[timmerk]

So where is it? Anyone know when it will come out? Before Jan?

Anyone use it? Tell us!

[larkost]

It is part of the new developer's tools that are going out to some ADC members today. It seems however, that it requires some system updates that are part of the 10.1.2 update that has been seeded to a limited number of developers, and thus AppleScript Studio is only available to them for the moment. This does say good things about it being generally available in the near future however.

[foamy]

So is it still called Apple Script Studio or ASS ?
Let's just hope is doesn't suck ASS!

[Sine]

Originally posted by foamy:
<STRONG>So is it still called Apple Script Studio or ASS ?
Let's just hope is doesn't suck ASS!</STRONG>

And this post is worth bandwidth how?

[theolein]

Does anyone know the price or more or less how much it will cost?

[rgoer]

Unless <A HREF="http://www.google.com/search?q="zaphod+beeblebrox"" TARGET=_blank>Zaphod Beeblebrox</A> actuates the improbability drive, Apple will be keeping with their current pricing scheme for developer tools: zero dollars, American.

[IEEE1394]

Originally posted by Sine:
<STRONG>


And this post is worth bandwidth how?</STRONG>

And your post about telling people to reserve bandwith is worth bandwith how?

[Scrod]

Originally posted by IEEE1394:
<STRONG>

And your post about telling people to reserve bandwith is worth bandwith how? </STRONG>

And my post asking you why yours is worth bandwidth is... DOH.

[Sine]

Originally posted by IEEE1394:
<STRONG>

And your post about telling people to reserve bandwith is worth bandwith how? </STRONG>

I was making a point to him..

In this thread http://forums.macnn.com/cgi-bin/ulti...6&amp;t=001562

He claimed my post about Aqua weirdness was a waste of bandwidth.. then right after he said that.. he makes the ASS post. I found it humorous.

[ 12-05-2001: Message edited by: Sine ]

[Adam Betts]

foamy, your post was worth 1/10 of bandwidth since it is related to AppleScript Studio, but I'm not going to call it ASS because it doesn't suck. At least, give us your reason why you think it *could* suck ass? Haven't you tried programming applescript in either 9 or X? AppleScript Studio is almost similar to programming applescript as right now but it offer you 99% customizable for your comp with better tools and GUI. You can even do complex things that applescript couldn't do.

Sine, I totally understand how you felt about foamy's post in your other forum but I think we should stay on the topics instead of talking about bandwidth, alright At least if you talked about something related to AppleScript Studio and it wouldn't be wasted of bandwidth here

Now I won't waste the bandwidth by posting this. Now, about the AppleScript Studio...
Last time I've heard, Steve Jobs said that it will be shipping by January (most likely it will be shown there in macworld expo)

[suthercd]

Apple's Chris Nebel stated on the AS List right after Thanksgiving that it would be released as stated by year end. He went on to say that meant somewhere between now and 33 days.

Got it last night and I am exploring. Reading back through the info on Apple's site, there is more info about it there than I realized.

Craig

[foamy]

Let the electrons flow!

I posted because in the world of Apple ****ups, I personally think that naming a scripting tool something that has the acronym ASS is logs (maybe 10e3 to 10e4 ) times more worthy of bandwith than, "ohhhh look this code draws 1 widget, 1px off."

So what I was really getting at is, are there better names that Apple could use in lieu of AppleScript Studio (ASS)?

[Agent69]

Applescript Studio looks really cool to me, although I was hoping not to have to install the entire developer suite just to use it.

Although I know doubt it will be, it is my hope that Applescript Studio will be something that even a beginner (novice, like myself) programmer will find useful. I really had fun with Hypercard back in 1992 on my Powerbook 100.

(I really think that Apple didn't realize how great Hypercard actually was, especially when it was free for authoring)


Agent69

[velocitychannel]

Originally posted by Agent69:
<STRONG>Although I know doubt it will be, it is my hope that Applescript Studio will be something that even a beginner (novice, like myself) programmer will find useful.
</STRONG>

I think it will be. If you have every used FaceSpan, I'm thinking it will be like that. Or a combination of that and building Cocoa apps.

I imagine building the interface in Interface Builder and then attaching code to the objects in Project Builder. Could be wrong.

Has anyone used it? Impressions? Am I on the wrong path?

[Sine]

Originally posted by foamy:
<STRONG>Let the electrons flow!

I posted because in the world of Apple ****ups, I personally think that naming a scripting tool something that has the acronym ASS is logs (maybe 10e3 to 10e4 ) times more worthy of bandwith than, "ohhhh look this code draws 1 widget, 1px off."

