[TheIceMan]

Guys, just wondering how the progress on OW 5.0 is. I know, I know...we'll get it when you guys are ready to release it. But does that mean no sneaky peeks then? Also, can you guys give us some sort of hint regarding what to expect in 5.0?

[Adam Betts]

I'd have to post this image again... Omni, where are we at now?

[Michaelm8000]

Originally posted by TheIceMan:
Guys, just wondering how the progress on OW 5.0 is. I know, I know...we'll get it when you guys are ready to release it. But does that mean no sneaky peeks then? Also, can you guys give us some sort of hint regarding what to expect in 5.0?

I may not be Rick or T2 but I do know OmniWeb 5 is looking incredible!

[oVeRmInD911]

Originally posted by Michaelm8000:
I may not be Rick or T2 but I do know OmniWeb 5 is looking incredible!

*mindmelds with Michaelm8000*

Wow!

[Gee4orce]

Originally posted by Michaelm8000:
I may not be Rick or T2 but I do know OmniWeb 5 is looking incredible!

Meanie tease !

[TheIceMan]

Originally posted by Michaelm8000:
I may not be Rick or T2 but I do know OmniWeb 5 is looking incredible!

That's a mean tease. Hehehe.

[Horsepoo!!!]

Originally posted by Michaelm8000:
I may not be Rick or T2 but I do know OmniWeb 5 is looking incredible!

Haha...yeah right...I bet it looks like crap. Prove it if it looks so incredible.

[gorickey]

I just want it to work...and be fast...and have every feature anybody has ever asked for, and then some. That's all...

[Krypton]

Originally posted by Michaelm8000:
I may not be Rick or T2 but I do know OmniWeb 5 is looking incredible!

Well you being their chief graphics person, of course it looks incredible

[Tim2 at Omni]

Originally posted by Adam Betts:
I'd have to post this image again... Omni, where are we at now?

Hmm... would you consider OmniWeb 5 to be more like the pot, or more like the steak?

Okay, I'm obviously avoiding the question.

Progress is being made, though.

[Tim2 at Omni]

Originally posted by Tim2 at Omni:
Hmm... would you consider OmniWeb 5 to be more like the pot, or more like the steak?

Okay, I'm obviously avoiding the question.

Progress is being made, though.

Hmm... the more I look at that image, the more I realize it's probably a roast. Steaks aren't usually made in pots.

[Sharky K.]

clear case of "avoiding behaviour"

[BZ]

Maybe we should try the "if we post false rumors, OmniGroup will have to tell us the truth"...

ok, here we go...

I head it was coming out tomorrow, was going to cost $150 per CPU and not be able to handle CSS or JavaScript.

I also heard it word only on Longhorn.



BZ

[Tim2 at Omni]

Originally posted by BZ:
Maybe we should try the "if we post false rumors, OmniGroup will have to tell us the truth"...

ok, here we go...

I head it was coming out tomorrow, was going to cost $150 per CPU and not be able to handle CSS or JavaScript.

I also heard it word only on Longhorn.



BZ

Oh, crap. The cat's out of the bag, people. He's right on.

[Sharky K.]

[Chuckit]

Originally posted by BZ:
Maybe we should try the "if we post false rumors, OmniGroup will have to tell us the truth"...

I heard OmniGroup was bought by Microsoft to develop for their new Web browsing hardware! They promise they'll still develop for Mac, though.

[wjsomni]

I was allowed by our firm (yet gentle) marketing weasels to "leak" a little bit about OmniWeb 5 on The Mac Night Owl Live, which, because of server problems, wasn't live at all, so the interview will be up this Friday.

Oooh, the anticipation!

-Wil

[ambush]

Guys, I don't want to listen to the stream

Can anyone transcript

[cpac]

Originally posted by wjsomni:
I was allowed by our firm (yet gentle) marketing weasels to "leak" a little bit about OmniWeb 5 on The Mac Night Owl Live, which, because of server problems, wasn't live at all, so the interview will be up this Friday.

Oooh, the anticipation!

-Wil

seems like its up - any hints on when in the program you appeared/slipped up?

[TheIceMan]

Originally posted by ambush:
Guys, I don't want to listen to the stream

Can anyone transcript

I second that request.

[Jan Van Boghout]

Originally posted by TheIceMan:
I second that request.

Make that three

[Tim2 at Omni]

Sorry, guys -- The stream on that page seems to be the show from yesterday. Wil is going to be on this Friday.

[BZ]

Well, Tim.... if he can let it slip, why can't you let it slip here to us VERY LOYAL OmniGroup customers?

Hmmm?


Tim?


Just one little screenshot!

Just a SP?

PLuuuuhhlleeeeeze!

BZ

[TheIceMan]

ROTFL! That might just work!

