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freakishhair · May 15, 2001, 02:24 PM

Hi. im running all PCs currently... but plan to switch all mac... cause PCs blow..... but i web program in ASP.. and was wondering if i can run it on mac and how?
thanks

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CremerK · May 15, 2001, 04:13 PM

ASP blows too.

Actually, I shouldn't say that -> it is my full time job as well.

There is an engine for ASP from ChiliSoft for running ASP on Unix platforms, but I don't think they have one available for OS X (yet).

Instead of running ASP on my OS X box, I'm running a JSP engine on Apache. It's very cool and has a lot more power than ASP, but will take a little learning to get used to. I'm running the Resin JSP engine, but most people use Tomcat. I have a JDBC driver installed and mySQL and am able to build very solid database backed JSP applications.

Hope this helps.

freakishhair · May 15, 2001, 04:16 PM

can you send me links to all those programs you listed?

anyone else have any comments on this ?

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freakishhair · May 15, 2001, 04:18 PM

oh and by the way..... i will probally be running mac OS 9.01 til this summer on my Ti... until i know for sure that OSX is good

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DaGuy · May 15, 2001, 08:25 PM

The Apache/Tomcat is a KILLER combo. These will give you what you need and more.
http://www.JSPforMacs.com
http://homepage.mac.com/murraytodd/tomcat.html

Enjoy!

ryochiji · May 15, 2001, 10:57 PM

Another killer combo is PHP/Apache (+ MySQL or Postgres). I think PHP is closer to ASP in syntax, but arguably as powerful as JSP.

http://www.php.net

Like most other solutions listed above, this requires MacOS X.

[This message has been edited by ryochiji (edited 05-15-2001).]

proceedNeXT · May 16, 2001, 02:13 AM

When you consider to switch to a diffrent language or server system, you should consider the best solution for most kinds of jobs: Apple WebObjects.

It's faster, easier to use and more powerful, though it is not free. Jobs dropped the price from 50,000 to 699 $. Too late for my company. We had bought licences for the higher price. Grrr.

morgan · May 16, 2001, 11:57 AM

I think the php/mysql combo is probably the best way to go. It's free, it's relatively easy to learn, and there are a ton of resources for it. I've done alot of ASP but php just kicks butt.

CremerK · May 16, 2001, 12:41 PM

I know there are a lot of people out there doing php development that love it, but if you're starting from scratch anyways, JSP is a pretty good way to go. Extending JSP using tag libraries and JavaBeans is very cool, and beats the crap out of the ways to extend ASP (COM/ActiveX objects and Windows Script Components).

freakishhair · May 16, 2001, 07:46 PM

ok... well i asked how and if i can run ASP on a mac... but all of you are talking about JSP and PHP... i allready know how to do those.. i need to know about ASP... thanks

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ryochiji · May 16, 2001, 08:03 PM

>well i asked how and if i can run ASP on a mac... but all of you are talking about JSP and PHP

How about thinking it this way. What's your reasoning behind attempting to use ASP on a Mac?

I think what people are trying to tell you is that the ASP+Mac combo isn't that great (if possible), and that you should consider alternatives that are probably better.

What are your priorities? If you want ASP, then you might bebetter off sticking to Wintel. If you want a good application server, PHP or JSP (on Linux or MacOS X) might be a better solution.

freakishhair · May 16, 2001, 08:09 PM

i allready program in ASP for companies... and im going to have Ti withen a week.. so i was wanting to be able to program stuff while on the go... so i was curious how

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CremerK · May 17, 2001, 05:42 AM

Sorry.
http://www.chilisoft.com

I searched through the forums there and found someone asking for an OS X port 2 years ago. No sign of anything yet, though. I added a new thread asking about a port.

As an editting platform, the Mac is great. BBEdit is a superior text editor to anything I've ever found on the PC. I also use Adobe GoLive on my Mac for HTML work and it respects ASP code (leaves it alone more than FrontPage ever did).

Angus_D · May 17, 2001, 02:23 PM

I can't believe I'm saying this, but you might like to look at Tenon's iTools - they have an ASP engine built into it.
http://www.tenon.com/products/itools-osx/halcyon.shtml

It's expensive, overpriced pay-for software, though, so you might like to steer clear of it (I generally have issues with companies who take free software, compile it and do very little work, and then just charge $400 or whatever for it. it's just out of order).

Raman · May 20, 2001, 12:02 AM

Can't someone just make a cgi of asp.dll or something on a webserver that runs on os9?

JSP has no place on the web. Java is great for other development, but not on the web. It's just too damn slow. PHP is the way to go. Unfortunately so many large companies use M$ that ASP brings home the dough..

Angus_D · May 20, 2001, 04:29 AM

Originally posted by Raman:
JSP has no place on the web. Java is great for other development, but not on the web. It's just too damn slow. PHP is the way to go.

