[Developer]

http://www.aladdinsys.com/support/te...opic.php?t=295

[i]"n ".sit" formats [...] permissions are not preserved on compression in this format, hence we used to automatically assume and assign these executable permissions upon expansion. We made the change because of a concern Apple voiced in their comments regarding the future release of Panther. [...] While I would not call the behavior change a 'feature' it is definitely not a bug, this was at the request of Apple because of how Panther and other future versions of the Mac OS will function in some ways."

Anybody knows what that is how Panther will function?

[a holck]

Well, that's a really stupid excuse.
No one will be using Stuffit 8 when panther comes out....
Following the release rate from alladin, we will all be upgrading to "stuffit 9.5 panther edition"

[KidRed]

Why release Stuffit 8 knowing it won't work with unreleased Panther which is just weeks away? That's a crappy back alley M$ way of making money.

[Developer]

Originally posted by KidRed:
Why release Stuffit 8 knowing it won't work with unreleased Panther which is just weeks away? That's a crappy back alley M$ way of making money.

I don't read it that it won't work in Panther. As I understand it they made a change at the request of Apple because of something in Panther, and that change breaks stuffing applications.
Just wondering what that function in Panther might be.

[Adam Betts]

I call bull. Next they'll probably say the reason why Stuffit isn't threaded is that Apple told them they shouldn't.

In other word: to Aladdin for such a lame excuse.

[Vader’s Pinch of Death]

Turns out the problem I was having with this file is because of this crap.
Anyway, here is a fix:

http://www.aladdinsys.com/support/te...nda.php?id=534

[Art Vandelay]

This does make sense. The .sit format does not know how to handle unix permissions. Prior to v.8, they automatically assigned execute privileges to every file. This will cause a problem in Panther since Panther does a better job of recognizing executable files. It will treat it as a Unix executable and try launching it in the terminal if double-clicked. So, they appropriately stopped turning on the execute bit for every file in an unstuffed archive. Only the .sitx format can handle permissions properly. So, people need to use .sitx if they need to preserve Unix permissions.

[Vader’s Pinch of Death]

Originally posted by Art Vandelay:
This does make sense. The .sit format does not know how to handle unix permissions. Prior to v.8, they automatically assigned execute privileges to every file. This will cause a problem in Panther since Panther does a better job of recognizing executable files. It will treat it as a Unix executable and try launching it in the terminal if double-clicked. So, they appropriately stopped turning on the execute bit for every file in an unstuffed archive. Only the .sitx format can handle permissions properly. So, people need to use .sitx if they need to preserve Unix permissions.

ya but is poor 10.2 losers are ****ed.

[::maroma::]

Thank goodness I didn't upgrade. I usually upgrade my software immediately (cuz I'm a whore like that). But I've learned my lesson with Aladdin. They are almost as bad as Quark!

[malvolio]

From what I have read, the executable bit problem does not occur if you stuff using the .sitx format, which also results in better compression.
Not that I'm trying to defend Aladdin, but if a very simple and easy work-around exists, why not use it?

[Art Vandelay]

Originally posted by Vader’s Pinch of Death:
ya but is poor 10.2 losers are ****ed.

No, all OS X users are ****ed if they use .sit with Stuffit 8. If you are on OS X, then you need to be using .sitx or better yet, something else like .dmg.

[theolein]

hfstar or rsyncX anyone? Combined with a little Applescript, these can be as useful as stuffit.

[Vader’s Pinch of Death]

Originally posted by Art Vandelay:
No, all OS X users are ****ed if they use .sit with Stuffit 8. If you are on OS X, then you need to be using .sitx or better yet, something else like .dmg.

ya well shame NOBODY and I really mean NOBODY distributes their software in SITX.

I couldn't install my printer drivers for 3 days because it is on the Canon site as a sit and when I uncompressed it with Stuffit 8 it killed the file.

[Moonray]

And everyone has already hundreds of unstuffed files with wrong permissions now.

