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Horsepoo!!! · Sep 29, 2003, 05:00 PM

Stuffit Standard 8.0.

Stuffit Expander takes 15 bounces to launch under 10.3.
Not threaded.
Still no live scrolling in Prefs.

A wonderful release.

OwlBoy · Sep 29, 2003, 05:05 PM

Stuffit sucks so much, how many times has it been updated in OS X? 3? and it still is a crappy "Quick-OS9-to-OSX-Port"?

bah.

I hear it has trouble with permissions on apps that were stuffed too now....

Bah!

-Owl

Horsepoo!!! · Sep 29, 2003, 05:24 PM

Now that Panther natively compresses and decompresses zip, people might as well just use zip and dmg. There's no point in using sit anymore really.

It's frustrating that some people still choose to deliver their software via sit archives.

::maroma:: · Sep 29, 2003, 06:33 PM

I'm really wondering why Apple isn't putting pressure on Aladdin to improve the performance of Stuffit. Let's face it, it is a standard on the Mac (yeah, I wish it wasn't too). And it's been around long enough that it should be a really tight sleek app. But no, it's a pile of crap that keeps getting larger and more stinky.

Although, I guess the implementation of native zip support in Panther could be seen as putting the pressure on Aladdin. But somehow I don't think they'll do any better in the future. I think Apple needs to either put the serious squeeze on Aladdin, or offer something as robust and feature full as Stuffit. Native zip support will be much welcomed, but the sad fact is that 90% of the people out there will continue to use Stuffit to distribute their software.

Michel Fortin · Sep 29, 2003, 06:52 PM

Originally posted by ::maroma:::
Native zip support will be much welcomed, but the sad fact is that 90% of the people out there will continue to use Stuffit to distribute their software.

I'm not so sure about that. The reason many small developers are using stuffit currently is because many web servers do not handle .dmg files correctlly. Yes it's simple to make the server recognize a new type, but you usualy need to control the configuration and not everyone has that control over their server. Therefore they use stuffit archives.

If user experience is better when using zip instead of sit I think many small developers would follow.

The problem that may arrise now is that Stuffit Expander on older Mac OS probably won't unzip correctly ressources stored in a Panther zipped file.

TheIceMan · Sep 29, 2003, 07:49 PM

Ok this may be a dumb question. I don't have Panther so I don't know. But do you guys think that since Panther is using Zip to open files that somehow Apple has also allowed or programmed it to decompress .sit files?

Horsepoo!!! · Sep 29, 2003, 07:52 PM

Originally posted by TheIceMan:
Ok this may be a dumb question. I don't have Panther so I don't know. But do you guys think that since Panther is using Zip to open files that somehow Apple has also allowed or programmed it to decompress .sit files?

Nope...it's a proprietary format afaik. But it'd be really cool if Panther could decompress that sit archives. I'd get rid of Stuffit right away.

Developer · Sep 29, 2003, 07:59 PM

Originally posted by Horsepoo!!!:
A wonderful release.

Screenshots please.

Developer · Oct 1, 2003, 06:42 AM

Could someone post screenshots of StuffIt Expander 8 including the shadow?

Horsepoo!!! · Oct 1, 2003, 07:15 AM

Originally posted by Developer:
Could someone post screenshots of StuffIt Expander 8 including the shadow?

Shadow?

Stuffit Standard 8 looks exactly the same but has new icons.

And still sucks...I was being sarcastic with the "A wonderful release" comment.

Developer · Oct 1, 2003, 09:34 AM

Originally posted by Horsepoo!!!:
Shadow?

I'd like to see a screenshot of the drop window, progress window, preferences window, and Dock icon with the window shadow.

Moonray · Oct 1, 2003, 12:30 PM

Originally posted by ::maroma:::
I'm really wondering why Apple isn't putting pressure on Aladdin ...
... I think Apple needs to either put the serious squeeze on Aladdin...

Say where do you live? in Rambo County? Or have you worked for Microsoft?

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::maroma:: · Oct 1, 2003, 02:57 PM

Originally posted by Moonray:
Say where do you live? in Rambo County? Or have you worked for Microsoft?

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Huh?

There's nothing wrong with putting pressure on a software maker. Especially if that software is a key part of the Mac user base, and their quality control has been non-existent.

