 2002, 11:30 PM

As reported by ThinkSecret based on the 24 April shareholders' meeting:

17-year-old developer. Speaking on the 17-year-old student developer whose Darwin program membership was terminated by Apple -- to much notice by the press -- Jobs said that news stories on this were "untrue" and that his age was not an issue, as Apple head counsel Nancy Heinan clarified that a legal guardian can allow minors to participate in the program. Jobs contended that the student "did not follow certain rules," but he refused to comment further.

Angus_D · Apr 26, 2002, 04:33 PM

Originally posted by skipjack:
As reported by ThinkSecret based on the 24 April shareholders' meeting:

17-year-old developer. Speaking on the 17-year-old student developer whose Darwin program membership was terminated by Apple -- to much notice by the press -- Jobs said that news stories on this were "untrue" and that his age was not an issue, as Apple head counsel Nancy Heinan clarified that a legal guardian can allow minors to participate in the program. Jobs contended that the student "did not follow certain rules," but he refused to comment further.

It wouldn't be wise for me to comment on this at the moment, but hopefully I will soon.