So what I was really getting at is, are there better names that Apple could use in lieu of AppleScript Studio (ASS)?</STRONG>

[Synotic]

Originally posted by velocitychannel:
<STRONG>

I think it will be. If you have every used FaceSpan, I'm thinking it will be like that. Or a combination of that and building Cocoa apps.

I imagine building the interface in Interface Builder and then attaching code to the objects in Project Builder. Could be wrong.

Has anyone used it? Impressions? Am I on the wrong path? </STRONG>

I'd also like to know how it works. I really liked how Dialog Studio functioned in OS 9, although it really didn't have any other choice being a scripting addition.

You would just download an app, make the interface, and it would generate some code that you could copy into your script and you applied functions to the objects like buttons, list boxes etc... this way, you could just have a normal compiled script.. but at any time you could call up a nice looking handler.

I would use Dialog Studio in my rather large (184 KB that's 5 and 3/4 more than Script Editor's limit ) Trivia script for ircle. It would just function as a normal script that looked for the correct answers and such. But when you typed "/tquest" a dialog appeared with all the questions available to edit. There were buttons like "Add", "Edit" and I even had a little find option.

Is something like this possible with AppleScript Studio? Or must they all just be normal apps?

[Jim Paradise]

Good ol' Trivia script in Ircle...

[ 12-06-2001: Message edited by: Jim Paradise ]

[Sine]

Originally posted by Jim Paradise:
<STRONG>Good ol' Trivia script in Ircle...

[ 12-06-2001: Message edited by: Jim Paradise ]</STRONG>

I've found Ircle to be bloated.. esp with scripts loaded. I've been using Snak lately. It can use Applescript or ircii scripts.

[Gee4orce]

Originally posted by Sine:
<STRONG>


And this post is worth bandwidth how?</STRONG>

More so than yours Sine -- at least it didn't have a .sig image...

[Jan Van Boghout]

Can ANYbody tell what it is like ?
Interface Builder + Project Builder ?
REALbasic ?
I personally would like something like RB , since I don't understand Cocoa .

[Sine]

Originally posted by Gee4orce:
<STRONG>

More so than yours Sine -- at least it didn't have a .sig image...</STRONG>

You obviously didn't get my point.

BTW

&lt;Pot&gt;
&lt;Kettle&gt;
&lt;Black&gt;

[wadesworld]

My understanding is it's available now, in the developer tools that were just released. (It's on my machine now, but I haven't had a chance to look at it)

The developer tools are available to select and premier developers now, and will be available to online members next week.

Wade

[Sine]

Originally posted by wadesworld:
<STRONG>My understanding is it's available now, in the developer tools that were just released. (It's on my machine now, but I haven't had a chance to look at it)

The developer tools are available to select and premier developers now, and will be available to online members next week.

Wade</STRONG>

So this is going to be a free product? Cool.
Will this replace Real Basic? is it that powerful?

[iSore]

It's getting close to the holidays, so let's all warm up for family time with some pointless bickering . . .

[Kickaha]

ASS (huh huh-huh) will be like InterfaceBuilder. In fact, speculation among dev circles is that it will *BE* IB, but with just the AS module in it. Getting IB (full, with Dev Tools) will get you the AS module as well, of course.

Yes, this replaces RB. Quite fully. I can't think of anything you can do in RB that you couldn't do in ASS. If the above speculation is correct, what Apple has done is to make AS a full peer dev environment for MacOS X by providing a hook layer between AS and the Cocoa UI libraries, hiding Cocoa from AS developers.

As for needing to know Cocoa... WHY? If you're in ASS, you're using AppleScript. Period. The UI building is drag and drop.

Ladies and gentleman... HyperCard 10.0.

[timmerk]

http://developer.apple.com/techpubs/...dio/index.html

This shows picts of it and tells you how to use it!

[rgoer]

Originally posted by Sine:
<STRONG>So this is going to be a free product?</STRONG>

Yes, you will be able to go to Apple's developer website and download the developer tools for free.

[ 12-06-2001: Message edited by: rgoer ]

[theolein]

Originally posted by foamy:
<STRONG>Let the electrons flow!

I posted because in the world of Apple ****ups, I personally think that naming a scripting tool something that has the acronym ASS is logs (maybe 10e3 to 10e4 ) times more worthy of bandwith than, "ohhhh look this code draws 1 widget, 1px off."

So what I was really getting at is, are there better names that Apple could use in lieu of AppleScript Studio (ASS)?</STRONG>

Yes, F.O.A.M.Y - The stuff that stays on top after trolling.

