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critterdoc · Aug 10, 2003, 03:28 PM

I ran mail.app in training mode for several months before switching to automatic. The spam filter is catching a fair percentage of spam but it seems like the ratio of passed spam to junked spam (approx 1:2) has not changed much since I went automatic.

Does mail.app continue to "learn" when reset from training to automatic mode?

natan · Aug 10, 2003, 04:03 PM

Originally posted by critterdoc:
I ran mail.app in training mode for several months before switching to automatic. The spam filter is catching a fair percentage of spam but it seems like the ratio of passed spam to junked spam (approx 1:2) has not changed much since I went automatic.

Does mail.app continue to "learn" when reset from training to automatic mode?

Yes.

Art Vandelay · Aug 10, 2003, 06:52 PM

... as long as you continue to mark items as Junk that it missed.

SupahCoolX · Aug 11, 2003, 06:05 PM

... and unmark items that it erroneously Junked

Art Vandelay · Aug 11, 2003, 07:00 PM

Originally posted by SupahCoolX:
... and unmark items that it erroneously Junked

Yes, that too.

NeXTLoop · Aug 12, 2003, 01:23 AM

I've been running Mail and Eudora side by side for a couple of months now. Interestingly enough, Eudora is catching more junk than mail is. I'm finding that Mail is letting about as much through as it catches.

Mastrap · Aug 12, 2003, 01:51 AM

mail.app is catching about 90% of my spam. Do we all get different spam, maybe?

Me:

40% penis enlargement pills, Viagra and general drugs.
30% money making schemes, including mortgages
30% porn
10% other. Nigerian scams, etc...

It's important to empty your trash for mail to keep learning.

renpar61 · Aug 12, 2003, 08:48 AM

Originally posted by Mastrap:
mail.app is catching about 90% of my spam. Do we all get different spam, maybe?

Me:

40% penis enlargement pills, Viagra and general drugs.
30% money making schemes, including mortgages
30% porn
10% other. Nigerian scams, etc...

It's important to empty your trash for mail to keep learning.

I get a lot of spam but never porn, Mastrap!
Maybe if you stop visiting porn sites you won't get as much porn spam...

I'm sorry, I couldn't resist...

phillryu · Aug 12, 2003, 09:11 AM

Originally posted by Mastrap:
mail.app is catching about 90% of my spam. Do we all get different spam, maybe?

Me:

40% penis enlargement pills, Viagra and general drugs.
30% money making schemes, including mortgages
30% porn
10% other. Nigerian scams, etc...

It's important to empty your trash for mail to keep learning.

Seems about right, except mine doesn't add up to 110%

BZ · Aug 12, 2003, 09:26 AM

I get 200+ spams a day and (6 email accounts, 1 which is over 7 years old) and I would say Mail catches 90-95% of it.

The stuff that it does not catch seems to fall in two buckets:

1) Spam with very little text
2) Spam in a different language

Mail in Panther is set to have better filtering plus add the ability to key off of ISP level warnings like Spaminator.

BZ

renpar61 · Aug 12, 2003, 11:58 AM

Originally posted by phillryu:
Seems about right, except mine doesn't add up to 110%

Are you saying if you watch too much porn you loose... math skills?

philm · Aug 12, 2003, 01:18 PM

Originally posted by Mastrap:
It's important to empty your trash for mail to keep learning.

I had not heard this before. Surely once it is in your Junk folder it knows it is junk. Why do you have to empty the trash?

ASIMO · Aug 12, 2003, 06:10 PM

Originally posted by renpar61:
Are you saying if you watch too much porn you loose... math skills?

I am not sure about math skills, but it apparently does seem to have an adverse effect on your verbal skills.

By the way, excellent topic, critter.

Mastrap · Aug 13, 2003, 12:25 AM

Originally posted by renpar61:
I get a lot of spam but never porn, Mastrap!
Maybe if you stop visiting porn sites you won't get as much porn spam...

I'm sorry, I couldn't resist...

Yeah, right. Another common spam myth.

Mastrap · Aug 13, 2003, 12:32 AM

Originally posted by philm:
I had not heard this before. Surely once it is in your Junk folder it knows it is junk. Why do you have to empty the trash?

From mail help:

" You should also periodically delete junk messages. Correcting misidentified messages, and deleting junk messages, improves Mail's ability to correctly detect junk mail."

110%. Damn. Sorry.

Well, I get a lot of spam

JHromadka · Aug 13, 2003, 08:45 AM

Why is it that some messages are marked as junk but remain in my Inbox? I have to manually delete these.

philm · Aug 13, 2003, 09:26 AM

Originally posted by JHromadka:
Why is it that some messages are marked as junk but remain in my Inbox? I have to manually delete these.

You need to turn Mail on to Automatic mode. Go Mail... Junk Mail...Automatic.

xi_hyperon · Aug 13, 2003, 01:21 PM

Originally posted by Mastrap:
mail.app is catching about 90% of my spam. Do we all get different spam, maybe?

Me:

40% penis enlargement pills, Viagra and general drugs.
30% money making schemes, including mortgages
30% porn
10% other. Nigerian scams, etc...

It's important to empty your trash for mail to keep learning.

You know how when you gloss over text quickly, your mind sometimes forms words that aren't actually there? Mastrap, looking at your spam breakdown, I thought I saw "monkey porn" in there somewhere.