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mcsjgs · 03:34 PM

I thought I saw a thread that the Camino project was not going to update any more. I saw this on their website:

4 November 2003: We've made a lot of progress lately and have a lot of good features to show for it. If you haven't tried a nightly in a while, now's a great time!

PS downloaded latest build with 11/7/03 date

DVD Plaza · Nov 10, 2003, 05:04 PM

The biggest change you'll find is that it has Mozilla5 under its hood, not Mozilla4. Cool

Kenneth · Nov 10, 2003, 05:18 PM

I gave the following string..

Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031107 Camino/0.7+

So it's based on the Mozilla 1.6a

fortepianissimo · 05:52 PM

One thing I noticed for the latest build (11/10) is that it consumes way more CPU power than, say, Safari. It constantly eats away 50%+ CPU. Did anyone experience the same?

(in comparison Safari usually - without animated GIF - uses less than 5% if left idle -- yes the above 50%+ is true even if the browser is left idle and there's no animated GIF)

cpac · 07:37 PM

actually, I get less than 5% usage when idle currently with the 11/07 build.

I'll see if it's the same with the 11/10...

[edit] yep it's still the same low percentage used when idle with the 11/10 build for me... [/edit]

fortepianissimo · Nov 12, 2003, 05:52 PM

Originally posted by cpac:
actually, I get less than 5% usage when idle currently with the 11/07 build.

I'll see if it's the same with the 11/10...

[edit] yep it's still the same low percentage used when idle with the 11/10 build for me... [/edit]

Okay I guess when I tried it the load was during the first 5-10 seconds after the browser was fired up. Some previous post said that due to an inefficient way of dealing with favicons, even after the first Camino window shows up, we will still experience extremely high CPU load. I guess that's it.

fortepianissimo · Nov 12, 2003, 05:56 PM

2 oddities when I tried 11/12 nightly:

1. (this has been the case for a while now) whenever I drag a link, either out to desktop, or into bookmark management pane, it always ends up with TWO links instead of just one.

2. Sometime when hitting cmd-B (to bookmark management pane), inside the Camino window there's nothing shown. I have to choose "Add bookmark folder" in Bookmarks menu, then the content of the pane will be shown.

fortepianissimo · Nov 12, 2003, 06:06 PM

Here is a third oddity: the site

http://www.macbytes.com/

renders fine in Safari, with no horizontal scrolling bar (page width=window width). But in Camino, page width would exceed the window width, causing the horizontal scrolling bar to show up. (this problem has also been around for a while now, and showing up not only on this site either).

passmaster16 · Nov 12, 2003, 06:15 PM

Camino is still my primary browser. I still would like to see native text boxes (spell check) and autoform fill. Those are two features that would make it much better because eventually, I'll switch to Safari when it becomes more compatible with most websites just to get those features. I've still come across a few sites that view fine in Camino and not Safari so that's what has been holding me back from using Safari all the time. I guess the real question is how much commitment will the project team give Camino when the Mozilla project map is going to Firebird? Or are they eventually planning to merge Firebird's rendering engine into Camino? I've always liked Camino for it's speed and simplicity. Firebird looks promising, but it still doesn't have the polished feel that Camino has. I think Camino just needs to add a few more features so that users will try it out. Right now, many people are going with Safari and not turning back. I for one like Camino very much but if it continues to lack the features of Safari, it won't be long until I switch myself.

wataru · Nov 12, 2003, 06:28 PM

Originally posted by DVD Plaza:
The biggest change you'll find is that it has Mozilla5 under its hood, not Mozilla4. Cool

Do you know what Firebird's codebase is currently? Is it the newest stuff, or does it usually lag behind like Camino?

fortepianissimo · 02:56 PM

Originally posted by fortepianissimo:
2 oddities when I tried 11/12 nightly:

1. (this has been the case for a while now) whenever I drag a link, either out to desktop, or into bookmark management pane, it always ends up with TWO links instead of just one.