[Jan Van Boghout]

After looking at the tutorial from Apple , it does indeed look cool !
Maybe I will be able to actually write an app !
It seems like this is going to be MUCH better than REALbasic !
I can't wait !

[Sine]

Originally posted by Kickaha:
<STRONG>ASS (huh huh-huh) will be like InterfaceBuilder. In fact, speculation among dev circles is that it will *BE* IB, but with just the AS module in it. Getting IB (full, with Dev Tools) will get you the AS module as well, of course.

Yes, this replaces RB. Quite fully. I can't think of anything you can do in RB that you couldn't do in ASS. If the above speculation is correct, what Apple has done is to make AS a full peer dev environment for MacOS X by providing a hook layer between AS and the Cocoa UI libraries, hiding Cocoa from AS developers.

As for needing to know Cocoa... WHY? If you're in ASS, you're using AppleScript. Period. The UI building is drag and drop.

Ladies and gentleman... HyperCard 10.0.</STRONG>

That makes my pants fit tighter. I learned Applescript awhile back.. it might come in handy now

[Jan Van Boghout]

Originally posted by Sine:
<STRONG>


That makes my pants fit tighter. I learned Applescript awhile back.. it might come in handy now </STRONG>

Actually , I don't know anything about AppleScript . Is it similar to REALbasic ? Then I think I might just be able to learn it

[ 12-06-2001: Message edited by: Jan Van Boghout ]

[ 12-06-2001: Message edited by: Jan Van Boghout ]

[timmerk]

I just found out that online members can get it with the dev tools which come out in the week of 12/10.

edit: I forgot to mention that that means the 10.1.2 is coming out in a week, too!

[ 12-06-2001: Message edited by: timmerk ]

[Sine]

Originally posted by Jan Van Boghout:
<STRONG>

Actually , I don't know anything about AppleScript . Is it similar to REALbasic ? Then I think I might just be able to learn it

</STRONG>

Easier I think.

[Sal]

Glad to see all the excitement around AppleScript Studio.

Studio launches the beginning of revolution in Mac OS adoption and creativity. By making AppleScript a peer devopment language with Java and Objective C, Apple has made it easy for motivated users to create real, powerful native Mac OS X applications.

Personally, I can't wait to see what you guys come up with!

Thank you for your continued interest and support!

Sal Soghoian
AppleScript Product Manager

[Jim Paradise]

Sal! Great to see you again! Apple Script Studio looks like it's going to be awesome. I remember watching the keynote from MW in September there and being highly impressed with the direction you guys have taken with AppleScript. Keep up the awesome work.

[dogzilla]

Yes, thanks Sal. AppleScript Studio (what do *you* guys call it inhouse?) does seem like a worthy inheritor to HyperCard. Can't wait to get my hands on it.

BTW: Jim Paradise - love that sig almost as much as I love Bjork. Reminds me of a line from a Rolling Stone review of her second solo album: "Bjork is just like the girl next door. If next door happens to be the Andromeda Galaxy."

[Deicide]

Im sorry but from looking at the link above, AS doesn't look as powerful as RealBasic. RB can do databases, 3D games, windows apps, sprites and much more. Lets not overhype AS.

I'm still reading through the docs but how easy is it to say write the contents of a text field to a binary or text file? Is it like Revolution? Revolution does something like this.

put "text element" into "url://path/filename"

[ 12-06-2001: Message edited by: Deicide ]

[Jim Paradise]

dogzilla, Bjork is one of my favs!
"Bjork is just like the girl next door. If next door happens to be the Andromeda Galaxy." -That's an wicked line! I'll definitely have to share that one with a few of my friends. I grabbed the "puffin" line off a desktop background I found at Bjork's site (a nice site by the way and super pro-Apple).

[tie]

Originally posted by Deicide:
[QB]Im sorry but from looking at the link above, AS doesn't look as powerful as RealBasic. RB can do databases, 3D games, windows apps, sprites and much more. Lets not overhype AS. [QB]

Studio looks very helpful for some applications -- but no, id's not going to rewrite Quake 3 in applescript (nor in RealBasic).

[TC]

This is from the developer site:

“System Requirements

AppleScript Studio requires Mac OS X version 10.1.2 or later, or version 10.1.1 with the December 2001 Developer Tools CD install.”


So it looks like Apple could release Studio before the end of the year without releasing 10.1.2.

[timmerk]

Originally posted by TC:
<STRONG>This is from the developer site:

“System Requirements

AppleScript Studio requires Mac OS X version 10.1.2 or later, or version 10.1.1 with the December 2001 Developer Tools CD install.”


