[Eug Wanker]

Looks sweet. Any release date for it yet? I'm guessing no because I don't see it on Roxio website. Last I heard was sometime in September. It seems it may come out before Panther though. (I hope.)

[Adam Betts]

Where's the screenshots of Toast 6?

[dtriska]

http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/2003/07/18/toast6/

and

http://www.thinksecret.com/news/toast6spindoctor.html

[Mac Write]

One thing that broke in Toast 5 in Jaguar is you are limited to 32 character CD titles. I use 100_ Character CD titles. I hope this is fixed in Toast 6. That will make the upgrade worth it.

[Thain Esh Kelch]

Originally posted by Mac Write:
One thing that broke in Toast 5 in Jaguar is you are limited to 32 character CD titles. I use 100_ Character CD titles. I hope this is fixed in Toast 6. That will make the upgrae worth it.

Where are CD titles displayed? I havent seen a single character being displayed ever on anything with a display..

[Spheric Harlot]

Originally posted by Thain Esh Kelch:
Where are CD titles displayed? I havent seen a single character being displayed ever on anything with a display..

In the Finder, and on any CD player that supports CD text.

-s*

[Eug]

Toast 6 is out in September. Roxio press release. Specs PDF.

If you pre-order, you get a free gift and a $20 rebate. Shipping is $7 in the US, but $18 for Canada, and the rebate is no good in Canada.

[Moonray]

Still no overburn, some improvements here and there, nothing really new and they want their customers to pay the full price again?

Thank you, there are good luck other burning apps coming up.

-

[gorickey]

There is a nice flash preview of Toast 6 and it's feature set on the Toast 6 Roxio page as well, check it out if you want some good screen shots of the program.

[memento]

Supposed to have huge improvements in VCD burning.

[starman]

Where's the Toast 5->6 upgrade price???

Mike

[Eug]

Originally posted by Moonray:
Still no overburn, some improvements here and there, nothing really new and they want their customers to pay the full price again?

Cool video stuff. The ability burn discs remotely. Automatic backup. Encryption and password protection. Burn directly from the desktop without launching Toast first. See here.

It seems like a pretty good upgrade. I'm buying this for sure.

[starman]

Ok...seriously...who's going to burn CDs remotely?

"Hon...do me a favor and go to my computer room and grab a blank CD. Yeah. Pop it into the Mac. Ok..thanks".

This does NOTHING for me.

Burning from the desktop without launching Toast first. Worth $100? No.

Cool video stuff. I paid for DVD Studio Pro. It doesn't get much better than that. Besides, iMovie is free and iDVD is $50. What else do you need?

Encryption only works on Mac-only discs. Useless.

I think I'll stick with Toast 5 for the time being. I'm not paying full price for what are useless upgrades to me.

All I need it to do is burn data CDs/DVDs and disk images. I don't do anything fancy.

(But ooooh...I get a free T-Shirt if I preorder ).

Mike

[Severed Hand of Skywalker]

Originally posted by starman:
Ok...seriously...who's going to burn CDs remotely?

We will for one. It is easier then transering the files then booting the person, sorting the CD and burining it. If I can just pop in a CD and do it from another computer that is great.

[Severed Hand of Skywalker]

Originally posted by starman:
Encryption only works on Mac-only discs. Useless.

Well if you are burning for Macs only I would call that very useful.

[Eug]

I think I'll stick with Toast 5 for the time being. I'm not paying full price for what are useless upgrades to me.

And of course, that's your choice. Indeed, Toast 5 is quite a good program already.

OTOH, I for one will be buying it as soon as I see in the store. (I don't want to pay for shipping from the US.)

[starman]

It just seems to me that some of the options are for businesses which I don't feel like I should pay for since I'll never use them. If there were a $50 upgrade path (like all their other versions), I'd pay that in a heartbeat.

*shrug*

Mike

[Eug]

Originally posted by starman:
It just seems to me that some of the options are for businesses which I don't feel like I should pay for since I'll never use them. If there were a $50 upgrade path (like all their other versions), I'd pay that in a heartbeat.

