[ambush]

It'll be released very very very soon now.

[Krypton]

Hahahahahaha trying to be ahead of the game?

There's a rapidly expanding thread over on the Proteus forums, and Justin is ready to post methinks.

[ambush]

Originally posted by Krypton:
Hahahahahaha trying to be ahead of the game?

There's a rapidly expanding thread over on the Proteus forums, and Justin is ready to post methinks.

I'm realoding that thread too... he was reading it 5 mins ago but said nothing..

It should not be long now....

[ambush]

He just changed the file directory and moved the old files to a new "archived" folder...... now realoding the files directory every second or so

[gorickey]

Justin just changed his shirt...I'm watching...it's blue...

[Krypton]

Justin's first comments in the thread:

omg...

Pretty much sums it up It's getting tense over there.

[gorickey]

Justin fell asleep while studying for his exams...it'll be out by next Monday now...

[nforcer]

Or it's out now: Download Link

[Sarc]

issues so far:

1) sounds can, but won't turn off.
2) message window won't scroll to latest message

my questions

1) how on earth do I disable those black silhouette for the "buddy icons" !? I don't want ny pictures on my contact list.

2) on the status bar, to the lest side, there is a red buble with a " ! " sign in it ... anyone figure what it is ?

[nforcer]

Issues:

• No Single-Window mode. Still one window for contact list and one window for msg center. I want the contact list as a drawer along the left or right side of the message window, and as you double click contacts, it makes a new tab along the bottom of the message view window for them. Or something similar to that.
• Contact list too big and clunky like iChat. I'd like a way to remove buddy icons from the contact list to make it smaller and more manageable.
• Contact list lacks in depth sorting options. It's just status, name, or service. Include more options like what Adium has for sorting in the future.
• History appears to be good, but weird colors are used in the TextView for log text. Some kind of user specified colors would make it easier to read history.
• Bad Events management prefpane. It's tedious to go through and turn off all sounds or make mass changes. Some kind of columned list with checkboxes, and more in-depth attributes below it would be much easier to manage.
• iTunes-like gradient in contact list is not needed. The gradient should be used for source lists, which the contact list is not. The standard TableView "system" selection color would be fine.
• Use of "mini" controls seems to be overdone. IIRC, they are mostly meant for websites being viewed with Webkit or a browser that wants Mac OS X controls on a page with more precision. For example, in the Advanced prefpane the Display Notifications positions and screen controls would have been fine as standard "small" controls. In the "Setup Assistant" at the end, the mini controls would have been fine as "small" controls.
• Buddy profile, extended away message, time idle, logged on since, and other similar stuff should be in a tooltip when the user mouses over the contact name like in Adium.
• No chatroom support (although supposedly coming in a later version when libGAIM or whateverGAIM adds it)
• About box "Notes" tab does not have proper returns for the License info towards the end.
• Could not get file transfer working with an Adium or iChat user. Transfer window stays up forever it seems, even after they accept the transfer, and nothing seems to be sent.

Kudos:

• Rendezvous iChat messaging. I have not fully tested it, but if it works like I expect it will save time.
• Handles long URLs in message view decent. They don't seem to resize along with the window when it is resized, but it's better than Adium's "insert a horizontal scrollbar for a long link" way (or maybe they fixed that by now).
• Nice selection of themes. The default would be better if it showed times in fixed positions below the messages, and always showed them (IE, no need for mouseover to see timestamps)
• Message history lines when opening an IM with a contact. Useful for continuing previous conversations or just knowing where you left off with a contact.
• Unread message count in the dock icon, and unread message count next to a contact in the message center (I think this was a Proteus 3 feature)
• Generally nice icons for toolbars in the application.
• No pointless features like Tic-Tac-Toe. No "hail to the duck" crap. Good job about keeping it real and staying on target.

[ambush]

Deceiving, but I got used to it with Justin's earlier versions.

Back to Adium X baby!

[gorickey]

Damn, I try and try and try and try....yet I keep coming back to iChat....

I'm an iChat whore.

[ambush]

Originally posted by nforcer:

• No pointless features like Tic-Tac-Toe. No "hail to the duck" crap. Good job about keeping it real and staying on target.

Well, it has no "pointless" features, but it's pain in the ass slow.

If you don't like pointless features of Adium, you can choose not to use them, but if you don't like lack of speed in Proteus, you CAN'T do nothing about it.