2. Sometime when hitting cmd-B (to bookmark management pane), inside the Camino window there's nothing shown. I have to choose "Add bookmark folder" in Bookmarks menu, then the content of the pane will be shown.

Both of these problems seem to be fixed in 11/14 nightly... plus now Camino didn't take ages to load (due to disabling the favicon loading) - good job!

But I still don't understand why favicon loading is such a difficult thing in Camino... For example, right now whenever I visit a site with favicon, the icon will show up on the tab only *after* the focus moves out of that tab...

Also, some time it pulls out the wrong favicon - some site has a site-wide favicon, but individual sub-site (like a personal page on a school's server) might have their own favicon, which is specified in <link rel="shortcut icon" href... > construct. Camino still can't get this, instead, it gets the site-wide icon.

fortepianissimo · Nov 14, 2003, 02:17 PM

Oh and one nice addition to 11/14 nightly - exporting bookmarks to Safari! It works flawlessly - just tried.

But the odd thing is exporting bookmarks to HTML still had non-English characters garbled...

fortepianissimo · Nov 14, 2003, 02:53 PM

and I have to say, it's getting faster and faster now! Wow...

dave haas · Nov 14, 2003, 03:32 PM

Originally posted by fortepianissimo:
Oh and one nice addition to 11/14 nightly - exporting bookmarks to Safari! It works flawlessly - just tried.

But the odd thing is exporting bookmarks to HTML still had non-English characters garbled...

Send me your bookmark.plist and an exported bookmark.html file and tell me where the garbled non-English characters are, and I'll take a look at getting that fixed.

haasd@cae.wisc.edu

fortepianissimo · Nov 14, 2003, 09:55 PM

Originally posted by dave haas:
Send me your bookmark.plist and an exported bookmark.html file and tell me where the garbled non-English characters are, and I'll take a look at getting that fixed.

haasd@cae.wisc.edu

Thx Dave - just sent you the minimized bookmarks files.

Catfish_Man · Nov 14, 2003, 10:27 PM

Originally posted by wataru:
Do you know what Firebird's codebase is currently? Is it the newest stuff, or does it usually lag behind like Camino?

Camino and Firebird both build off the trunk most of the time (which, btw, is 1.6 alpha, NOT 5.0). I think Firebird stopped doing that for 0.7, but they should start again soon if they haven't already.

fortepianissimo · Nov 14, 2003, 10:55 PM

Originally posted by fortepianissimo:
Thx Dave - just sent you the minimized bookmarks files.

Ok upon further inspection, garbled characters in exported bookmarks HTML file only happens when some bookmark folder uses non-English characters.

Hope this helps debugging.

fortepianissimo · Nov 14, 2003, 10:56 PM

Originally posted by fortepianissimo:
2 oddities when I tried 11/12 nightly:

...

2. Sometime when hitting cmd-B (to bookmark management pane), inside the Camino window there's nothing shown. I have to choose "Add bookmark folder" in Bookmarks menu, then the content of the pane will be shown.

Sorry after running 11/14 nightly for a while, I found this bug *is* still there.

fortepianissimo · Nov 14, 2003, 11:07 PM

Ok here is another redraw bug. Go to http://www.macnn.com/, in the middle part of the page there're "Ads by Google" banner. If you scroll up and down fast enough, sooner or later you'll see redraw defects around that banner (displaced, or only partially shown, etc.).

Another redraw problem is sometime when I type in a text field, the characters will shown from the middle of the field, although there's nothing before that insertion point. And sometime the text I typed is even garbled.

fortepianissimo · Nov 14, 2003, 11:10 PM

Here is another bug in 11/14 nightly: type-ahead find is broken. I haven't been able to find a consistent scenario for failure, but here is the best I can come up with:

again go to http://www.macnn.com, type cmd-e (view source), switch to the source tab, and start type-ahead find on any word that you know it's there. It can't find the word.