Welcome to the MacNN Forums.

Maflynn · Mar 15, 2004, 11:33 AM

I really tried using panther's mail but some of its quirks were really bugging me. I had to go back to entourage.

Attachements did not work correctly, I had so much trouble viewing jpgs in mail and adding attachements the receipent failed to get the attachments instead of all of that funky code.

All things being equal I liked the interface and interaction a whole lot better then entourage but it failed to handle attachments cleanly.

Mike

Turias · Mar 15, 2004, 11:36 AM

Mail should be able to receive attachments just fine. As far as sending goes, Microsoft mail clients are broken. You can usually get around this by making sure all of your attachments are attached at the very end of your message.

TimmyDee51 · Mar 15, 2004, 11:37 AM

That's weird. I've never (and I mean never) had a problem with attachments in Mail. What I have had problems with is Entourage losing my users data. It may not be an issue for you, but beware that when your Entourage database file becomes larger than 4 GB, you will lose data, potentially all of it in the file. One of my users was running Entourage 2001 (which only had a 2 GB limit) and hit the limit, losing all of her emails, calendars, tasks, contacts, etc. It sucked. Again, that may not be an issue for you, but I would encourage you to look into your Mail problems before you go back to Entourage.

voodoo · Mar 15, 2004, 11:43 AM

Goodbye Mail app..

oh wait, nevermind. I like Mail app.

Stay Mail app!!

ryju · Mar 15, 2004, 12:48 PM

Originally posted by voodoo:
Goodbye Mail app..

oh wait, nevermind. I like Mail app.

Stay Mail app!!

I love you Mail.app, what's that Mail.app? You love me too? Ohhh have another attachment Mail.app.

ryaxnb · Mar 15, 2004, 12:53 PM

I like Mail.app... but I rarely find a need to send attachments.

bbales · Mar 15, 2004, 12:56 PM

Originally posted by TimmyDee51:
That's weird. I've never (and I mean never) had a problem with attachments in Mail. What I have had problems with is Entourage losing my users data. It may not be an issue for you, but beware that when your Entourage database file becomes larger than 4 GB, you will lose data, potentially all of it in the file. One of my users was running Entourage 2001 (which only had a 2 GB limit) and hit the limit, losing all of her emails, calendars, tasks, contacts, etc. It sucked. Again, that may not be an issue for you, but I would encourage you to look into your Mail problems before you go back to Entourage.

Is there a particular reason -- is there a 4 GB cutoff or something? I lost my entire mail database over the summer. Entourage behaved as though I had just set it up. I was absolutely horrified, except that I had a backup from the night before. Still, there was some weirdness about getting that copy reinstalled.

Hasn't happened since, but I do do backups at least once a week. And actually, now that I'm running Panther, I'm giving the mail app a new look.

milhouse · Mar 15, 2004, 01:07 PM

Sending Windows friendly attachments with Panther Mail always works for me.

cybergoober · Mar 15, 2004, 02:04 PM

Absolutely no problems sending or receiving attachments here�

::maroma:: · Mar 15, 2004, 03:47 PM

Mail.app works perfectly for me.

I used to use Entourage, but it corrupted it's database twice on me, causing me to lose everything (and now I backup religiously). I will never use that unstable hunk of garbage again.

Long live Mail.app!

PubGuy · Mar 15, 2004, 04:00 PM

Mail.app -- nice thing about it is that it stores your messages in INDUSTRY STANDARD mbox files (so you don't end up with one monolithic one like in Entourage). Only wish that it had more choices in creating custom rules (like somehow being able to detect and delete BLANK emails that crash the junk filter). BTW: what's the point of these BLANK spams ????

jasonsRX7 · Mar 15, 2004, 04:02 PM

I love Mail.app, and the only problem I ever have with it is sending links to people. They always complain about long url's being chopped up on separate lines. Using Thunderbird to send the same url's to the same recipients doesn't seem to do that.

Other than that, Mail rocks.

bbales · Mar 15, 2004, 04:03 PM

One thing I love about entourage (other than the fact that I have 2-plus years of email on it!) is its great search function. How is Mail's?

mitchell_pgh · Mar 15, 2004, 05:27 PM

Originally posted by voodoo:
Goodbye Mail app..

oh wait, nevermind. I like Mail app.

Stay Mail app!!

True dat'

I din't care all that much for 1.0, but the current version is spot on for me... And I only deal with Windows at work, so I don't know what you are talking about.

What OS are you running? 10.0?

mitchell_pgh · Mar 15, 2004, 05:40 PM

You did do this, didn't you?

