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gsciorio · May 25, 2002, 04:20 PM

I want to set up a server runing Server X. I would also like to host about 4 sites on that single machine too. I'm having a real tough time locating resources on the web for a newbie.

Although I've been designing sites for a while I always had a programer now I need to do it on my own and any help would be great.

Thanks!

mr_sonicblue · May 25, 2002, 09:39 PM

If you wish to host those 4 sites on seperate domain names, you'll need to use Apache's virtual host features. A search on google for 'Apache "virtual hosts"' should give you plenty of resources on that topic.

Camelot · May 25, 2002, 11:54 PM

<blockquote>:<hr />Originally posted by mr_sonicblue:
If you wish to host those 4 sites on seperate domain names, you'll need to use Apache's virtual host features. A search on google for 'Apache "virtual hosts"' should give you plenty of resources on that topic.<hr /></blockquote>Or, even better, go straight to the source: <a href="http://httpd.apache.org/docs/vhosts/vhosts-in-depth.html" target="_blank">http://httpd.apache.org/docs/vhosts/vhosts-in-depth.html</a>

gsciorio · May 26, 2002, 12:34 AM

That helps guys thanks. Now what about ISP's? I was thinking of using DSL for home with a 640k up/down but what if the ISP changes there IP address? Would that mess up things?

Would I be better off purchasing a Mac OSX server license for it's ease of use?

Maneki Neko · May 26, 2002, 03:14 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by gsciorio:
That helps guys thanks. Now what about ISP's? I was thinking of using DSL for home with a 640k up/down but what if the ISP changes there IP address? Would that mess up things?

Would I be better off purchasing a Mac OSX server license for it's ease of use?<hr /></blockquote>You don't need OS X Server for hosting web sites, it doesn't offer anything you can't get yourself for a web server. You can use DSL, but try and find a provider who will give you a static IP address. It makes things much easier. You can do dynamic DNS with a service like <a href="http://www.dyndns.org" target="_blank">DynDNS</a>, but static ip is a much better solution.

deharlow · May 26, 2002, 09:04 PM

Maneki is right you do not need OS X server to host websites however if does have a nice GUI interface for configuring hosting the websites, mail users and more. I use the 10 user version of OS X to host my website and it works great.

Daniel

gsciorio · May 27, 2002, 01:37 AM

deharlow,
what is your URL so I can take a look at your website please? Also what server are you running on and what type or connection are you using.

Is the 10 user license mean only 10 people can see your site at the same time or does it mean that you can install it on only 10 computers?

Thanks!

Camelot · May 27, 2002, 02:03 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by gsciorio:
That helps guys thanks. Now what about ISP's? I was thinking of using DSL for home with a 640k up/down but what if the ISP changes there IP address? Would that mess up things?

Would I be better off purchasing a Mac OSX server license for it's ease of use?<hr /></blockquote>If you're doing this seriously, you should make sure you get a commercial account with your ISP and not a residential account.

First, commercial accounts typically have static IP addresses which is a big plus.

Second, commercial accounts typically get *multiple* IP addresses rather than just one.

Third, commercial accounts typically include DNS service (including REVERSE DNS which is essential if you expect to run mail off your server, too)

Fourth, commercial accounts are typically not subjected to content filtering in the same way residential accounts are (many, many DSL and cable providers blocked incoming port 80 traffic to counter Nimda and Code Red worms, many also block SMTP and DNS traffic, too, to prevent home users running domains out of their garage). You don't want your sites being blocked when the next Windows internet worm makes its rounds.

Fifth, commercial accounts typically have some level of Service Level Agreement meaning that if the line is down for any significant period of time, you get compensation - not so with a residential account.

Sure a commercial account costs more than a residential account, but if you're serious about it, and it contributes to your income, then it's worth considering.

As for the Mac OS X/Mac OS X Server issue, Mac OS X will do what you need. Mac OS X Server comes with some nifty administration utilities, but are more geared towards user administration which isn't an issue here.

mkosnik · May 27, 2002, 05:48 PM

I agree with the previous posts...

You have two issues.
1. Which OS to use. I am using the standard MacOS X (not X Server). I turned on PHP and installed mysql... It works great... (seaching database on my cube, displaying pages from my cube).
<a href="http://anymouse.uchicago.edu/paleosource/" target="_blank">http://anymouse.uchicago.edu/paleosource/</a>

2. Bandwidth... I am on the university's network, so I have no advise to give you.

deharlow · May 27, 2002, 11:01 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by gsciorio:
deharlow,
what is your URL so I can take a look at your website please? Also what server are you running on and what type or connection are you using.

Is the 10 user license mean only 10 people can see your site at the same time or does it mean that you can install it on only 10 computers?

Thanks!<hr /></blockquote>I will send you the link in a private message, as it is not quite ready for public consumption yet. As for the connection I have it hosted at a local co-location company (http://www.arpnetworks.com/), which has multiple T1 connections to the Internet so I do not have to worry about it. It runs on a iMac 266 with 256MB RAM in an iRack 1U case.

As for the client limits from Apples Server FAQ (http://www.apple.com/macosx/server/faq/index.html) it only applies to simultaneous Apple File Protocol connections and not Windows, UNIX, and Linux file services; email services; or web hosting services. Also you can not install in on 10 computers at a time unless you buy ten copies, Apple uses a serial number with the server unlike the client.

Daniel

skyman · May 27, 2002, 11:17 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by gsciorio:
deharlow,
what is your URL so I can take a look at your website please? Also what server are you running on and what type or connection are you using.

Is the 10 user license mean only 10 people can see your site at the same time or does it mean that you can install it on only 10 computers?

Thanks!<hr /></blockquote>Mac OS X Server is available in 10-client and unlimited-client versions. Client restrictions apply to simultaneous Apple File Protocol connections only, primarily used by Apple file services, Macintosh Manager, and NetBoot. The client restrictions do not apply to Windows, UNIX, and Linux file services; email services; or web hosting services, such as Apache, QuickTime Streaming Server, and WebObjects. The Mac OS X Server 10-client edition has a suggested retail price of US$499. It is designed for professional webmasters and small workgroups that do not require simultaneous file sharing to more than 10 Macintosh clients. The Mac OS X Server unlimited-client edition has a suggested retail price of US$999. It is perfect for classroom labs, media designers, and medium-to-large workgroups with high volumes of file sharing activity. Also available is a Mac OS X Server 10-client to unlimited-client license upgrade for US$499, allowing you to easily upgrade your servers as your needs grow. Contact your Apple sales representative for education pricing.