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iYoda · Jun 25, 2002, 01:33 PM

Here we are a week from July and has anyone recieved their Xserver(s) yet? I am still waiing on my two.
BTW, Who's buying these and how many are you getting?

I am not a religeous man, but superman if you can hear me.......H. Simpson

iYoda · Jun 25, 2002, 01:34 PM

Sorry, Damn "Y". I meant "the".

tmikkelsen · Jun 25, 2002, 09:05 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by iYoda:
Here we are a week from July and has anyone recieved their Xserver(s) yet? I am still waiing on my two.
BTW, Who's buying these and how many are you getting?

I am not a religeous man, but superman if you can hear me.......H. Simpson<hr /></blockquote>Bought one to replace a G4 server from last year. Has not showed yet.

geekstud · Jun 26, 2002, 12:49 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by tmikkelsen:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by iYoda:
Here we are a week from July and has anyone recieved their Xserver(s) yet? I am still waiing on my two.
BTW, Who's buying these and how many are you getting?

I am not a religeous man, but superman if you can hear me.......H. Simpson<hr /></blockquote>Bought one to replace a G4 server from last year. Has not showed yet.<hr /></blockquote>Perhaps Apple should have saved the excitement of the announcement for the July Macworld show, and then had them ready to ship immediately. This could have also given them more time to get the storage unit ready (the Xserve really needs the fiber channel storage unit if it is to compete with "real" storage servers) , as well as perhaps a slightly faster G4 CPU. Ah, the joy of second guessing the pros running multi-billion dollar corporations ;-)

Cheers,

-Nathan

RealMadrid · Jun 28, 2002, 11:32 AM

Seems as if they have begun shipping. Look at the MacNN front page.

[ 06-28-2002, 11:35 AM: Message edited by: RealMadrid ]

iYoda · Jul 1, 2002, 08:59 AM

Well, I have been told by my sales person and my Apple Sales rep that it will be a "couple of weeks" until I see my Xservers. Apperantly there is something wrong with manufacturing?

que_ball · Jul 5, 2002, 12:07 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by iYoda:
Well, I have been told by my sales person and my Apple Sales rep that it will be a "couple of weeks" until I see my Xservers. Apperantly there is something wrong with manufacturing?<hr /></blockquote>6/28/2002

Dear Valued Apple Customer,

We appreciate your recent Apple Store order 700xxxxxxx. Due to an unexpected supply delay, we are unable to ship your Z057, XSERVE CTO by the date you were originally quoted. Our goal is to ship your order within the next 20 business days.

If you prefer, you may change or cancel your order and receive a prompt refund by calling us at 1-800-676-2775, extension 56500, 7 a.m. to 9 p.m. central time, Monday through Friday, or 9 a.m. to 6 p.m. central time, Saturday and Sunday. If we do not hear from you, we will continue processing your order. If you provided an email address when you placed your order, you will receive an email notification once your order has been shipped.

We appreciate your business and apologize for any inconvenience this delay has caused you. Thank you for shopping at the Apple Store!

DayLateDon · Jul 5, 2002, 01:03 AM

Hello ...

From Apple:

<blockquote>quote:<hr />
Date: Mon Jul 01, 2002 11:02:19 PM US/Central
Subject: Shipment notification for order # 700xxxxxxx

Dear Apple Customer,

The following products [Z057 XSERVE, Dual Gig] shipped on 07/01/2002. Transit time will depend upon whether you have chosen standard or premium freight options. If your order is shipping standard freight, it should arrive within 2 - 5 business days of shipment.
<hr /></blockquote>and from FedEx:

<blockquote>quote:<hr />
Ship Date �� 07/02/2002
Est. Delivery Date �� 07/09/2002

Scan Activity
Scanned at FedEx sort facility/SACRAMENTO CA 07/03/2002�03:20
Scanned at FedEx origin location/SACRAMENTO CA 07/03/2002�03:17
Customer-Loaded Trailer Picked Up/SACRAMENTO-LOCAL CA 07/02/2002�00:00
<hr /></blockquote>It's on its way! (Note: We ordered it on 22 June.)