Horsepoo!!! · Mar 15, 2004, 06:04 PM

OMG, it was a post and run from Maflynn...OMG, why am I even replying in this thread. OMG OMG OMG!

voodoo · Mar 15, 2004, 06:18 PM

Originally posted by Horsepoo!!!:
OMG, it was a post and run from Maflynn...OMG, why am I even replying in this thread. OMG OMG OMG!

mitchell_pgh · Mar 15, 2004, 06:18 PM

We reply to let everyone know that Mail.app is perfectly fine for most...

I love posts like this where the original poster basically is totally alone.

Maflynn · Mar 15, 2004, 06:24 PM

Originally posted by Horsepoo!!!:
OMG, it was a post and run from Maflynn...OMG, why am I even replying in this thread. OMG OMG OMG!

I don't get it, its not like I'm some sort of troll.

Ok, I was unaware of the edit->Attachments menu, I'll give that a try.
the other issue is when I receive .jpg attachments, some of the times, it tells me I need to download the attachment to view it. So I copy it to one of my offline folders and double click on it and it says
"File Error" Couldn't open the file. It may be corrupt or a file format that Preview doesn't recognize."

opening up the same email in entourage and double clicking on the attachment opens the attachment fine. Any help.

I really like mail and if I can get over that hump I'll be fine.

Thanks for the input and help - except for Horsepoo, but then I really don't get what he was saying, its not like he knows me or anything.

Mike

funkboy · Mar 15, 2004, 06:58 PM

I loves my Mail.app. So much better than Eudora back in the day.

I'd like to try a new mail app if there was one that was significantly better... but I doubt there is.

gorickey · Mar 15, 2004, 07:36 PM

I left Entourage when Mail.app and Jaguar debuted...haven't looked back since...

mitchell_pgh · Mar 15, 2004, 08:03 PM

Originally posted by Maflynn:
I don't get it, its not like I'm some sort of troll.

Ok, I was unaware of the edit->Attachments menu, I'll give that a try.
the other issue is when I receive .jpg attachments, some of the times, it tells me I need to download the attachment to view it. So I copy it to one of my offline folders and double click on it and it says
"File Error" Couldn't open the file. It may be corrupt or a file format that Preview doesn't recognize."

opening up the same email in entourage and double clicking on the attachment opens the attachment fine. Any help.

I really like mail and if I can get over that hump I'll be fine.

Thanks for the input and help - except for Horsepoo, but then I really don't get what he was saying, its not like he knows me or anything.

Mike

could you give us some more info?

Work computer, home computer, old, new, Mail.app version, Panther, Jaguar, airport, ethernet, dial up... XP box?

Maflynn · Mar 15, 2004, 08:09 PM

Ok, heres more info, panther is the OS(10.3.2), on my PB receiving the email from my gf, she sent it by cable modem from her gateway pc running windows 98. she usually sends the emails using comcast's web email interface and not outlook express.

Both computers are our home computer, so its not a firewall issue and I can retrieve some jpgs, that she will send an email and it will have attachments that I can open, but on any given day she will send me somthing and the picture will not be viewable. She gets and passes on humorous pictures and ancedotes.

How's that for more info.

Mike

Maflynn · Mar 15, 2004, 08:40 PM

Ok, I think I fixed it
I tried a couple of things, either all of the steps corrected it or a single action did.
I deselected keep copies of messages for offline viewing and I rebuilt the mailbox. So rebuilding or not caching the messages seemed to do the trick.

Mike

typoon · Mar 15, 2004, 09:02 PM

I love Mail. The search function is great, The Spam filter is excellent, Databases don't get corrupted like in Entourage. I siwtched from Entourage to Mail when 10.2 came out. once they added the junk mail filter it did it for me. Never looked back. One less M$ Product I need to us on my Mac.

Horsepoo!!! · Mar 15, 2004, 09:42 PM

Originally posted by Maflynn:
Thanks for the input and help - except for Horsepoo, but then I really don't get what he was saying, its not like he knows me or anything.

Mike

Ohh...I know you Mike. I know you quite well.

dampeoples · Mar 15, 2004, 10:10 PM

I'm digging Mail as well. It sends, it receives, it makes the sub sound when I get a new one.

york28 · Mar 15, 2004, 10:40 PM

Everyone here (ok, a lot of you) is saying "Mail.app". Isn't is just "Mail"?

And I think it works great. Long live Mail.

juanvaldes · Mar 15, 2004, 10:53 PM

Originally posted by york28:
Everyone here (ok, a lot of you) is saying "Mail.app". Isn't is just "Mail"?

And I think it works great. Long live Mail.

