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smeger · Dec 19, 2003, 12:34 AM

Mike Pinkerton has posted a roadmap for the Camino web browser to reach version 0.8. Check it out!

Krypton · Dec 19, 2003, 05:40 AM

Woooooooo! 3 months to polish a browser that has been lacking direction for the past 4.

gorickey · Dec 19, 2003, 08:05 AM

Cool...

Cadaver · Dec 19, 2003, 09:54 PM

Can't wait.

IronPen · Dec 20, 2003, 06:17 AM

IMO, it's a little too late. Camino was great and it still isn't a bad browser, but with the development on Firebird (my default browser right now) and Safari, Camino has fallen behind. There is a lot of catching up to do. Besides Camino having aqua widgets, I see no reason to use it over Firebird. I'm not trying to start a browser war here, and I think people should use whichever browser they want. If you like it, use it. But anyone sticking with Camino should keep in mind that Camino is lacking features that other browsers have right now, so there is catching up to do. Not only that, but the Mozilla project is looking to focus on Firebird and Thuderbird. This isn't to say that Camino won't see any development, but it isn't the Mozilla project team's bread and water. Camino is a Mac OS X-only browser, and I just don't see it getting the attention it needs and it will likely drown in a sea where other browsers outshine it.

bmedina · 07:37 PM

1) Every browser lacks features that others have. Safari doesn't have half the features of OmniWeb or Mozilla, but you aren't calling it a dead browser.
2) Camino never has and never will be the main focus of the Mozilla developers. But despite that, it's come quite a long ways in its lifetime. And development is picking up.

That said, I use Firebird pretty much 100 percent of the time. But there's no need to bash the effort of the Camino developers, especially with illogical arguments.

Anand · Dec 20, 2003, 10:18 PM

Originally posted by IronPen:
IMO, it's a little too late. Camino was great and it still isn't a bad browser, but with the development on Firebird (my default browser right now) and Safari, Camino has fallen behind. There is a lot of catching up to do. Besides Camino having aqua widgets, I see no reason to use it over Firebird. I'm not trying to start a browser war here, and I think people should use whichever browser they want. If you like it, use it. But anyone sticking with Camino should keep in mind that Camino is lacking features that other browsers have right now, so there is catching up to do. Not only that, but the Mozilla project is looking to focus on Firebird and Thuderbird. This isn't to say that Camino won't see any development, but it isn't the Mozilla project team's bread and water. Camino is a Mac OS X-only browser, and I just don't see it getting the attention it needs and it will likely drown in a sea where other browsers outshine it.

Camino is a great browser. Much better than Firebird right now. I can't wait to see how it developes!

CharlesS · Dec 21, 2003, 12:55 AM

Originally posted by bmedina:
1) Every browser lacks features that others have. Safari doesn't have half the features of OmniWeb or Mozilla, but you aren't calling it a dead browser.

Indeed. And Internet Explorer on Windows is lacking tons of features that are considered basic on the other browsers, but it seems to be doing okay in terms of market share...

The thing about Camino is that it has the potential to do something that Mozilla and Firebird will never be able to do, and that is to find a way to make it use the NSTextView widgets from Cocoa. Aside from looking much better than the Gecko text widget and having better performance, it automatically supports a lot of features like the spell checker, the Cocoa anti-aliasing, and (if it is built against 10.3 and the proper option is checked in IB) the find panel. This will make Camino a much more attractive browser than Firebird or Mozilla since the Gecko text widget is really ugly and probably the biggest problem with those browsers.

I think I remember that they were once planning to do this for Camino, although I don't have any idea if it is still on the drawing board.

theolein · Dec 21, 2003, 06:22 AM

While I like the idea of Camino, and used to have it as default before Safari improved, I kind of think it's a bit of a dead end. Safari has become very fast, has improved standards support a lot, is lightweight, and basically has everything that Camino users liked over IE and Moz, such as anti-aliasing, native widgets, tabs, pop-up blocking etc.

In fact the only thing that I really hate about Safari is the braindead approach to bookmarks that is similar to IE on Windows, where just about every other browser has a more intuitive implementation.

Mike S. · Dec 21, 2003, 01:03 PM

Safari's bookmark management is nothing like IE for Windows. In fact, it's bookmark management is it's most unique feature.

Camino has adopted a similar system for itself.

I can only assume you mean the initial placement of the bookmark via the "type a name and select a folder" sheet but that was in Camino before Safari.

OmniWeb is the most innovative browser by far and I expect it to move further ahead with version five.