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Tyler McAdams · Jan 1, 2004, 09:08 PM

I've heard that you could copy a DVD to your HD once it's mounted on your desktop and DVD player would play it... even though there is encryption. Is this true? This would bypass the encrpytion law in question and make it ok to copy to you HD as long as you keep in line with all the other fair use laws like erasing it once you are finished watching it...

rjenkinson · Jan 1, 2004, 09:49 PM

it's true.

-r.

ReggieX · Jan 1, 2004, 09:50 PM

I've never tried to copy a DVD to my drive without removing the Region Code, Macrovision and CSS encryption key. I can't imagine why it wouldn't work if the key was still in place.

There's no law saying you NEED to have an encryption key, it's simply part of the requirements set into place by the DVD consortium.

If you're going to copy a DVD to your drive, to say watch on a plane or something where you don't want to carry the disc with you, you might as well remove all the copy protection anyway. Don't know if that answers your question

King Bob On The Cob · Jan 1, 2004, 09:50 PM

Originally posted by Tyler McAdams:
I've heard that you could copy a DVD to your HD once it's mounted on your desktop and DVD player would play it... even though there is encryption. Is this true? This would bypass the encrpytion law in question and make it ok to copy to you HD as long as you keep in line with all the other fair use laws like erasing it once you are finished watching it...

You don't break the encryption, you just copy the encrypted files to your Hard Drive, and therefore don't violate the DMCA, copying a rented DVD to your Hard Drive IS stealing, but it isn't often prosecuted, so only your morals are at stake.

Tyler McAdams · Jan 4, 2004, 07:38 AM

Originally posted by King Bob On The Cob:
You don't break the encryption, you just copy the encrypted files to your Hard Drive, and therefore don't violate the DMCA, copying a rented DVD to your Hard Drive IS stealing, but it isn't often prosecuted, so only your morals are at stake.

I heard that it was fair usage for a small period of time as long as it was erased. Christ, there's no telling how many bullshit laws I break a day if *that's* not legal!

bmedina · Jan 4, 2004, 11:54 AM

As long as you're not sharing the files after they're copied, no one is going to prosecute you.

And it's not immoral to break a law if you feel the law itself is wrong.

Axo1ot1 · Jan 4, 2004, 12:27 PM

Originally posted by bmedina:
it's not immoral to break a law if you feel the law itself is wrong.

For example, I hav a big problem with the law against heisting banks, but I don't let it stop me from doing what I love to do.

Tyler McAdams · Jan 5, 2004, 02:39 AM

Originally posted by Axo1ot1:
For example, I hav a big problem with the law against heisting banks, but I don't let it stop me from doing what I love to do.

you're right... that's one bullshit law!

Arkham_c · Jan 5, 2004, 09:56 AM

Originally posted by Axo1ot1:
For example, I hav a big problem with the law against heisting banks, but I don't let it stop me from doing what I love to do.

Ah, but you read his statement wrong. He said immoral, not illegal.

Immoral is something that goes against YOUR sense of right and wrong. Illegal is something that goes against society's sense of right and wrong to the degree that they made a law against it.

selowitch · Jan 5, 2004, 11:18 AM

Originally posted by Arkham_c:
Immoral is something that goes against YOUR sense of right and wrong.

Not so. Morality is notions of right and wrong without respect to whether those notions are held by the individual or by society. Hence there are "public" or societal morals and also "private" morals.

dtriska · Jan 5, 2004, 06:28 PM

Originally posted by Tyler McAdams:
I heard that it was fair usage for a small period of time as long as it was erased. Christ, there's no telling how many bullshit laws I break a day if *that's* not legal!

Let me guess. You heard that as long as you deleted it within 24 hours, it's not stealing.

Yeah, go to a car dealership and tell them you're going to take one of their cars for a day. See what they say.

MaxPower2k3 · Jan 5, 2004, 06:37 PM

you can do that with GM cars -- 24-hour test drive. good idea, but i still wouldn't buy the cars

Tyler McAdams · Jan 5, 2004, 06:53 PM

Originally posted by dtriska:
Let me guess. You heard that as long as you deleted it within 24 hours, it's not stealing.

Yeah, go to a car dealership and tell them you're going to take one of their cars for a day. See what they say.

Here's where I saw it:

http://www.opuscc.com/download/others.shtml

For those too lazy to look:

DVDBackup 1.3
DVDBackup is intended to let you exercise your "fair use" rights under copyright law to either "time-shift" or "space-shift" DVD content which you may have purchased legitimately. An example of time-shifting would be to temporarily store the data from a DVD you rented so as to watch it at a later time after you have returned the disc (and avoided late fees!). An example of space-shifting would be to copy one or more DVD discs to your laptop hard drive so as to watch them while on a long airplane flight. A final usage of DVDBackup would be to allow you to modify or excerpt sections of DVD video and audio to create your own movies.