So it looks like Apple could release Studio before the end of the year without releasing 10.1.2.</STRONG>

I'm betting that Apple will release 10.1.2 within a few days of AppleScript Studio - AppleScript Studio probably runs better in 10.1.2 (bug fixes, etc)

[Synotic]

Originally posted by Deicide:
<STRONG>Im sorry but from looking at the link above, AS doesn't look as powerful as RealBasic. RB can do databases, 3D games, windows apps, sprites and much more. Lets not overhype AS.

I'm still reading through the docs but how easy is it to say write the contents of a text field to a binary or text file? Is it like Revolution? Revolution does something like this.

put "text element" into "url://path/filename"</STRONG>

write "text element" to "path:filename"

There are some other things like with eofs and creating the file if it doesn't exist, but that is the barebones.

I am also confused on how people say it will replace RealBASIC.... it was my impression that AppleScript Studio simply put a shell around AppleScript and allowed you to script some UI items.

Is AppleScript's functionality itself improved? Can it deal with images now without the use of a scripting addition? Can it access other languages?

I am still very excited about AppleScript Studio, having an interface to work really broadens your horizons like Dialog Studio did. I made some cool apps for OS 9 in DD, iDisk Mounter, Installer Maker (the basic core), an app that lets you choose a folder... then input your template html.. then generate a bunch of html files in a folder... it is basically a slideshow maker, a tableizer and some other stuff.

Keep in mind that I haven't yet read the info on the page, I am going to do that right now.

Cheers!

[--Helen--]

Ok,

I just want Applescript studio to be able to do some simple web form realted stuff. I mean Apache and the CGI folder are already there, let's go then already.

They made video editing fairly brainless. It's time for the web to be the same way. All of it, including forms, the building and processing of information from them being handled by Applescript Studio writtten code running on an OS X box.


Ouuuuuuu. Makes me giggly.

[Ghoser777]

Hey, if they called the way we keep our selves from nuclear annihilation MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction) and NUTS (Nuclear Utilization Theory), I think we can sleep easy with a product who's acronym is ASS.

F-bacher

[Deicide]

Synotic:

Has Applescript always been able to write to a file?

Anyway if writing to a file is possible then with AS we should start seeing GUI front ends to all these CLI apps. Apps like SAMBA and sendmail use simple text files to control them. This opens up a big opportunity for Applescript writers. GUI tools are what made MS popular in the server market. All an admin had to do is click a check box and click OK. Now an admin can do the same with MacOS X but know their email server probably has less holes then IIS. Of course Apple should have done this with MacOS X server.

[wadesworld]

Apps like....sendmail use simple text files to control them.

Now that's the funniest statement of the year.

Wade

[gorgonzola]

Originally posted by wadesworld:
<STRONG>

Now that's the funniest statement of the year.

Wade</STRONG>

LOL, I agree. Sendmail configuration files are nasty!

[timmerk]

<STRONG>Has Applescript always been able to write to a file?
</STRONG>

Yup! It can do a lot of other things, too, without scripting additions - and that was just in OS 9 and below.

[ 12-07-2001: Message edited by: timmerk ]

[petej]

Originally posted by gorgonzola:
<STRONG>Sendmail configuration files are nasty!</STRONG>

Veering wildly off-topic here. Sendmail config files are based on productions, which are part of an elementary computer science course (given that Eric Allman was a CS student when he initially wrote sendmail, it kinda makes sense). Modern sendmail configuration is done with the .mc files, which, while still not English, are not as hairy as the .cf files. When writing the .mc files, you basically say "I want this feature" for each feature you want. I think that the .cf productions are Turing-complete, so you could actually write any program you want in them. Now that's scary -- imagine a web server written in sendmail configuration files. (Hey! New project!)

[Synotic]

Originally posted by Deicide:
<STRONG>Synotic:

Has Applescript always been able to write to a file?

Anyway if writing to a file is possible then with AS we should start seeing GUI front ends to all these CLI apps. Apps like SAMBA and sendmail use simple text files to control them. This opens up a big opportunity for Applescript writers. GUI tools are what made MS popular in the server market. All an admin had to do is click a check box and click OK. Now an admin can do the same with MacOS X but know their email server probably has less holes then IIS. Of course Apple should have done this with MacOS X server.</STRONG>

As long as "Standard Additions" has been around (included). I rarely ever use text files to store data... you can just store data in properties.

I plan to make a script that allows you to send fake e-mail. Like make it look like it came from Steve Jobs or whatever. I already know how to do it with raw applescript.

Anyone know what the equivalent of "dd get contents of dialog item 3 of theDialog" is with AS-S (perhaps we can use a dash from now on?)?