You already said all the upgrades would be useless to you though. Why even spend the $50?

[starman]

The "new features" are what I feel are useless. I should have been more clear. I like updates to what already exists, and I'll accept new features if I can use them, but unless the new features of any product are useful, I can't justify paying full price. Like their sVCD support. Whoopie. I can make my own DVDs so what's the point? Regular backups? Retrospect. Remote burning? I'd never use it. Encryption? I'd rather have it cross-platform, but to this day, I never burned an encrypted CD.

Mike

[gorickey]

Originally posted by starman:
The "new features" are what I feel are useless. I should have been more clear. I like updates to what already exists, and I'll accept new features if I can use them, but unless the new features of any product are useful, I can't justify paying full price. Like their sVCD support. Whoopie. I can make my own DVDs so what's the point? Regular backups? Retrospect. Remote burning? I'd never use it. Encryption? I'd rather have it cross-platform, but to this day, I never burned an encrypted CD.

Mike

Okay, we got it...you don't want to pay for the new "feature" set...however, that's just you. Others will want these features and gladly fork over a full retail price for them. Simple.

Move along people, move along...

[Dale Sorel]

Originally posted by starman:
The "new features" are what I feel are useless.

Solution: don't buy it

[Severed Hand of Skywalker]

Starman stop bitching about new cool features that lots of people will use and don't buy the damn thing.

Stick with Toast 5 as it is great and doesn't break the day Toast 6 comes out.

I for one am very excited about toast 6 and welcome the new features.

[El Mariachi]

* Bin/Cue image support NEW!

What do they meen? Do i have to dl the .cue file to burn a .bin file in Toast 6?

In Toast 5 I just burn the .bin file as an Disk Image. And every thing is ok.

[Raining Down in Texas]

I think that you really have to respect Roxio. Other companies claim that Apple is stepping on their toes with the iApps or professional apps and leave the Mac market. With Toast, Roxio is improving a program that has a lot of iApp and OS competition - iTunes, iPhoto, iDVD, and Finder - and they're showing up Apple with some of the new features. I have a Powerbook with a Superdrive, but sometimes I'd like to backup files that live on my Superdriveless iMac to DVD - Toast will fill the niche nicely. Also, the Backup capability should fill the low end user niche that dantz left behind.

Kudos to Roxio! I'm looking forward to this upgrade.

[JellyBeen]

Originally posted by El Mariachi:
* Bin/Cue image support NEW!

What do they meen? Do i have to dl the .cue file to burn a .bin file in Toast 6?

In Toast 5 I just burn the .bin file as an Disk Image. And every thing is ok.

Yes its ok but not a standard format. It will not play on all or most DVD players.I know I do it too...but it won't work for everyone.

[Agasthya]

Originally posted by starman:
I think I'll stick with Toast 5 for the time being. I'm not paying full price for what are useless upgrades to me.

the problem is that toast 5 is broken in panther and I don't think they intend on fixing it...so if you want professional burning under panther, then toast 6 is probably the only way to go.

[PHoynak]

This could come in handy for me. If I could backup my iBook to the DVD drive in my eMac that would be better than using a ton of cd's. Now getting the data back to the iBook is another story but is do-able.

[Moonray]

All the new 'features' are nothing I would really need, except full bin/cue (it doesn't work properly now) support and (S)VCD menu editing, but certainly not for that price. I can do that perfectly and perhaps better with free apps like VCD Bulider, cdrdao, and others. Paying Roxio for that would be the same as buying my blank CD-Rs for $2 or $3 for a year or longer.

The only feature I would welcome and really use but still seems to be lacking would be the ability to overburn CDs, something that is common to about every other burning app, but maybe they try to get another $50 or $100 for that next year.

(And I really wonder how long some of you survived without remote burning or encrypted CDs )

-

[Eug]

the problem is that toast 5 is broken in panther and I don't think they intend on fixing it...so if you want professional burning under panther, then toast 6 is probably the only way to go.

Hmmm... Didn't think of it that way. I had assumed they'd provide a Toast 5 update. I'd think it'd be reasonable not to update it from a purely practical point of view, but nonetheless, a lot of people will be p!ssed if they don't, esp. if there isn't a good upgrade price for Toast 6.