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[malvolio]

Originally posted by Moonray:
And everyone has already hundreds of unstuffed files with wrong permissions now.

Wow, hundreds? I didn't realize there were that many new releases of OS X software in the past week or so.

(Get the repair script from Aladdin and get busy.)

[Developer]

Originally posted by malvolio:
Wow, hundreds? I didn't realize there were that many new releases of OS X software in the past week or so.

Since last week (StuffIt 8) the permissions are correct. It's been the older versions of StuffIt that set the wrong permissions (at least for Panther and later systems).

[benb]

Originally posted by Vader’s Pinch of Death:
ya well shame NOBODY and I really mean NOBODY distributes their software in SITX.

I couldn't install my printer drivers for 3 days because it is on the Canon site as a sit and when I uncompressed it with Stuffit 8 it killed the file.

Good thing it wasn't an Epson, or this rant wouldn't be confined to just Aladdin, or this thread.

[smeger]

A new version of Mighty Mouse was released earlier this week that had been stuffed using SIT, and then unstuffed and placed into a disk image for distribution. Guess what didn't work when tons of people downloaded and installed it?

I'm not at all happy with this move on Aladdin's part.

[cpac]

moot point in 3 weeks since zipping is built into the finder & mail.

[Moonray]

Originally posted by cpac:
moot point in 3 weeks since zipping is built into the finder & mail.

Only for those who install 10.3 and only on their Macs, and normal .sit archives will live on the web practically forever. So for the sake of compatibility people will keep using .sit.

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[Vi0]

Stop using stuffit.

Seriously, Apple has given us the proper tools to get rid of these guys.

Use disk utility to make compressed disk images (.dmg, etc.) or use the internal .zip archiver built into Panther for compatibility. The .zip is very fast and very good at compressing.

I only keep an old copy of stuffit expander 6, because you will still find people who give you .sit only files. And I've never even seen an .sitx file. So it works out well.

[moki]

Originally posted by a holck:
Well, that's a really stupid excuse.
No one will be using Stuffit 8 when panther comes out....
Following the release rate from alladin, we will all be upgrading to "stuffit 9.5 panther edition"

Indeed, as a developer, I can't tell you how many times we've had headaches because of Stuffit.

When people download one of our programs, and it is broken due to various bugs in Stuffit over the years, they complain to us, and we look bad.

From now on, we're using Internet-enabled disk images. Let's hope Apple does a better job keeping this format compatible and robust than Aladdin has done with Stuffit.

[Horsepoo!!!]

Everytime I tell myself "Stuffit sucks...I'm trashing it" and trash Stuffit, I end up downloading something that's compressed with Stuffit.

I really hope starting with Panther's release, all developers will make an extra effort to use .dmg.

The trend is: carbon devs...they seem to be the ones still stuck in their OS 9 ways. Nothing against the carbon framework though.

[moki]

Originally posted by Horsepoo!!!:
The trend is: carbon devs...they seem to be the ones still stuck in their OS 9 ways. Nothing against the carbon framework though.

In fairness, until 10.2.6 (I believe it was), Internet-enabled disk images didn't exist, and there have been problems/limitations with the .dmg format as well, but it seems to be at the point where it is the best alternative.

[Art Vandelay]

Originally posted by moki:
In fairness, until 10.2.6 (I believe it was), Internet-enabled disk images didn't exist, and there have been problems/limitations with the .dmg format as well, but it seems to be at the point where it is the best alternative.

OS X 10.2.3 introduced Internet-enabled disk images with its updated Disk Copy.

[eevyl]

They just released a patch for the permission thingie.

8.0.1 Patch

[TheIceMan]

I got tired of waiting and re-installed StuffIt 7.0. Works great now. Sad that I had to "go backwards."

[moki]

Originally posted by eevyl:
They just released a patch for the permission thingie.

8.0.1 Patch

This is good, but unfortunately, problems will plague people like us, who distribute software in .sit format, for literally years to come. sigh.