[Horsepoo!!!]

[*] No Single-Window mode. Still one window for contact list and one window for msg center. I want the contact list as a drawer along the left or right side of the message window, and as you double click contacts, it makes a new tab along the bottom of the message view window for them. Or something similar to that.

Probably not gonna happen. Just too much in one window...

[*] Contact list too big and clunky like iChat. I'd like a way to remove buddy icons from the contact list to make it smaller and more manageable.

You talk about clunkiness yet you want everything in a single window. That's a bit incoherent if you ask me.

View -> Hide Contact Images if you want a simple contact list.

[*] Contact list lacks in depth sorting options. It's just status, name, or service. Include more options like what Adium has for sorting in the future.

What other sorting methods are really worth it? Proteus is going for simplicity...not complexity.

[*] History appears to be good, but weird colors are used in the TextView for log text. Some kind of user specified colors would make it easier to read history.

I agree...but user specified colors would add yet-another-option to what is supposed to be a simple interface. We should just agree on a color and stick with it.

[*] Bad Events management prefpane. It's tedious to go through and turn off all sounds or make mass changes. Some kind of columned list with checkboxes, and more in-depth attributes below it would be much easier to manage.

I gotta agree with this one. Something is a little odd and complicated with the events manager pane.

[*] iTunes-like gradient in contact list is not needed. The gradient should be used for source lists, which the contact list is not. The standard TableView "system" selection color would be fine.

I gotta agree here too...while it looks cool, it's not a source list per se. Standards should be kept.

[*] Use of "mini" controls seems to be overdone. IIRC, they are mostly meant for websites being viewed with Webkit or a browser that wants Mac OS X controls on a page with more precision. For example, in the Advanced prefpane the Display Notifications positions and screen controls would have been fine as standard "small" controls. In the "Setup Assistant" at the end, the mini controls would have been fine as "small" controls.

Maybe...can't say that it's that big of a deal though.

[*] Buddy profile, extended away message, time idle, logged on since, and other similar stuff should be in a tooltip when the user mouses over the contact name like in Adium.

Too much info in a tooltip. Some of that info is not important enough to belong in a tooltip...especially buddy profiles that tend not to change much.

[*] No chatroom support (although supposedly coming in a later version when libGAIM or whateverGAIM adds it)

Yes...this one's really important. I hope the libgaim team or Justin manages to get this one working soon.

[*] Could not get file transfer working with an Adium or iChat user. Transfer window stays up forever it seems, even after they accept the transfer, and nothing seems to be sent.

Valid bug report. If you don't send that one in, I will. I think it's important that Proteus plays well with iChat and Adium.

All in all some valid points you make. But I just hope people don't try to merge Adium and Proteus together. They both cater to different crowds and that's the way I likes it.

I don't want 2 IM clients to use tabs. I'm glad Adium has tabs and I'm glad Proteus offers tabs in a drawer and the ability to have conversations in separate windows.

Proteus used to be very customizable but I think this made the prefs needlessly complicated. Now that Adium allows for massive customizability, it's a breath of fresh air that Proteus offers simplicity before customizability.

[resImadA]

Originally posted by nforcer:
No pointless features like Tic-Tac-Toe. No "hail to the duck" crap

If tic-tac-toe keeps away users like you, it's definitely staying in.

[Tick]

Originally posted by resImadA:


If tic-tac-toe keeps away users like you, it's definitely staying in.

HAHAHAHAHHA


PWNED

[Sarc]

imserviced (daemon) is eating a lot of CPU in this version, it's kinda random, but sometimes it hogs ~60% ...

I really need MSN to get polished here ... Need: File Transfers ASAP, and buddy icons. chatrooms would be nice too.

[nforcer]

Originally posted by ambush:
Well, it has no "pointless" features, but it's pain in the ass slow.

If you don't like pointless features of Adium, you can choose not to use them, but if you don't like lack of speed in Proteus, you CAN'T do nothing about it.

While choosing not to use a pointless feature is a valid option, I still waste bandwidth because I'm forced to download it. It still wastes screenspace in menus and the GUI until I remove it. And it still wastes me time disabling it in every update.