And I really wonder how long some of you survived without remote burning or encrypted CDs

Actually, I've wanted encrypted folders and encrypted CDs (for backups of those encrypted folders) for a while. Gotta hide all that porn. No seriously, I have some confidential info that I'd like to carry around with me on the laptop, but without encryption it's not a good idea.

P.S. Despite the fact I like the name (and I like my TiBook too), isn't the Titanium name getting kind of old now, considering the current Apple hardware? Toast 6 Aluminum would sound kind of strange, but what about Toast 6 Platinum?

[starman]

Hmmm... Didn't think of it that way. I had assumed they'd provide a Toast 5 update. I'd think it'd be reasonable not to update it from a purely practical point of view, but nonetheless, a lot of people will be p!ssed if they don't, esp. if there isn't a good upgrade price for Toast 6.

Well, I haven't tried Toast 5 with the latest Panther build yet, but that's my point - there's no UPGRADE price for Toast 6. I'll have to DL the latest Panther from Apple's site later and see if Toast 5 works with it or not. If it doesn't, I'm going to be seriously pissed off.

Mike

[dark3lf]

Toast 5 does not work.

[starman]

So people have to pay for Panther.
Then pay FULL PRICE for the Roxio upgrade.
On top of that, I've seen that a bunch of other apps don't work with Panther. Some companies offer small, free upgrades, others, like Roxio, don't.

I don't see why I'm not allowed to get upset with all the friggin' money I have to shell out next month.

(Cue someone with a smartass remark like: "Nobody's putting a gun to your head to upgrade"). Actually, I do have to if I want to keep the software I write up to date. Maybe I should start charging for it.

Mike

[OwlBoy]

Use for Remote Burning:

Say you have a ton of **** to burn / backup.

Say you have 2 or more macs.

Say its all one one mac.

Save time and burn 2 or more CDs (well ok, if the app supports it... I hope it does) from the one mac w/o having to copy the files over first.

-Owl

[::maroma::]

Originally posted by starman:
So people have to pay for Panther.
Then pay FULL PRICE for the Roxio upgrade.
On top of that, I've seen that a bunch of other apps don't work with Panther. Some companies offer small, free upgrades, others, like Roxio, don't.

I don't see why I'm not allowed to get upset with all the friggin' money I have to shell out next month.

(Cue someone with a smartass remark like: "Nobody's putting a gun to your head to upgrade"). Actually, I do have to if I want to keep the software I write up to date. Maybe I should start charging for it.

Mike

Are you sure the Roxio wont offer a small update for Toast 5.x that will allow you to run it in Panther?

[Agasthya]

Originally posted by ::maroma:::
Are you sure the Roxio wont offer a small update for Toast 5.x that will allow you to run it in Panther?

I highly doubt that they will. Why would Roxio release an update that would deter users from upgrading to version 6? Apple used a similar tactic when they released the 3rd Gen iPods and didn't provide the 2.0 firmware for the older iPods - Apple never said why it did this so I'm assuming that it was strictly to increase the appeal of upgrading.

[starman]

Originally posted by ::maroma:::
Are you sure the Roxio wont offer a small update for Toast 5.x that will allow you to run it in Panther?

It's not listed anywhere on their site.

Mike

[iFix Rene]

and they finally updated that fugly interface
that alone is worth the price!

LOL

[fado]

So much talk, no news stated about current owners of toast 5 until I got the Roxio email. It seems that Roxio is now actually providing a small discount... of $20. However, it is not instant. You better wait your time for those wonderful mail-in rebates to process.

Now then the real catch is... are those shirts actually FREE. If you look at it as a current user... yes they are.

[Immortal K-Mart Employee]

Originally posted by starman:
So people have to pay for Panther.
Then pay FULL PRICE for the Roxio upgrade.
On top of that, I've seen that a bunch of other apps don't work with Panther. Some companies offer small, free upgrades, others, like Roxio, don't.

1) You do not HAVE to upgrade to Panther.
2) Who has said that Roxio will not update Toast 5?