[gregomni]

Gee, I'd love to give you guys some screenshots, seeing as how I'm running OW5 right this minute, and talk all about the features implemented so far and further plans and all...

... but I'm not Rick or Tim, so clearly you weren't talking to me. Oh well.

[cpac]

Originally posted by gregomni:
Gee, I'd love to give you guys some screenshots, seeing as how I'm running OW5 right this minute, and talk all about the features implemented so far and further plans and all...

... but I'm not Rick or Tim, so clearly you weren't talking to me. Oh well.

hey greg, how 'bout a screenshot or two, or a feature or something?

please greg?

greg?
GREG?
GREG of OMNI?
GREG?
GREG GREG?

(or while I"m at it, OmniGroup Anybody? Bueller? Anybody?)

[addiecool]

The eleventh Commandment...

XI. Thou being TIM2 shall not hide your software from your loyals.

OK Tim2 you heard the man, Its official now

[TheIceMan]

Originally posted by gregomni:
Gee, I'd love to give you guys some screenshots, seeing as how I'm running OW5 right this minute, and talk all about the features implemented so far and further plans and all...

... but I'm not Rick or Tim, so clearly you weren't talking to me. Oh well.

Alright, very funny. Honestly though, OmniWeb developers (all you guys/gals), couldn't we get some sp's or screenies, and not just the "About OmniWeb" shot but something that will show things to come, but would allow you guys to keep it somewhat "secret"?

There are LOTS of loyal OmniWeb fans/users here at MacNN, come on what do you say?

[BZ]

That is VERY VERY VERY cruel.

I live and breathe OW. It is my web surfer, my link checker, my companion.

Why must you keep my new buddy away from me?

Think of all the nice crash reports I could send...

"MMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmm craaaaash reports"

BZ

Originally posted by gregomni:
Gee, I'd love to give you guys some screenshots, seeing as how I'm running OW5 right this minute, and talk all about the features implemented so far and further plans and all...

... but I'm not Rick or Tim, so clearly you weren't talking to me. Oh well.

[JKT]

Seeing as this is the active OmniWeb thread of the moment, have you folks seen the new plug-in OmniSaft (for fullscreen OmniWeb 4.5)
Be warned - I'd make a backup of your prefs etc before using it as this version reset my customised toolbar settings back to the OW default, but other than that it seems to work as advertised.

P.S. here is my prediction for Friday - Wil will let slip that it is... wait for it... (whispers) going to be called OmniWeb 5 and that it'll be released "when it's ready"... remember, you heard it here first

[Horsepoo!!!]

Originally posted by JKT:

P.S. here is my prediction for Friday - Wil will let slip that it is... wait for it... (whispers) going to be called OmniWeb 5 and that it'll be released "when it's ready"... remember, you heard it here first

Whoooa! How do you know this? You must have some kind of super-power.

[OAW]

Originally posted by gregomni:
Gee, I'd love to give you guys some screenshots, seeing as how I'm running OW5 right this minute, and talk all about the features implemented so far and further plans and all...

... but I'm not Rick or Tim, so clearly you weren't talking to me. Oh well.

Speaking of features, the ones that keep me using Safari over OW 4.5 are ...

1. Tabs. Of course, OW 5 will have some sort of "multi-page browsing in a single window" ... so I'm not worried about that.

2. Favicons. This makes it much easier to identify websites in my Bookmarks. The single icon that OW uses seems so "plain" now.

3. Bookmarks Window. The Safari implementation is much more easy and intuitive than the drawer implementation in OW.

If OW 5 had these features, and was just as fast as Safari .... I'd definitely jump back on the OW bandwagon.

OAW

[Tim2 at Omni]

Originally posted by OAW:
Speaking of features, the ones that keep me using Safari over OW 4.5 are ...

1. Tabs.
2. Favicons.
3. Bookmarks Window.

I think it's pretty safe to say (and it should be kind of obvious) that we've made pretty big strides in all three of these areas.

Here's a SCREENSHOT!!!



...Of... part... of the titlebar. But it's on Panther! Oooh! Ahhh!

[Mr Scruff]

Originally posted by Tim2 at Omni:
I think it's pretty safe to say (and it should be kind of obvious) that we've made pretty big strides in all three of these areas.

Here's a SCREENSHOT!!!



...Of... part... of the titlebar. But it's on Panther! Oooh! Ahhh!

So it's not brushed metal then?

[Tim2 at Omni]

Originally posted by Mr Scruff:
So it's not brushed metal then?

Heeeellllll no.

[chris v]

Originally posted by Tim2 at Omni:
Heeeellllll no.

Hallelujah.

CV

[CharlesS]

Originally posted by Tim2 at Omni:
Heeeellllll no.