This should give me about a month to play with it before it gets installed at our school.

DayLateDon

NeoMac · Jul 7, 2002, 10:30 AM

Apple obviously screwed up.

They're going to start shipping 1Ghz Xservers 1 1/2 weeks before they ship PowerMacs with FASTER than 1Ghz CPUs.

I bet they're trying to stall Xserve shipments until July 17th, so they can send out the Xserves with the newer, faster CPUs.

Apple is such a f'd up company sometimes.

JLL · Jul 7, 2002, 12:15 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by NeoMac:
Apple obviously screwed up.

They're going to start shipping 1Ghz Xservers 1 1/2 weeks before they ship PowerMacs with FASTER than 1Ghz CPUs.

I bet they're trying to stall Xserve shipments until July 17th, so they can send out the Xserves with the newer, faster CPUs.

Apple is such a f'd up company sometimes.<hr /></blockquote>Servers usually don't come with the latest and greatest hardware.

JohnD · 06:00 AM

Saw one today and the quality sucks.
All the "panels" in the front are misaligned which makes it look real ugly.
Case flexes like a rubber blanket.
This is what it looked like,

utidjian · Jul 10, 2002, 08:22 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by JohnD:
Saw one today and the quality sucks.
All the "panels" in the front are misaligned which makes it look real ugly.
Case flexes like a rubber blanket.
This is what it looked like,

<img src="http://home.wxs.nl/~dijkstra/images/xsludge.jpg" alt=" - " /><hr /></blockquote>It is meant to go in a rack mount and not moved very often... it is hardly a laptop (which also flex a bit).

The fit and finish on servers is usually a bit rough... these things are not going to be sitting on a desktop... they are usually in a server room somewhere. The fit and finish comes with the cabinet with smoked glass doors then on can only see the blinky lights.

How does it look inside? Nicely laid out? How does it perform the tasks you have for it?

Brien · Jul 10, 2002, 11:29 AM

Looks like apples photo. Go to <a href="http://www.apple.com/xserve." target="_blank">www.apple.com/xserve.</a> Shadow and blue LEDs identical. Sure you didnt make that in photoshop?

erratic · Jul 10, 2002, 11:43 AM

JohnD

That really looks like a photoshop job, and not a very good one at that. In fact it looks too similar to one of the Xserve PDFs I've just been looking at.

For starters, the geometry on the front panels is all wrong, the shadows don't follow the out-of-position panels, and finally, how did you manage to make a studio quality shot like that, with lighting *identical* to that of Apple's?

Heck, you even left a tiny bit of a line attached to the bottom of the '5'.

Thanks for the FUD, though, mate. Back to 'Photoshop for Beginners' with you!

JohnD · 06:01 AM

Man what a stupid reaction.
Yes this is a quick 'n dirty Photoshop conversion of the picture used on the Apple website.
I even left the orange arrows and numbers in place.
Blah blad bleu LED blah, bwhahaha
The quality of the XServe is not that good.
I own a HP LP1000r with similar price and it is a lot stronger and higher quality.
XServe feels like cardboard.

Here's a picture from the Powerpage and look at the CD area,

erratic · Jul 11, 2002, 09:52 AM

JohnD, is het absoluut nodig om zo onbeschoft te doen?

So you're trying to convince us that the X Serve is a bad quality product by trying to pass of a badly faked picture as the real thing, then using a very blurry photograph to to again try to prove your point.

You know what's really sad, JohnD - the Xserve really isn't so badly put together. Funny how you're the only one who complains that the thing is like 'cardboard'. You know, I've got three here that have just been installed, and you know what? They're fine. Easily up to the standard of the Dell and Sun 1U's we've got sitting next to it.

I wonder why you feel the need to bash something you probably haven't seen in real life.

In the meantime, stop behaving like a plonker.

JohnD · Jul 11, 2002, 02:22 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by erratic:
JohnD, is het absoluut nodig om zo onbeschoft te doen?

So you're trying to convince us that the X Serve is a bad quality product by trying to pass of a badly faked picture as the real thing, then using a very blurry photograph to to again try to prove your point.

