[neilw]

OK, I'm a little confused by this. Since upgrading to Panther, I've noticed that Mail has been catching much less of my junk mail. Prior to the upgrade, it had been trained to the point where it was catching something like 95%.

In fact, I'm not 100% sure if the junk mail filtering is working at all. I do have "enable junk mail filtering" checked in preferences.

I seem to recall (but can't go back and check) that in Jaguar Mail, junk filtering was simply a rule in the "rules" section of preferences, and now there is one less rule there. I don't know if that has anything to do with anything, but I noticed it.

Does the new Mail pick up the training from the old one, or do I need to train again? Any other insights?

[typoon]

Originally posted by neilw:
OK, I'm a little confused by this. Since upgrading to Panther, I've noticed that Mail has been catching much less of my junk mail. Prior to the upgrade, it had been trained to the point where it was catching something like 95%.

In fact, I'm not 100% sure if the junk mail filtering is working at all. I do have "enable junk mail filtering" checked in preferences.

I seem to recall (but can't go back and check) that in Jaguar Mail, junk filtering was simply a rule in the "rules" section of preferences, and now there is one less rule there. I don't know if that has anything to do with anything, but I noticed it.

Does the new Mail pick up the training from the old one, or do I need to train again? Any other insights?

Did you do a clean install with a reformat? Or did you just upgrade? If you did a clean install you do need to retrain it. If you did an upgrade I'm not sure if you do or not but I think you would need to as well.

[neilw]

I did Archive and Install.

I notice that in my ~/Library/Mail folder, there are two files: LSMMap (which seems to date back to Jaguar) and LSMMap2, which is smaller and is definitely from Panther. Could those files have the junk training data? Why wouldn't Panther Mail re-use the old one?

[cpac]

I'd just keep training it.

I did a clean install and Panther wasn't as good as Jag was one week ago when I started, but in the week since then it's gotten easily as good, if not better than Jag at catching the junk mail, and I expect with more time, it'll only get better.

[KidRed]

Make sure you don't have any advanced filters because that seems to screw with mail's filters. If you don't have any, then yea, put it of training for a week or so.

A lot of people are losing or overwriting their Jaguar filters/training when upgrading it seems. Mine was flaky for 2-3 days now it catches everything.

[dws]

In Jaguar, Junk was just another rule. Things are different in Panther. It is a hidden rule; which can be found in Preferences > Junk Mail > Advanced.

Many people have been trying to hash out the new rules (pun intended!).

The consensus of opinion (so far) is that the new Junk Mail rule is acted upon after all user-defined rules (it was the first rule in Jaguar by default). If any of the those rules include the "Stop Evaluating Rules" setting, the Junk Mail rule will never run.

I was having problems with the new Junk Mail rule, until I deleted all the "Stop Evaluating Rules" I had in other rules. Now, after a couple of days of using the rule like Panther wants it to be done, it is catching nearly all of the copious junk mail I have to deal with.

[krove]

I had this problem, too, and if none of these suggestions thus far work, try resetting the junk mail system in Mail's preferences.

[MrBS]

Originally posted by dws:
The consensus of opinion (so far) is that the new Junk Mail rule is acted upon after all user-defined rules (it was the first rule in Jaguar by default). If any of the those rules include the "Stop Evaluating Rules" setting, the Junk Mail rule will never run.

Gah. This is the trick. It would be nice if Apple would go back to thinking about these changes before they made them.

So to get mail to put junk mail in the junk folders (as opposed to filing it away per your other rules) just add a rule at the top 'if junk move to junk', except you'll get all accounts junkmail in one box...

~BS

[dweebert]

Originally posted by MrBS:
Gah. This is the trick. It would be nice if Apple would go back to thinking about these changes before they made them.

Actually, I think the new way makes more sense than the old way. It gives you a chance to "declare" that messages are not junk, and *then* takes matters into its own hands.

However, it would certainly have been nice if we were explicitly told this.

Has anyone determined, BTW, whether there is any way to get Panther Mail to recognise the training from Jaguar Mail? I had VERY few false negatives (or positives for that matter) a week and a half ago, and it would be nice not to have to retrain it.

[neilw]

Well, I do have rules that say "stop evaluation rules", but that's after ID'ed and filed away an email as per the rule, so I don't really want a junk filter to take place *after* that. I would have preferred that junk filtering take place before my rules, frankly.

In any case, I'm back in training mode, and the junk filtering is catching *some* stuff, but only a tiny fraction compared to what it was catching before. It's annoying to have to retrain when I had it working so well before the upgrade...

[mr100percent]

I think I've figured it out. Look at the Junk Mail Preferences pane and under Advanced...

IF:
Sender is not in my address book
Sender is not in my Previous Recipients
Message is NOT ADDRESSED TO MY FULL NAME
Message is Junk Mail

All the junk mail thats been hitting me so far has had my full name in the To: field. That explains why Mail just lets it through now.

[neilw]

Hmm, that seems to explain at least some of the junk that was coming through. I didn't know whether to screw with that or not because I didn't know if the old Mail used that or not.

Maybe that'll do the trick. Seems like a stupid rule, a *lot* of spam seems to be addressed to my full name...