BTW, one other feature I'd like to see in OmniWeb is a slightly improved type-ahead find. OW 4.5's is great compared, to, say, Safari, which doesn't have it at all. But some of the Gecko-based browsers have added type-ahead find that lets you type text that occurs in the middle of a link instead of just at the beginning. This feature could be handy, and currently the only way to get it on OS X is to use one of the ugly XUL browsers such as Mozilla or Firebird. Sure, you can get it on the latest Camino nightlies, but those are currently about as stable as the Titanic.

Just a suggestion...

[cpac]

so since we now have a nice screen shot, maybe we ought to consolidate the OW 5.0 rumored features going around. Here's a list to get us started

• tab substitute
• new progress indicator
• more speed
• some sort of IE scrapbook equivalent
• favicons
• better bookmark managment
• better compatibility (newer webcore + omni's fixes)
• keychain based auto-fill
• a wacky new icon?
• ???

As for timing, my guess is that 5.0 will be out, at least in sp form, but maybe better, a few weeks after Panther ships (so that the latest webcore can be adopted, etc.).

Oh, and Omni people, will 5.0 be Panther only? Or will it run in Jag as well?

[Tim2 at Omni]

Originally posted by cpac:
Oh, and Omni people, will 5.0 be Panther only? Or will it run in Jag as well?

Right now, it runs on both Jaguar and Panther. I'm pretty sure it's going to stay that way, too.

[OAW]

Originally posted by Tim2 at Omni:
I think it's pretty safe to say (and it should be kind of obvious) that we've made pretty big strides in all three of these areas.

Here's a SCREENSHOT!!!



...Of... part... of the titlebar. But it's on Panther! Oooh! Ahhh!

That is really good news. One thing I forgot to mention though is AutoFill. As it stands now Safari's implementation rocks. OW's implementation leaves a lot to be desired.

Also, someone mentioned "type ahead find". I"m not sure what is meant by that but if it means what URL is highlighted as one types in the URL bar I kind of like the way Safari does it. It seems to remember the last one you went to by default which is kind of nice. I don't find myself having to constantly backspace over a bunch of stuff at the end of the URL. Maybe someone can explain what "type ahead find" is and how OW differs from Safari?

OAW

[cpac]

Originally posted by OAW:
Maybe someone can explain what "type ahead find" is and how OW differs from Safari?

OAW

Type ahead allows you to type a few letters of a link on any page to select that link. Like when you're viewing this thread, if you type "news" the news link at the top of the page will be selected, and you can follow the link by hitting return.

I don't use it all that much personally, but some certainly do, and they love it. (hmmm, maybe I'll start trying it a bit more)

Oh, and it differs from safari in that safari doesn't have it.

[CharlesS]

Originally posted by OAW:
Maybe someone can explain what "type ahead find" is and how OW differs from Safari?

Go to the main MacNN Forums page by typing 'forums.macnn.com' into the location field. You get the main page. Now say you want to go to the Mac OS X forum. But your hand is already on the keyboard, and you don't want to go for the mouse. What to do? In OmniWeb, just type "Mac OS X" on the keyboard. It will select the link. Now hit Return. You go there.

That's type-ahead find. Try it in Safari and nothing happens.

It is the most handy thing in the world when browsing through Apple's HTML documentation for Carbon and Cocoa.

The improvement I am asking for in OW 5 is to make it possible to type text in the middle of a link. In the above example, it would be nice to be able to simply type "OS X" instead of "Mac OS X" (actually, you only have to type "Mac O" before it narrows it down to that link, but that's beside the point).

[BZ]

I have posted my list before... BUT...

1) Some sort of "tabby thingy" and if the people behind OmniGraffle have ANYTHING to do with OW 5.0 in terms of interface, I KNOW I am going to be happy.

2) Favicons. I love this. It is great in bookmarks and better in the url bar. Now the question is, how do you do this and the color coded bookmarks that rocks in OW 4.5?

3) Password auto fill. I reaaally like this about Safari. It helps a ton.

I personally like the bookmarks. I keep mine floating in a window to the right of the browser window so I can click, shuffle window, click, etc. I would like the ability to click a series of bookmarks and mark viewed (now you have to do one at a time).

Other little stuff:
- Speed. Yeah. Make it faster. Faster than anything so we never have to worry about someone saying OW is slow.
- Keep everything customizable. I love that I can customize anything.
- Add the google (search) area like in Safari. Go ahead and make it better if you want, but just put it in. I use that a ton.


BZ

[BZ]

Of course... five seconds after posting here.. I see this over at MacArs.

http://www.irider.com/demo/index.htm

Try the flash demo... it has some REALLY nice features. The surf head, multiple links, all of it...very cool.

Just think what OG designers could do with those features.