I don't know what you were trying to get at with your ever so constructive comments, but I'm not saying that Apple should start acting like MS.

Oh, and right back at you:

Moonray · Oct 1, 2003, 04:54 PM

Originally posted by ::maroma:::
Huh?

There's nothing wrong with putting pressure on a software maker. Especially if that software is a key part of the Mac user base, and their quality control has been non-existent.

I don't know what you were trying to get at with your ever so constructive comments, but I'm not saying that Apple should start acting like MS.

Oh, and right back at you:

Aladdin Systems does not owe Apple anything. They are free to release software or not and in whatever quality they like. Apple on their side had always the opportunity to develop own compression software or not.
Your suggestion that a stronger shall put pressure on a weaker for its own benefit is against all democratic principles I know.

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clarkgoble · Oct 1, 2003, 05:03 PM

I'd feel a little better about Aladdin had they not had huge annoying UI problems since 10.0 which they never fixed. i.e. taking control of the entire Finder. They are sitting on past success. Further, what kept them from diversifying their product offerings?

Dale Sorel · Oct 1, 2003, 05:05 PM

You have to love how Stuffit breaks the executable permissions on every single app it decompresses

::maroma:: · Oct 1, 2003, 05:53 PM

Originally posted by Moonray:
Aladdin Systems does not owe Apple anything. They are free to release software or not and in whatever quality they like. Apple on their side had always the opportunity to develop own compression software or not.
Your suggestion that a stronger shall put pressure on a weaker for its own benefit is against all democratic principles I know.

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Wow, you just don't get what I'm saying. You are assuming that "putting pressure" on a company means practicing unethical business. This is a wrong assumption. There is absolutely nothing wrong with spending extra time and resources to help "push" Aladdin along and have them release a real quality product for Mac users. I repeat, there is NOTHING wrong with this.

This can be done in several ways. For instance, Apple could offer up some code or a programmer or two to help code a new version of Stuffit that really takes advantage of OS X's strong points. By doing this, Apple would be (in a very constructive and ethical way) putting pressure on Aladdin to make a really good piece of software.

This isn't a question of who's stronger and who's weaker. This isn't a matter of making threats to a company to get things done. This is a matter of helping a company produce a great product that will benefit not only Mac users, but Apple as well.

Get what I am saying now?

Moonray · Oct 1, 2003, 06:35 PM

Originally posted by ::maroma:::
Wow, you just don't get what I'm saying. You are assuming that "putting pressure" on a company means practicing unethical business. This is a wrong assumption. There is absolutely nothing wrong with spending extra time and resources to help "push" Aladdin along and have them release a real quality product for Mac users. I repeat, there is NOTHING wrong with this.

This can be done in several ways. For instance, Apple could offer up some code or a programmer or two to help code a new version of Stuffit that really takes advantage of OS X's strong points. By doing this, Apple would be (in a very constructive and ethical way) putting pressure on Aladdin to make a really good piece of software.

This isn't a question of who's stronger and who's weaker. This isn't a matter of making threats to a company to get things done. This is a matter of helping a company produce a great product that will benefit not only Mac users, but Apple as well.

Get what I am saying now?

Well, if you mean by putting pressure on someone and squeezing someone the same as helping someone, then I obviously got you wrong.

Apple does provide much free documentation and sample code (in their own interest) so everyone can write 'good' software. If developers need help coding they can get such help too (costs money though). But here it seems to be more that there are no creative people at Aladdin, maybe they're selling out and released that new version only to make some quick money with those who buy Stuffit Deluxe upgrades automatically (many companies do that) while they have realized the need for their product won't be as big anymore in future.

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Landos Mustache · Oct 1, 2003, 10:46 PM

Originally posted by Dale Sorel:
You have to love how Stuffit breaks the executable permissions on every single app it decompresses

What do you mean, I am having some problems with one file and I wonder if that is the cause.

Angus_D · Oct 2, 2003, 09:45 AM

Vote with your feet (make that fingers) and just don't use it.

hyperizer · Oct 2, 2003, 10:53 AM

Originally posted by Landos Mustache:
What do you mean, I am having some problems with one file and I wonder if that is the cause.

See Macintouch for details. You also might be interested in this bug which I mentioned in the other thread. Can anyone check if it's been fixed in 8?