The speed point is one I neglected to mention, but one well taken. Speed and low CPU usage is important in an IM client, since one will likely be running in the background for long periods of time. Turning off animate contact list status and some other things helps to speed up Proteus and make it more usable in the long term.

Adium on the other hand has CPU hog problems of its own that have yet to be fixed for months now (it existed well before that particular thread, and I've submitted several samples now). I can only run Adium for about a day or less until the problem appears, and then it just monopolizes my CPU.

[brapper]

my hopes too high.
back to aMsn.
(apparently i should be waiting for 4.5 to get the MSN features that aMsn already offers...)
too bad, because proteus is soooooo much cleaner.

[resImadA]

Originally posted by nforcer:
Adium on the other hand has CPU hog problems of its own that have yet to be fixed for months now (it existed well before that particular thread, and I've submitted several samples now). I can only run Adium for about a day or less until the problem appears, and then it just monopolizes my CPU.

Don't make me bust out the worlds smallest violin.

Have you submitted any samples to us using version 0.50 or 0.51, where the CPU issues were fixed?

[fortepianissimo]

can anyone tell me why I can't turn off the sound? I did choose to disable it in the Events tab?

[gorickey]

Originally posted by fortepianissimo:
can anyone tell me why I can't turn off the sound? I did choose to disable it in the Events tab?

It's a "feature"...if you hit the Mute button on your keyboard that's a nice temporary fix...

[nforcer]

Originally posted by Horsepoo!!!:
You talk about clunkiness yet you want everything in a single window. That's a bit incoherent if you ask me.

The clunkiness was primarily in reference to the buddy icons in the Contact list. It made the list pretty long for me, which required a lot of scrolling (even when auto-resize contact list was on) to see who was online.

But there is also clunkiness in having to go back and forth between two windows to find contacts, select them for messaging, and then message them. I agree that everything kludged into one window can be a very bad thing. But it seems like there should be a way to make things work with just 1 window, and make it work fairly elegantly.

View -> Hide Contact Images if you want a simple contact list.

I missed it. Makes the contact list a lot less clunky now. Thanks.

What other sorting methods are really worth it? Proteus is going for simplicity...not complexity.

It's easier for me to find who is around and available when contacts can be sorted by status and then by name within status.

No chatroom support (although supposedly coming in a later version when libGAIM or whateverGAIM adds it)
Yes...this one's really important. I hope the libgaim team or Justin manages to get this one working soon.

I learned GAIM supports this now apparently, but it won't be coming until he comes up with a good GUI for it (post 4.0 apparently).

Valid bug report. If you don't send that one in, I will. I think it's important that Proteus plays well with iChat and Adium.

Sent it in. Then read about something about it not working behind firewalls.

All in all some valid points you make. But I just hope people don't try to merge Adium and Proteus together. They both cater to different crowds and that's the way I likes it.

I don't want 2 IM clients to use tabs. I'm glad Adium has tabs and I'm glad Proteus offers tabs in a drawer and the ability to have conversations in separate windows.

Proteus used to be very customizable but I think this made the prefs needlessly complicated. Now that Adium allows for massive customizability, it's a breath of fresh air that Proteus offers simplicity before customizability.

Good points.

[nforcer]

Originally posted by resImadA:
Don't make me bust out the worlds smallest violin.

Have you submitted any samples to us using version 0.50 or 0.51, where the CPU issues were fixed?

Don't make me bust out the world's largest paddle.

Have you read the sample report and post from AlphaQuam on the bottom of page 2 of the link I provided to the Adium forums, where he was using 0.51 and still experiencing a similar, if not the same CPU issue?

I didn't get a response on the cause or progress of the problem from the previous sample reports I submitted, and AlphaQuam has not been publically responded to, either. Why should I waste more time submitting reports if the ones already submitted are being ignored?

[velodev]

Originally posted by nforcer:
I didn't get a response on the cause or progress of the problem from the previous sample reports I submitted, and AlphaQuam has not been publically responded to, either. Why should I waste more time submitting reports if the ones already submitted are being ignored?

OOOOOOOHHHHH, SNAP!

[resImadA]

Originally posted by nforcer:
Don't make me bust out the world's largest paddle.

So that's why you always win at table tennis.

We are not ignoring reports, please stop slandering us.

[nforcer]

Originally posted by resImadA:
We are not ignoring reports, please stop slandering us.