[starman]

Originally posted by Immortal K-Mart Employee:
1) You do not HAVE to upgrade to Panther.
2) Who has said that Roxio will not update Toast 5?

1) You don't know how to read.
2) There's no upgrade price on their web site.

Mike

[FunandBlindness]

What about Toast with Jam? Is Jam getting upgraded to v.6?

[Dr. Galakowitz]

I have to agree with Starman.

The fact that Roxio has decided against a $50 upgrade price and the fact that Toast 5 is broken in Panther has me fuming.

Look at it this way:

Adobe is GIVING away a G5 upgrade to Photoshop- FREE! Most upgrades are a fraction of the previous version.

Even Apple has an Up to Date program: $99 to keep you in the latest OS for 3 years! So once you buy the OS, $30/yr to keep it current.

But if you bought toast 5 this year, it's $99 to keep you current.

This is so reminscent of people that put out shareware and try to charge $50. Granted, Toast is a great product, but greediness soon loses marketshare. Disk burning in the OS is by no means as elegant as Toast . But I've been a loyal customer since the days when it was owned by Astarte and 2x burning was the major newsflash. In those days, the product was geared toward business/creative industries and was not cheap. I have watched the product evolve and have been impressed for the most part with the improvements. I have also watched Roxio struggle as of late with what to do with a product that is nearly perfect in execution. Their answer? Fill it with extra fluff and double the upgrade cost .

The issue is I will have to upgrade 1200 systems to Panther next year and a good number are running Toast. I now have to consider the cost of upgrading is double...

So, like Starman, I have to buy it and I don't like Roxio's new sense of customer loyalty.

[Severed Hand of Skywalker]

Originally posted by starman:
1) You don't know how to read.
2) There's no upgrade price on their web site.

Mike

1) You don't know how to answer a question
2) Who said that Toast 5 will not be updated?

[starman]

Originally posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker:
1) You don't know how to answer a question
2) Who said that Toast 5 will not be updated?

1) I answered the question above already.
2) Please point to an upgrade price link on Toast's web site.

Mike

[Eug Wanker]

Note, Panther isn't even out yet. You can't complain about Toast 5 not working in Panther yet.

Anyways, I asked around and it seems that stores around here don't expect to get it in stock until mid to late September.

[starman]

Originally posted by Eug Wanker:
Note, Panther isn't even out yet. You can't complain about Toast 5 not working in Panther yet.

You can if you're an Apple Seed Developer.

Mike

[PubGuy]

Well, I've justed checked out Dragon Burn for OS X

http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/2003/08/19/dragon/

It works with 10.2 and Panther. Seems to have all the features of Toast 6 for half the price.

YMMV

[Severed Hand of Skywalker]

Originally posted by starman:
1) I answered the question above already.
2) Please point to an upgrade price link on Toast's web site.

Mike

Upgrade price? I am talking about Toast 5 just getting a minor update so it runs on Jaguar. Duh.

Plus when Final Cut didn't run on the Jag demo's did you through a hissy fit? No, cuz it started working again in the next build.

[workerbee]

Originally posted by PubGuy:
Well, I've justed checked out Dragon Burn for OS X
It works with 10.2 and Panther. Seems to have all the features of Toast 6 for half the price.

When burning hybrid (say HFS+/Joliet) discs, is it possible with Dragon to change what is burned on the Joliet side of things? I haven't been able to find this option anywhere yet.
Changing names (or being warned of incompatible names inside a mac folder, like .icon) and especially being able to not have Mac Projectors on the Joliet partition, and vice-versa no Windoze .exe Projectors and autostart files on the HFS disc has really been helpful for Director and Flash CD-ROM projects. Toast may be expensive, but even in Roxio hands they have a lot of experience, IMHO.

[starman]

Originally posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker:
Upgrade price? I am talking about Toast 5 just getting a minor update so it runs on Jaguar. Duh.

Plus when Final Cut didn't run on the Jag demo's did you through a hissy fit? No, cuz it started working again in the next build.

But Apple already stated on their support forums that it would so to you.

Mike