You know what's really sad, JohnD - the Xserve really isn't so badly put together. Funny how you're the only one who complains that the thing is like 'cardboard'. You know, I've got three here that have just been installed, and you know what? They're fine. Easily up to the standard of the Dell and Sun 1U's we've got sitting next to it.

I wonder why you feel the need to bash something you probably haven't seen in real life.

In the meantime, stop behaving like a plonker.<hr /></blockquote>I wonder who is doing "onbeschoft".
First you "assume" I posted a real picture, I "assume" you wear glasses not seeing that I left all the original orange markings from the Apple website in place.
Then you "assume" that I posted a fake blurry picture without backing it, I informed that the picture came from Powerpage.org after explaining that I didn't have the opportunity to take pictures of the one I saw.
Next you "assume " I haven't seen it for real which is a simple remark when you can't back your barking.
Well, "assume"" on and think before barking next time.
I explained the situation perfectly so there is nothing to blame me for.
I gave an impression with a personal judgement of the XServe the way I have seen it in real, yes real.
The one I saw was even worse compared to the one on the blurry picture.
I use several 1U systems ranging from DIY boxes with Enlight cases to HP LP1000r and my conclusion is that the quality of the XServe case is below Apple standards. Period.
The internals looked OK but for how long when the box flexes like a palmtree in the wind.
I had my share of problems with flexing boxes before and it's a bad thing but you'll experience the same thing in de near future, I can assure you.
If you feel insulted than that's your problem.
Maybe you are reacting so agressive because deep inside you have the feeling that you bought three overpriced boxes for the price of four?
Who the plonker?
Big words for a newbie........

erratic · Jul 11, 2002, 03:09 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr /> I wonder who is doing "onbeschoft". <hr /></blockquote>Actually, JohnD, it is you who started being 'onbeschoft'* by saying

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Man what a stupid reaction.<hr /></blockquote>You were responding to my post which said your picture was a fake. Something which you had posted as if it were a genuine picture. Then you suddenly start admitting it, as if it was made clear all along. I merely said:

<blockquote>quote:<hr />it looks too similar to one of the Xserve PDFs I've just been looking at.<hr /></blockquote>As the only Xserve PDFs I've seen are the Apple ones I think it doesn't
take a vast intelligence to figure out that those were the ones I was
referring to.

I even noted

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Heck, you even left a tiny bit of a line attached to the bottom of the '5'. <hr /></blockquote>Basically, your original post could be interpreted as being a genuine picture by someone who quickly looked at it. That is not OK. Its very bad, in fact.

Yes, I had seen the other blurry pic on the pan rack.

Basically, the facts are that you FAKED a picture without telling people it was your impression of what you think all Xserves look like. You intentionally LIED in order to make people believe that the XServe is badly put together.

Apparently my own experience doesn't matter. I've got three dual proc XServes right here. They're all finished really well, and work
rather well too, if noisily. Those are my facts, and I defy you to find any
comment anywhere else that the XServes are 'like cardboard', or that support your suggestion that the quality of the XServe isn't all there.

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Maybe you are reacting so agressive because deep inside you have the feeling that you bought three overpriced boxes for the price of four? <hr /></blockquote>Uh, no. I responded to your FUD. You seem rather aggresive. May I remind you of your

<blockquote>quote:<hr />man, what a stupid reaction<hr /></blockquote>comment?

In fact, it rather sounds as if you have an agenda to promote the HPs. That's fine, but making up pictures is bad. You could have just noted that the panels were ill-fitting and that you weren't too happy with it. However, you completely knackered your own credibility by faking a picture. That's a really, really sill thing to do.

And really, I don't pay for the XServes. They're here on evaluation, and
if they don't meet expectations they'll be relegated to mail and
workgroup serving. I have no agenda, but your lies suggest that it is
maybe you who has the issues. Ultimately I've got the Suns. I'm happy!

Oh, and they cost considerably more than the XServes. More than your HPs too. And you know what, if the Suns flex (which they don't) it really doesn't matter. You see, we've screwed them into a rack, hence the 'rack-mount' bit in the name. The racks provide more stiffness than the case could ever hope to do.