Jake

[CharlesS]

Originally posted by BZ:
Of course... five seconds after posting here.. I see this over at MacArs.

http://www.irider.com/demo/index.htm

Try the flash demo... it has some REALLY nice features. The surf head, multiple links, all of it...very cool.

Just think what OG designers could do with those features.

Jake

That didn't impress me so much... many of the supposedly great features, like being able to click on a link and have it open behind the page you're viewing, can be done with almost any Mac browser - OmniWeb, Safari, Camino, even the Mac version of IE 5. Even back in the OS 9 days, we could do that with iCab. Similarly, most of its features can be done with any tabbed/multiwindow browser on the Mac. It just goes to show some of the interface weaknesses of Windows IE.

The unique things I see about this browser:

1. The sidebar. This looks just like tabs to me, except that the tabs are on the left instead of on top of the page you're viewing. On Windows, this actually makes a lot of sense - Win users always maximize their windows so they take up the whole width of the screen, wasting *lots* of space. As long as that window is going to take up all that width, might as well use it for something. Mac users keep narrower window sizes, in order to be able to interact with the desktop and other windows via drag-and-drop, etc., so this would actually be a disadvantage on the Mac platform, as it would require your windows to be wider, thus reducing the number of other windows/icons you can see on the screen at once.

2. The ability to drag-select a group of links and open them all simultaneously. This was nice, and would be a great thing to have in a Mac browser.

3. I guess the thumbnails might be useful, but I can't know without trying it. It is a waste of horizontal space on the Mac, though, so I don't think it would work all that well here.

That's about it, though, AFAICT. Don't get me wrong - if you're a Windows user, this browser looks like it would be a tremendous improvement over WinIE. But it doesn't really make me very jealous, although I would like to have that drag-select links feature mentioned in point 2.

[cpac]

Originally posted by BZ:
- Add the google (search) area like in Safari. Go ahead and make it better if you want, but just put it in. I use that a ton.

Um, OmniWeb's had this for much longer than Safari's been around, but instead of having a separate field, you just type "google search term(s)" into the URL bar, and you can add others beyond just google (version tracker, imdb, yahoo, google picture search, citysearch, etc.)

[BZ]

You know what... I have NEVER gotten that to work...

In mine, it is "g"

So, when I type "g apple computer" and hit return it just goes to Google.com no search results.

Same for IMDB, etc. I type in "imdb crazy movie" and just brings me to my start page (Google.com).

What the heck am I doing wrong? I see the search thing as one of the suggested links in the drop down, but that is it.

BZ

Originally posted by cpac:
Um, OmniWeb's had this for much longer than Safari's been around, but instead of having a separate field, you just type "google search term(s)" into the URL bar, and you can add others beyond just google (version tracker, imdb, yahoo, google picture search, citysearch, etc.)

[CharlesS]

Originally posted by BZ:
You know what... I have NEVER gotten that to work...

In mine, it is "g"

So, when I type "g apple computer" and hit return it just goes to Google.com no search results.

Same for IMDB, etc. I type in "imdb crazy movie" and just brings me to my start page (Google.com).

What the heck am I doing wrong? I see the search thing as one of the suggested links in the drop down, but that is it.

BZ

Do you end the shortcut name with an '@'? In order for it to take an argument, it has to end with an @.

The beauty of this is that it allows you to have two different shortcuts for the same keyword, depending on whether you add an argument or not.

For example, I have vt set to http://www.versiontracker.com/macosx/ while vt@ is set to http://www.versiontracker.com/mp/new...amp;search=%@. That way I can type 'vt someapp' to search for some app, or just 'vt' to check today's updates for Mac OS X apps.

This makes Omni's implementation of keywords better than Mozilla/Camino's, IMO.

[cpac]

Originally posted by BZ:
You know what... I have NEVER gotten that to work...

Here are mine (for all who care to use them)
what it searches: shortcut destination URL

yahoo search: find@ http://search.yahoo.com/bin/search?p=%@
google search: google@ http://www.google.com/search?q=%@
google picture search: gpic@ http://images.google.com/images?q=%@
I.M.D.B.: imdb@ http://us.imdb.com/Find?%@
new york citysearch: ny@ http://newyork.citysearch.com/search...mp;x=0&y=0
salt lake city citysearch: slc@ http://utah.citysearch.com/search?la...h&query=%@
version tracker: vt@ http://www.versiontracker.com/mp/new...mp;x=0&y=0

the "@"s are very important, though they dont get typed in the URL field to execute the search.

[Adam Betts]

Originally posted by CharlesS:
It is the most handy thing in the world when browsing through Apple's HTML documentation for Carbon and Cocoa.

I agree. Type-ahead is the main reason why I bought OmniWeb 4. It does make my life easier.