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milhouse · Nov 19, 2003, 08:14 PM

Hi,

I've emailed Unsanity, twice, but would like to resolve this sooner than later.

I'm running 10.3.1. I have not been running any haxies on Panther till yesterday with the release of Shapeshifter.

Long story short each time I've installed APE 1.4.1 (either by itself, with windowshadeX or with shapeshifter) and rebooted, I only get to a bluescreen.
I can faintly hear what may be the HD but nothing appears on screen buy my cursor.
I've gone through this 4 times now and it looks like I'm headed for a 5th reinstall.

Can anyone shed light on what might be causing the incompatibility with APE and my 10.3.1 install?
Prior to Panther I used Unsanity's haxies with success and they always seemed to work well.

I'm running a DP 1.25 with 2GB RAM and have had zero problems prior to installing either the 1.4.1 APE or Shapeshifter.

TIA

Horsepoo!!! · Nov 19, 2003, 08:28 PM

Haxies = trouble

Your fault...you're on your own. I hope someone more forgiving will answer your pleads for help.

gorickey · Nov 19, 2003, 08:34 PM

Have you been able to load the APE Manager or ShapeShifter prefPanes at all? Have you even got that far? Are you running a theme?

King Bob On The Cob · Nov 19, 2003, 08:43 PM

Hold shift as your booting. If the problem persists, it is not APE but rather, a more serious hard drive problem.

milhouse · Nov 19, 2003, 09:05 PM

Originally posted by gorickey:
Have you been able to load the APE Manager or ShapeShifter prefPanes at all? Have you even got that far? Are you running a theme?

Not running a theme.
I could load SS prior to rebooting. If I tried to theme there was no effect and when I rebooted , with either APE alone or with SS or WSX I ended up where I was.

Update: I tried APE again and this time I repaired permissions prior to rebooting. It worked. I'm going to try cleardock, then WSX then SS.

Thanks for the reply.

smeger · Nov 20, 2003, 01:51 AM

I seem to recall seeing you posting earlier about fsck finding lots of problems on your drive. I suspect that this is the real issue, and may require a reinstall of the OS. I think (not sure, please correct me if I'm wrong) that if you have problems with "overlapping extents" you could have corrupted files on your drive. These will gradually make your OS more and more unstable.

Nothing to do with APE if this is the case, btw.

milhouse · 04:43 AM

Smeger,

Fsck did find, and repair problems. Lots? I'm not sure. Lots of times perhaps

Also, I did reinstall, five times.

Fsck, disk utility (and eventually disk warrior) found zero problems with each successive OS reinstall prior to installing APE 1.4.1.

The only app I then added was APE. When I rebooted immediately afterwards the fun started.

This pattern repeated itself five times.

Soooo, I 'd have a reinstalled OS. Within 2 minutes or so I'd reinstall APE 1.4.1 and reboot. By the time it rebooted, the OS was unusable (as in I couldn't even get to my desktop).

It's probably worth noting that the fifth and current install was also f'd up. I ended up booting to another partition, removing the APE, repairing permissions on the drive and it rebooted "normally"

Me at that point:

but

The strange thing was I'd used Unsanity's stuff on Jag and I'd not read anything similar from anyone else running Panther.
I assumed that I had an incompatibility somewhere, but no idea what that might be.

Even stranger to me is that, apparently, repairing permissions immediately after installing APE (the only thing I did differently from each of the previous four installs), rebooting and then doing the same for each of the individual Unsanity apps, "fixed" my problem.

In my mind it seems like there was some issue with permissions getting munged by the installer and it was apparently not the APE itself.
I don't understand how permissions would produce the problems I had though.

Any ideas what might have actually happened based on this info?

Thanks to all that helped

milhouse · Nov 20, 2003, 05:36 AM

If others don't mind I think I'd like to delete this thread and repost the info under another topic.

It was posed as a query but is probably not reflective of the actual problem as it turns out (and folks tend to jump to conclusions).

recommendations?

Maflynn · Nov 20, 2003, 05:52 AM

Originally posted by Horsepoo!!!:
Haxies = trouble

Your fault...you're on your own. I hope someone more forgiving will answer your pleads for help.

Thats kind of rough, I have not run into any problems with unsanity's software and I, like others enjoy or prefer the extensions that these haxies provide.

Besides thats what this forum is here for not to say you on your own but help people.

Mike

Arkham_c · Nov 20, 2003, 09:50 AM

I have friends who swear by haxies, but personally I have to recommend against them. The whole APE thing seems like a hack to me, and I have personally seen users who had problems created by APE. I won't be running it on any of my machines.

KidRed · Nov 20, 2003, 10:50 AM

Originally posted by Horsepoo!!!:
Haxies = trouble

Your fault...you're on your own. I hope someone more forgiving will answer your pleads for help.

Yep, I learned long ago to live without System Sounds and Apple Menus. Too many hacks was slowing my system down. I've hack free for nearly 2 years now.

chabig · Nov 20, 2003, 03:05 PM

I agree. I also don't run any haxie hacks on my OS X machines. The memory of OS 9 extension conflicts is a tough one to erase.

Mike S. · Nov 20, 2003, 06:04 PM

I didn't want to "risk" running hacks up until Shapeshifter, which I was compelled to try, but after reading more about them I don't feel they should really be able to do anything risky.

In the OS 9 days, all hacks ran as an extension of the OS and all of the memory commingled but Mac OS X is a completely different beast.

These "haxies" run in user memory space which essentially means that the worst thing it should be able to do is cause applications to crash or otherwise act bad.

They should be incapable of doing anything to the core OS since they neither run in it's memory space nor even place files in protected system locations.

Worst comes to worse you should be able to hold shift at start up to disable all 3rd party daemons and log-in items and then delete/disable any .ape items to restore yourself to functionality.

It all seems very safe to me and I haven't encountered any system problems with shapeshifter and metalfizer installed.

Basically, Mac OS X is nothing like Mac OS 9 and the way application enhancer in implemented looks perfectly safe to me.