I beg to differ. My interpretation of the issue it:
JSP is precompiled and therefore faster than PHP, which is interpreted. Large sites often use JSP. PHP makes the easy stuff easier, JSP makes the hard stuff easier. JSP is also much more scalable.

A lot of the slowness experienced in Java apps is due to swing, which of course would not be used in a JSP.

rclayh · May 20, 2001, 10:40 PM

Having just finished up a Visual Basic 6 program, on my iMac, I can recommend Virtual PC. I was able to run Cold Fusion, no problem. It is slower than a pc but not so much that it's unusable. In fact I was quite impressed. I got Windows 98SE and Windows 2000 Professional installed on my machine fairly easily. I already had the MS OSs so I just bought the Virtual PC with DOS and installed my OSs. Worked great. Does not run under OSX but I have a dual boot machine, so that's not a problem either. Anyway, you can continue to do ASP until you learn JSP. At least that's the strategy, I've chosen.

HoofHearted · May 21, 2001, 04:35 PM

Hi...

just noticed this on the Aple OSX Server page:
http://www.halcyonsoft.com/products/iasp.asp

it lets you run asp code on any web server platform that supports java (they say). Unless Chilli soft do a Mac osx port, it might be your best bet.

Good luck!

Smurfman · May 24, 2001, 07:48 AM

As "rclayh" said above, get VirtualPC (it'll be out for OS X soon if/when you go that route)!!

It'll run great on your new Ti. You can have it in full screen mode running Win 2000 and you won't even know your on a Mac - as long as you look at JUST the screen and not the rest of the computer

MadBrowser · May 24, 2001, 12:24 PM

ASP relies on many Windows services to do its magic, that is why the only solutions that really work to port ASP to other platforms are commercial. It's a lot of work to reverse engineer.

On PHP vs. JSP, PHP is fine for small projects but once you start doing larger sites, JSP+Servlets+JavaBeans+Enterprise JavaBeans are hard to beat. PHP's lack of real object orientation is real downer, as well as lack of a good DB abstraction API (which is coming but it is too little too late IMHO).

bill_mcgonigle · May 24, 2001, 12:36 PM

Check out http://www.apache-asp.org

You'll have to build apache with modperl to use it, but that's not too bad.

Angus_D · May 24, 2001, 01:32 PM

Also try http://asp2php.naken.cc/

PerfectlyNormalBeast · May 25, 2001, 12:50 AM

Dreamweaver Ultradev (which comes with BBEdit) will let you work with ASP code and use Dreamweaver at the same time. The only catch is that to try it you have to be able to connect to a PC ASP server it can upload your code to. It's all very transparent, but not great on the road.

bill_mcgonigle · May 25, 2001, 08:20 AM

OK, I lied - Apple ships apache with mod_perl [3 cheers] so you don't need to rebuild it. You might need to put the AddModule and LoadModule lines in to activate it, then take a moment in CPAN to install it (perl -MCPAN -e 'install Apache::ASP')

Raman · May 26, 2001, 06:23 PM

Originally posted by Angus_D:
I beg to differ. My interpretation of the issue it:
JSP is precompiled and therefore faster than PHP, which is interpreted. Large sites often use JSP. PHP makes the easy stuff easier, JSP makes the hard stuff easier. JSP is also much more scalable.

A lot of the slowness experienced in Java apps is due to swing, which of course would not be used in a JSP.

Not this precomplied debate again.. like ASP, the PHP engine compiles and caches pages after they've been executed. Therefore, the subsequent calls to the same page are markedly faster because it's running a complied version of the code in the page. Similar to a stored procedure where the DBMS already knows which is the least costly wat to execute a query (Oracle people please don't flame me about RBO vs. CBO). I'm not putting down JSP at all - I'm just saying that it's slower than PHP. I've looked at some pretty slow sites ::cough::circuitcity.com::cough:: that run JSP. mind you, the people that wrote it might have been using dreamweaver ultradev to write it which would explain why it's sooo slow...

Raman · May 26, 2001, 06:28 PM

Originally posted by MadBrowser:

On PHP vs. JSP, PHP is fine for small projects but once you start doing larger sites, JSP+Servlets+JavaBeans+Enterprise JavaBeans are hard to beat. PHP's lack of real object orientation is real downer, as well as lack of a good DB abstraction API (which is coming but it is too little too late IMHO).

I will agree with you there, but we're not talking about Enterprise Appications (which I write for a living as well).

Does it mater if PHP's DB API is a little too late? I mean once its out, it's out - we're not going to care which was first, as long as its robust and scales well.

PHP is not meant to be an OO language. PHP can talk to COM objects wether you've written them in VB, C/C++, or JAVA. COM support will only get better with time as many PHP people are usign it on a Windows environment.