I'm not slandering you or the Adium group. I was pointing out that the CPU hog bug still exists in 0.51, despite the fix that you claimed. And I was pointing out that neither myself nor the user who submitted updated information regarding this bug has received a public (or in my case, even private) reply as to how to prevent the problem from occurring, or any potential workarounds. So I have been ignored despite doing what I can to help get it resolved.

None of that is false.

[resImadA]

Originally posted by nforcer:
I was pointing out that the CPU hog bug still exists in 0.51

We've only received 1 report of CPU issues since 0.50 (That forum post).

Originally posted by nforcer:
And I was pointing out that neither myself nor the user who submitted updated information regarding this bug has received a public (or in my case, even private) reply as to how to prevent the problem from occurring, or any potential workarounds.

You submitted a sample from 0.50 or later?

Originally posted by nforcer:
I have been more or less ignored despite doing what I can to help get it resolved.

We've posted that it would be resolved with our new event loop code in libgaim 0.76, and then we updated and fixed the issue. You are not being ignored. If you were being ignored, the issue would not have been resolved. What we're seeing now, if anything, is a rare issue that was being masked by the event loop one.

Originally posted by nforcer:
None of that is false.

*sigh*

[Holigen]

Originally posted by gorickey:
Justin just changed his shirt...I'm watching...it's blue...

Originally posted by nforcer:
No pointless features like Tic-Tac-Toe. No "hail to the duck" crap. Good job about keeping it real and staying on target.

Boy, have I got a job for you. If any problem can be found in any app, Im sure youll find it. Why are you taking the jokes about the duck so seriously? I mean, Justin has his own little quirks as well that you seemed to have failed to mention. Ever seen the 'please register' popup? Hamish? What the heck is that? Its all in good fun, son.

[mdc]

about proteus.

has anyone played around to get >32px user pictures in the message views? i am playing with the white bubbles and i have edited the .css and my 48x48px image to show, but only once i send a message. while the typing bubble is there, the image is 32px (i think) and then once return is pressed the images goes to 48px.

kinda strange.
anyone got any ideas?

[Holigen]

I just noticed your post above mine Adam. Im having the problem of CPU hogging as well Im afraid to say. Ill be submitting a bug report soon. Restarting Adium seems to fix it.

[edit:
clarification
]

[nforcer]

Originally posted by resImadA:
You submitted a sample from 0.50 or later?

Tic-tac-toe keeps people like me away, remember? Have you gone over any of my older samples or anyone elses to verify they aren't the rare issue being masked by the event loop one?

We've posted that it would be resolved with our new event loop code in libgaim 0.76, and then we updated and fixed the issue. You are not being ignored. If you were being ignored, the issue would not have been resolved.

Right, and the issue has yet to be resolved. The issue is about a CPU hog problem. New event loop code may have been responsible for some of the CPU hog problem, but if people are still experiencing CPU hog problems, there is a still an unsolved CPU hog problem somewhere despite the new event stuff.

[F_Elz]

I like it

[Fonzie]

What a piece of loathing pile of crap this Proteus4 is. I'm using it though but Justin Wood has has SO ****ING MUCH TIME to do things properly. Like the bloody MSN Filetransfer and groupchat. Can't he base this thing on something else than bloody libGAIM or whatever it is. Everyone has been crying out for filetransfer in MSN for a loooooong time now. And Justin? Well maybe he's both deaf and blind because he has done nothing to implement those features. Damn him.

I'm using it because I like the idea of having all contacts in one place.

If Justin were anything clever he would check up on what other people does in regards to multi-im programs.

I don't know if he can do what the Trillian folks has done. They have had freakin' filetransfer on msn for ages and the free version is only at version 0.74!!!!

now that I think about it. Maybe the combination of iChat and MSN Messenger is better.

[Krypton]

Originally posted by Fonzie:
What a piece of loathing pile of crap this Proteus4 is. I'm using it though but Justin Wood has has SO ****ING MUCH TIME to do things properly. Like the bloody MSN Filetransfer and groupchat. Can't he base this thing on something else than bloody libGAIM or whatever it is. Everyone has been crying out for filetransfer in MSN for a loooooong time now. And Justin? Well maybe he's both deaf and blind because he has done nothing to implement those features. Damn him.

I'm using it because I like the idea of having all contacts in one place.

If Justin were anything clever he would check up on what other people does in regards to multi-im programs.

