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iloveOSX · Jan 12, 2001, 02:01 PM

went to the site and saw the screen shots of 2.0. i didn't understand something though. ARE php and mysql going to be included? or will we have to download as we do know special installers (that alter apache)

looks like if they inlcude a secure version of webdav then we will finally have our secure FTP problem licked. (use webdav instead)

finally, will windows and mac people be able to access web directories with via the chooser desktop? no ftp clients needed?

thanks

gorgonzola · Jan 13, 2001, 01:33 AM

I'm pretty sure all the servers are pre-installed and have GUI config clients written for them (real power-house ones, not like the OS X Beta kind) -- so yes, php + mysql will probably be in there. They are moving towards WebDAV more and more, so hopefully it will solve that problem. Windows + Mac people will, * i think *, be able to access web servers via the desktop like you said.

But you should ask someone at apple about the last one or wait until 2.0 is released.

2.0 is going to rock! People who have seen it say that the GUI config apps are the best they've seen on *any* platform, and that it has really really good server support. Bring it on!

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Ally Philp · Jan 21, 2001, 02:47 PM

What X Server needs to really kick start it are:

(a) Oracle 9i. Over to you Mr Ellison I think...
(b) Killer Hardware. Checkout Sun's new Netra X1. 1U high, 2 disks, 64 Bit UltraSPARC, dual 10/100 ethernet blah blah - $995!!! Surely Apple can do something every bit as good??

I suppose it's all down to what markets they want and how badly they want 'em...

Jan 21, 2001, 10:46 PM

give them a shade under a year to enter the server market with comparable or better hardware... :0)

regards,
jean-pierre

Alex Duffield · Feb 1, 2001, 12:51 PM

If you download the PDF on OSXS2 from Apple, it says that PHP and MySql are included.

I am betting that Apple will put out a rackmount server system inside a year..

OSXS2 is going to make a big splash!! I think there are a lot of foks out there that have jumped on the Linux bandwagon because they want a viable alternative to Windows, but they are now finding themselves over there heads..

OSXS2 will make Unix avalable to the masses, not just the "technoids"..

Bring it on Apple!!!

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gorgonzola · Feb 16, 2001, 07:17 PM

From Apple > Mac OS X > Server:

Includes Apache modules for CGIs, Perl, and Java Servlets; enhanced server-side includes; an integrated caching proxy server; and support for PHP, MySQL and JSP.

As Ned Rierson would say, BING!

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rmendis · Feb 19, 2001, 06:44 PM

Originally posted by Jean-Pierre:
give them a shade under a year to enter the server market with comparable or better hardware

Actually, i don't think Apple knows how to support or sell into the server market captured by the likes of Sun, HP IBM.

On the otherhand, Apple could take the lead in what seems to be an new and emerging server market for the home server or a "consumer server".

The commodity prices of Sun's Netra and the emergence of Linux indicate this trend.

A server for teachers.

gorgonzola · Feb 20, 2001, 01:23 AM

A server for the rest of us.

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Alex Duffield · Mar 4, 2001, 12:09 PM

Has anyone seen or used OSXS2 yet?? Im die'n to hear some news on this thing???

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dtriska · Mar 5, 2001, 01:17 AM

Well, there is this:
http://www.macosx.org/macosxserver2.html

Gee4orce · Mar 6, 2001, 07:48 AM

Originally posted by gorgonzola:
A server for the rest of us.

Absolutely. I think MacOS X Server has the potential to do for the server market what the original Mac OS did for the desktop PC (ie. empower the non-technical user).

Sounds like the OS X engineers have really done their jobs. Now, however, its down to the sales and marketing guys...

Gametes · Mar 8, 2001, 09:36 PM

I just checked out all the specs and pics of server 2 from Apple.com.

Oh my GOD.
I want it. I want it more than I've ever wanted OS X.
And I'm not even conceivably in a position to use such a beast.
I would just spend all day creating users and editing their permissions.
Then I would do all those other nifty things server can do, though I have no need to. It looks like soooo much fun.

Gametes · Mar 8, 2001, 09:41 PM

How much does server 2 cost?
Like, 500-1000$ bucks?

Alex Duffield · Mar 8, 2001, 11:55 PM

Id guess a tad over 1k, as it is to replace Apple Share IP 6.x..

AppleShare IP 6.3
$999.00

So my guess will be 1200..

Then again, they may come in lower than that as most of it is based on open source projects, they could get slammed on charging to much for adding front ends to free software...

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PowerBookDude · Mar 16, 2001, 09:17 AM

Originally posted by Alex Duffield:
Id guess a tad over 1k, as it is to replace Apple Share IP 6.x..

So my guess will be 1200..

But why would they charge so much more then the current OS X Server ($449)? (You will have to excuse me I don't know much about the current OS X Server.)

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Mac_hiavelli · Mar 23, 2001, 08:37 PM

What about a certification program for OSX administration,
like Sun's Solaris Certification or even Oracle DBA Certification ?

I know some people sneer at such things, but wouldn't it make OSX
an easier sell to business enterprise if a standard for technical
knowledge is established ?

dtriska · Mar 23, 2001, 10:19 PM

Originally posted by Mac_hiavelli:
What about a certification program for OSX administration, like Sun's Solaris Certification or even Oracle DBA Certification ?

http://www.apple.com/iservices/technicaltraining/

Mac_hiavelli · Mar 25, 2001, 09:34 PM

thank ya kindly.

gorgonzola · Apr 2, 2001, 06:32 AM

As for pricing -- OS X Server 1.x was expensive partly because of Display Postscript. Since it's using Quartz now, the price has probably dropped. I don't know, I'm looking at less than $1k, $500 maybe.

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PowerBookDude · Apr 2, 2001, 11:22 AM

Originally posted by gorgonzola:
As for pricing -- OS X Server 1.x was expensive partly because of Display Postscript. Since it's using Quartz now, the price has probably dropped. I don't know, I'm looking at less than $1k, $500 maybe.

But wasn't OS X Server 1.x $449? That is what is listed in Mac catalogs.

PBDude