<blockquote>quote:<hr /> Who the plonker? <hr /></blockquote>Err, probably both of us - you for being a Fud spreader, me for falling
for your feeble troll.

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Big words for a newbie........<hr /></blockquote>And you clearly don't understand that the first rule of trolling is
'start a troll, sit back and watch the thread develop, but don't
participate'.

You failed.

* for English speaking readers, 'onbeschoft' means ill-mannered.

[ 07-11-2002, 03:15 PM: Message edited by: erratic ]

JohnD · Jul 12, 2002, 03:11 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by erratic:
<blockquote>quote:<hr /> I wonder who is doing "onbeschoft". <hr /></blockquote>Actually, JohnD, it is you who started being 'onbeschoft'* by saying

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Man what a stupid reaction.<hr /></blockquote><hr /></blockquote>

This says it all.

You are the one being very "onbeschoft" by accusing me of posting fake stuff. That is an extreme "onbeschoft" thing to do. That is stupid.
If you would show just a little intelligence you would NOT assume that I would post a picture with the intention to fake anything.
You had to brag on about the other genuine picture accusing me again of faking things.
You are the one insulting me with all kinds of false remarks.
You want to play Mr. Photoshop (or Mrs.?) with wise *ss remarks...
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />That really looks like a photoshop job, and not a very good one at that.<hr /></blockquote>
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Back to 'Photoshop for Beginners' with you! <hr /></blockquote>
That's just plain stupid and like you said "onbeschoft".

 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Err, probably both of us - you for being a Fud spreader, me for falling
for your feeble troll.

<hr /></blockquote>

You are sickening my serious report of a first hand experience.

You are sickening this thread.

Hey? Your *ss just got handed to you......

erratic · Jul 12, 2002, 03:46 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr /> You are sickening my serious report of a first hand experience. <hr /></blockquote>You posted a faked photograph, trying to pass it off as real. That, technically, is libel, or in the case of a company, probably defamation.

It also makes a mockery of your claim to be providing a 'serious report'. Serious reports by their very nature do not contain faked images or lies.

But it appears you can't take a bit of criticism. Maybe if you provide empirical evidence, with REAL photographs I'll take you a bit more seriously. If you do I'll return the favour.

JohnD · 06:02 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by erratic:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr /> You are sickening my serious report of a first hand experience. <hr /></blockquote>You posted a faked photograph, trying to pass it off as real. That, technically, is libel, or in the case of a company, probably defamation.

It also makes a mockery of your claim to be providing a 'serious report'. Serious reports by their very nature do not contain faked images or lies.

But it appears you can't take a bit of criticism. Maybe if you provide empirical evidence, with REAL photographs I'll take you a bit more seriously. If you do I'll return the favour.<hr /></blockquote>OK,

To clear myself from false accusations like the ones you are making in an attempt to save your sorry *ss I took the effort to get hold of the picture of that particular machine.

Yes, this picture was put together with the help of Photoshop to show different details of the machine in one picture.

I also had the chance to check the flexing of the box while locked in to a rack and I want to rephrase one remark.

Let's say I find the flexing when fully opening the case very concerning.
If you look carefully you can see the mainboard flexing with it.

The quality of the front panel is far below Apple standards, I expected things to be a lot more sturdy.

Next time don't act like a yerk with your insulting and lumb remarks because plain and simple that is what you are, nothing more and nothing less.

I rest my case.

erratic · Jul 12, 2002, 09:38 AM

OK JohnD, I'm more than happy to retract my accusations of FUD in your direction now that you've supplied those photographs. However, you must understand that a faked photograph raises suspicions

Anyway, back to your Xserve - bloody hell, that's really terrible. How are Apple responding to this? I hope they're not giving you the brush off. Would you keep us updated on that? I must say that if Apple is shipping even some of them out built as badly as that they're going to get laughed out of the server market.

As a counterpoint to your lousy experience I'll sort out some photographs of our machines, which, as I mentioned, are all OK, except for the noisy fans and the 'apparent' slow running of them (which is a software problem). However, we are a major target establishment for Apple and you never know, maybe they're sending us all the best stuff...