"Mail" is a very ambiguous name so as to avoid confusing between mail the program and just any mail program people use mail.app to mean apple's email program.

trash80 · Mar 16, 2004, 09:04 AM

the actual name of the program is mail.app, just that the UI hides the .app bit usually

i quite like Thunderbird myself, i'd use that instead of Mail if you wanted to switch. mind u as i am forced to use Outlook at work every day i am kinda anti-M$ when it comes to e-mail

alex_kac · Mar 16, 2004, 01:02 PM

Mail is very good. I like it...mostly. Its got a few big annoyances. Bugs when replying to Outlook 03 mail (I don't care if its an MS issue, its annoying), a search that can't search for exact phrases, and a few other UI things. I do prefer the Entourage UI frankly for mail...but its crappy IMAP support keeps me from it.

TimmyDee51 · Mar 16, 2004, 01:56 PM

Originally posted by bbales:
Is there a particular reason -- is there a 4 GB cutoff or something? I lost my entire mail database over the summer. Entourage behaved as though I had just set it up. I was absolutely horrified, except that I had a backup from the night before. Still, there was some weirdness about getting that copy reinstalled.

Hasn't happened since, but I do do backups at least once a week. And actually, now that I'm running Panther, I'm giving the mail app a new look.

Sorry this took so long -- I wasn't checking in on the thread. The 4 GB limit is a limit set by Entourage itself. I'm not sure why, but it's just what Microsoft did. They probably wanted an Outlook-like equivalent and a master database file would fill those shoes. When you go over the limit, Entourage does act like you're starting it for the first time. Either that or the Microsoft Users Folder was moved (stupid MS putting it in Documents instead of the Library). Fortunately, you had the backup.

CatOne · Mar 18, 2004, 02:59 PM

Originally posted by TimmyDee51:
Sorry this took so long -- I wasn't checking in on the thread. The 4 GB limit is a limit set by Entourage itself. I'm not sure why, but it's just what Microsoft did. They probably wanted an Outlook-like equivalent and a master database file would fill those shoes. When you go over the limit, Entourage does act like you're starting it for the first time. Either that or the Microsoft Users Folder was moved (stupid MS putting it in Documents instead of the Library). Fortunately, you had the backup.

4 GB is the maximum addressable size of a 32 byte pointer. I have to think this is involved in some way -- trying to go larger than this would set the pointer to 0 and "wrap," meaning you'd be writing over and probably corrupting data.

selowitch · Mar 18, 2004, 04:04 PM

For what it's worth, Entourage is actually better for managing multiple e-mail accounts and its rules system is much better than Mail.app. Also, I switched from Mail.app to Entourage mainly because under Jaguar, nobody could read my attachments and I couldn't change the encoding.

I realize this stuff may have been fixed under Panther, but I don't yet have Panther and until I do I'm sticking with Entourage.

thePurpleGiant · Mar 18, 2004, 06:14 PM

Originally posted by selowitch:
For what it's worth, Entourage is actually better for managing multiple e-mail accounts...

How do you mean? I used to be an evid Entourage user, but after I switched to mail I can handle all 8 email addresses with ease. What specifically do you find better about the way Entourage handles this?

Cadaver · Mar 18, 2004, 06:47 PM

I'm liking Mail(.app) more and more each day - I was able to get Mail working nicely with the Novell GroupWise mail server at work via IMAP. It so nice now, what with Mail's great spam filter and all. I even got the Novell LDAP directory server working with Mail as well.

I'm a member of Novell's beta test program for the Java-based cross platform GroupWise 6.5 client ("GroupWise 6.5.1 xplat"). While Novell is making progress, its very, very slow and fairly buggy. Not ready for daily use yet. Plus all I really need it for is work email (I do my caledaring thru iCal), and the Novell web interface is (A) a pain in the butt, and (B) doesn't play nicely with Safari (but works OK with Mozilla).

Anyway, got Mail working with the GroupWise IMAP and LDAP interfaces, and I'm a very happy camper - OS X native direct access to my GroupWise mail and address book

mitchell_pgh · Mar 18, 2004, 07:58 PM

I have three accounts all with Mail.app and it's all good.

I guess I don't get that in to mail... Like others have said, I send, I receive, I store... that's about it...

Every once and a while it will go "wonky" but for the most part I consider is very solid.

tRr · Mar 19, 2004, 02:48 AM

I'm also a happy user switching from Entourage when Jaguar came out.

I use six accounts and I probably write and receive more e-mails than most. I was lucky and didn't get that junk mail bug, but I haven't pressed the button in ages since it does so well as is.

I do occasionally (once a month maybe) get copies of messages I have already received earlier, but that has been my only issue so far.