I don't know if he can do what the Trillian folks has done. They have had freakin' filetransfer on msn for ages and the free version is only at version 0.74!!!!

now that I think about it. Maybe the combination of iChat and MSN Messenger is better.

1. Justin is one guy, Trillian has a whole gang of developers.
2. Latest Fire beta has file transfer and group chat for MSN.
3. Justin is Canadian, most people use AIM in Canada and the Americas, unlike Europe.

[F_Elz]

If you don't like it don't download it >_>

[Fonzie]

Originally posted by Krypton:
1. Justin is one guy, Trillian has a whole gang of developers.
2. Latest Fire beta has file transfer and group chat for MSN.
3. Justin is Canadian, most people use AIM in Canada and the Americas, unlike Europe.

What is keeping Justin from having MORE developers ?Afraid to share his source code? I would ? might be bloated

I don't want to use bloody Fire! I want an interface similar to Proteus(4) because that is well thought of.

Is Justin doing this because of his Canadian friends or is he making it for everyone ? Maybe he should have kept is as a private project including the name which isn't original but a good name nonetheless

@F_Elz, I like it, I even bought it twice LOL. It's just that If Justin can't handle the requests he's getting for the last 2 or so revision numbers then he should call for help. And stop taking money for the program.

As a note. I am not judging his programming skills. they may be fine but it just does not show. If i'm attacking his person in a devious way tell me so- I just have this bloody opinion which i'm entitled to I believe !?

[ryju]

Originally posted by Krypton:

3. Justin is Canadian, most people use AIM in Canada and the Americas, unlike Europe.

99% of everyone I know uses MSN. My friends who use AIM don't even talk on it they just have it running...

That's a silly statement.

[Horsepoo!!!]

Originally posted by ryju:
99% of everyone I know uses MSN. My friends who use AIM don't even talk on it they just have it running...

That's a silly statement.

Anyhoo, it's been said before and it will be said again and again until 4.5 or whatever is out: group chat and MSN file transfer (and possibly MSN buddy icons) are coming in 4.5.

And for those that think the contact list is too big...don't look further than View -> Hide Contact Images. There's a guy on VT that posted the shittiest review because he's incapable of reading the Read Me notes and he can't take 2 seconds to check out the 'View' menu.

[brapper]

Originally posted by ryju:
99% of everyone I know uses MSN. My friends who use AIM don't even talk on it they just have it running...

That's a silly statement.

agreed.

[Krypton]

Originally posted by brapper:
agreed.

Ok, maybe I over generalised without having any facts. I think most of Justin's friends must be on AIM - it started out as a project for him, and that is one of it's focuses, hence the remote connect feature.

I merely made the point about AIM because everytime people have this discussion, all the American users seem to say 'ah well hardly anyone uses MSN here...'.

[Tick]

If it isn't supported in gaim, it won't be in proteus, nor adium. Gotta remember that.

[Holigen]

Tick is right on the mark. And dont none of you start asking him to make an alternative to gaim. It aint gonna happen buckos

[blizzard]

Can someone tell me what that whole

# display name supports special tags, %away_message %away_title %away_start %away_end

thing is all about? Someone said that was Proteus's answer to easy-change MSN names, but when I entered that someone on my list told me my name was just 'Ian'. What do I have to do?

[brapper]

Originally posted by Holigen:
Tick is right on the mark. And dont none of you start asking him to make an alternative to gaim. It aint gonna happen buckos

MAN! i wish he'd just make an alternative to gaim.

(or just give me msn user pics......i miss a polished app while using aMsn!)

[JustinWood]

Can someone tell me what that whole

# display name supports special tags, %away_message %away_title %away_start %away_end

thing is all about? Someone said that was Proteus's answer to easy-change MSN names, but when I entered that someone on my list told me my name was just 'Ian'. What do I have to do?

If you go away, it will insert your away status as part of your display name, for other people to see.

Try:

Ian%away_start (%away_message)

That will result in :
"Ian" if online
"Ian (I am currently away from the computer.)" if away
etc etc

[Krypton]

There are some new Proteus betas now (see the update part in the app), which are far more snappy than the original.

[kovacs]

Originally posted by Krypton:
There are some new Proteus betas now (see the update part in the app), which are far more snappy than the original.

Yep seems like a nice update...