JohnD · Jul 12, 2002, 12:07 PM

OK that's settled..

Like I said, I only had the chance to see the machine in real late in the evening because the machine had to be delivered to the customer on short notice.
Delivery would be the next morning so I was told.
This morning I found out that the machine was not delivered for whatever reason so I could take some pictures of it.
This is the only machine I have seen in the flesh.
I consider myself to be some sort of Apple fanatic while running an almost 95% Wintel network and I think I am fairly knowledgable when it comes to Mac's but this thing really shocked me and as it seems it shocks you too.
Because of the remarks about the flexing while mounted in a 19" rack we did some tests on the spot.
It disturbed me also, not a nice thing to see.
The box tends to flex to the right very easy because of it's construction and it really bends with very little force just above the power supply.
It's true that a good running machine doesn't need much handling once it is placed but nevertheless.

erratic · Jul 12, 2002, 12:36 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by JohnD:
[QB]OK that's settled..
Yes it is, and I wholeheartedly apologise.

[QUOTE]as it seems it shocks you too.<hr /></blockquote>It certainly does. More to the point, it really dissapoints me. This sort of thing doesn't only look bad cosmetically, it also reflects badly on the company as a whole.

<blockquote>quote:<hr /> Because of the remarks about the flexing while mounted in a 19" rack we did some tests on the spot.

It disturbed me also, not a nice thing to see.
The box tends to flex to the right very easy because of it's construction and it really bends with very little force just above the power supply.<hr /></blockquote>That's where things get odd - I've just taken the lid off one of ours and tried flexing it. It doesn't. Well not too excess, it doesn't - I'd compare it to no more than one of the older TiBooks. I do really hope that your problems are due to a lemon.

However, there are stupid design flaws - I've noticed on one of our machines that the Ethernet cable (on the built in Ethernet port) doesn't want to come out. I just had to break a tab on the cable to get it to do so...

And then there's those annoying fans with the software that thinks they're running too slowly when they're not (according to discussions at Apple.com)

<blockquote>quote:<hr /> It's true that a good running machine doesn't need much handling once it is placed but nevertheless.<hr /></blockquote>You could say that, but I don't think that the state of yours is even remotely acceptable for a piece of kit that is going to be used in a serving environment. OK, aesthetically it isn't exactly pleasing, but if the motherboard flexes who knows what parts might be being compromised.

It is a pity that it sounds as if you need the machine in a hurry, because Apple should really replace it as soon as possible.

libraryguy · Jul 16, 2002, 06:40 PM

Well, according to Apple's conference call today they sold less XServes then expected. Is this any surprise to anyone. I don't mean to say that the XServe isn't a great server but it seems Apple never gets their sales predictions right. They underestimated the demand for the new iMac as well as the consumer demand for the eMac (since it wasn't even offered to consumers at first). They predicted that the retail stores would be making a profit by now and they haven't even broke even yet. Then again, it's kind of funny that they say they didn't meet their sales expectations for the XServe and at the same time we see many people still waiting for theirs weeks after it began shipping. I wonder how long people would have to wait if they had met their sales expectations for the machine. It would seem to me that if you expect to sell a certain number of machines then that means you are also prepared to meet that demand. However, they're expectations were not met and they we still see people waiting.

[ 07-16-2002, 06:44 PM: Message edited by: libraryguy ]

TiDual · Jul 17, 2002, 05:28 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by libraryguy:
Well, according to Apple's conference call today they sold less XServes then expected. Is this any surprise to anyone. <hr /></blockquote>Well, they only started shipping within the past few weeks. We're considering getting a couple, but I would never commit to order something not even available: I want to read a few hands-on reviews first. I don't think many serious users would commit to an undeliverable, not to mention untested product.

Brien · Jul 17, 2002, 02:02 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by TiDual:
[QB]Well, they only started shipping within the past few weeks. We're considering getting a couple, but I would never commit to order something not even available.QB]<hr /></blockquote>Well, Apple is doing it again with the new iPods and Jaguar. You can already order them on apples web site, but neither ships till august.