[Mallrat]

I had to reinstall my software and for whatever reason, something I did, I dont' have my favorite font, NEW YORK installed.

Where can I get this from?

And where did I leave it out?


Thanks.

[asxless]

Originally posted by Mallrat:
I had to reinstall my software and for whatever reason, something I did, I dont' have my favorite font, NEW YORK installed.

Where can I get this from?

And where did I leave it out?

The "New York" font is normally found in the Classic: System Folder - Fonts folder. It is included on the OS X Install and Upgrade CDs as part of Classic.

-- asxless in iland

[Arkham_c]

Code:
[dshaw@flybook ~] locate York
/System Folder/Fonts/New York
/System/Library/Frameworks/JavaVM.framework/Versions/1.4.1/Home/lib/zi/America/New_York
/usr/share/zoneinfo/America/New_York

The first one is what you want. It's in the OS9 System Folder.

[Mallrat]

Originally posted by asxless:
The "New York" font is normally found in the Classic: System Folder - Fonts folder. It is included on the OS X Install and Upgrade CDs as part of Classic.

-- asxless in iland

So i've not reinstalled everythign on my computer and I'm a bit afraid to put the OS X cd in and accidently mess up what I did.

what are the steps to get the font I want back on?

do I have to use the Mac OS install Disc and then just install classic?

let me know please. Thank you.

[Art Vandelay]

Originally posted by asxless:
It is included on the OS X Install and Upgrade CDs as part of Classic.

-- asxless in iland

The OS X installers do not and have not ever installed the Classic OS. You have to have an OS 9 CD or a Restore CD/DVD to install Classic. Only OS X 10.0 and 10.1 included a separate OS 9 CD. OS X 10.2 does not include an OS 9 CD.

Your Mac should have come with an OS 9 CD or a Restore CD/DVD. You can install Classic from either of these to retrieve your font.

[Mallrat]

Originally posted by Art Vandelay:
The OS X installers do not and have not ever installed the Classic OS. You have to have an OS 9 CD or a Restore CD/DVD to install Classic. Only OS X 10.0 and 10.1 included a separate OS 9 CD. OS X 10.2 does not include an OS 9 CD.

Your Mac should have come with an OS 9 CD or a Restore CD/DVD. You can install Classic from either of these to retrieve your font.

Thank you.

Another questions, is New York only an OS 9 font then?

Why isn't it included with Mac OS X?

Seems odd. Anyway thanks for the help.

[Art Vandelay]

Originally posted by Mallrat:
Thank you.

Another questions, is New York only an OS 9 font then?

Why isn't it included with Mac OS X?

Seems odd. Anyway thanks for the help.

It is only included with OS 9, but OS X can use OS 9 fonts.

Apple didn't include many of the standard OS 9 fonts in OS X. Maybe they wanted to go with new looking fonts instead of the ones that have been around a long time.

[jfinete]

On older Macs, high quality "printer" fonts like Times and Helvetica were not always readable on a 640x480 resolution screen. So Apple included "screen" fonts, like New York, and Geneva, which would be used as a substitute for printer fonts.

Now we have 1024x768 screens, and anti-aliased text rendering, so we can read the standard fonts like Times. Since those fonts look nicer, we no longer need screen-specific fonts, like New York.

If you have documents that use New York (or if you actually like it) go ahead and copy it to your OS X font folder.

[asxless]

Originally posted by Art Vandelay:
The OS X installers do not and have not ever installed the Classic OS. You have to have an OS 9 CD or a Restore CD/DVD to install Classic. Only OS X 10.0 and 10.1 included a separate OS 9 CD. OS X 10.2 does not include an OS 9 CD.

Your Mac should have come with an OS 9 CD or a Restore CD/DVD. You can install Classic from either of these to retrieve your font.

Art,
You are correct. I was a sloppy in my language. Classic is on the OS X 10.2 'restore CDs' not the 'install CDs'.

But one does not have to install OS 9 / Classic just to use the New York font. FWIW New York has been a Mac OS font since the very first Mac. And has been included in all Mac OS install disks until 10.2.x when Steve decided to declare the Mac OS 'dead'. Since then it has been on the 'restore' CDs.

Mallrat,

You will gain access to New York if you install Classic as Art suggests. But you do not need to install Classic to use the New York font. OS X will recognize the New York font if you place it in any of several OS X font directories (e.g. /Library/Fonts, ~/Library/Fonts). Use the former if you want all users to have access to the font.

How you extract the New York font depends on which Mac OS install/restore CDs you have and how much effort you are willing to expend to avoid installing Classic. For example, I can easily extract the New York font from the PowerMac G4 Restore CD by simply...
* inserting the Restore CD #1
* double clicking the CD icon
* selecting the Finder menu item 'Go to Folder'... then type in .images
* mounting the disk image OS9General.dmg (by double clicking it)
* navigating to the Font folder in the System Folder
* dragging New York into /Library/Fonts

The choice is yours.

-- asxless

[Mallrat]

Thanks for your help... I did install the New York font...I just always found it easier on the eyes... and I guess it was invented because of that... so that's cool.

Thanks again.

[asxless]

Originally posted by jfinete:
On older Macs, high quality "printer" fonts like Times and Helvetica were not always readable on a 640x480 resolution screen. So Apple included "screen" fonts, like New York, and Geneva, which would be used as a substitute for printer fonts.

Now we have 1024x768 screens, and anti-aliased text rendering, so we can read the standard fonts like Times. Since those fonts look nicer, we no longer need screen-specific fonts, like New York.

If you have documents that use New York (or if you actually like it) go ahead and copy it to your OS X font folder.

True. The original New York font was a 'screen font' (i.e. bit mapped) which was designed to look reasonable at 72dpi without antialiasing. But it was also a 'printer font' for the then common dot matrix printers (e.g. Apple ImageWriter). The current incarnation of New York is a TrueType font which supports on screen antialiasing and both screen and printer scaling.

BTW as with many of the original Mac fonts, the font name is a pun alluding to the typographic font it was designed to resemble -- New York Times.

-- asxless