[Zimphire]

Very stable, and clean client.

It lets me connect to all the servers, and supports icons and file transfer.

http://fire.sourceforge.net/

[Krypton]

For all you Proteus/Adium fans, this is what will be coming in a not too distant Fire update:



Thus Fire will have the best feature set, and a great interface too.

(BTW, how do you get unbanninated?)

[Stradlater]

Originally posted by Krypton:
For all you Proteus/Adium fans, this is what will be coming in a not too distant Fire update:



Thus Fire will have the best feature set, and a great interface too.

(BTW, how do you get unbanninated?)

With a webkit it stole from Adium?

What features does it have that make it the "best"?

[Krypton]

Originally posted by Stradlater:
With a webkit it stole from Adium?

What features does it have that make it the "best"?

It didn't steal from Adium.

Proteus borrowed from Colloquoy, Adium borrowed from Proteus and now Fire is in on the fun.

The features that now set it apart from other clients are: MSN file transfer and group chat, GPG security stuff (don't really understand that) plus some advanced Network settings I don't quite know what to do with.

I think the great thing is that it's not dependant on GAIM, which is what is limiting the progress of Proteus and Adium (not for all features, but some do come to mind).

[Stradlater]

Originally posted by Krypton:
It didn't steal from Adium.

Proteus borrowed from Colloquoy, Adium borrowed from Proteus and now Fire is in on the fun.

I don't mean the concept. I mean that specific webkit view in your screenshot. It was, unless I'm mistaken, developed for Adium.

Originally posted by Krypton:
The features that now set it apart from other clients are: MSN file transfer and group chat, GPG security stuff (don't really understand that) plus some advanced Network settings I don't quite know what to do with.

I think the great thing is that it's not dependant on GAIM, which is what is limiting the progress of Proteus and Adium (not for all features, but some do come to mind).

I'm sure these things will come to Adium (and Proteus) in the future.

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by Krypton:
For all you Proteus/Adium fans, this is what will be coming in a not too distant Fire update:



Thus Fire will have the best feature set, and a great interface too.

That looks great!

(BTW, how do you get unbanninated?)

I was never perm banned. I did my time.

[Fonzie]

too bad that my MSN filetransfers fails every time.

[macintologist]

Same here, but it fails on the official client too so it's my connection not Fire. I've never tried MSN for windows so i dont know entirely if my connection though...

[Horsepoo!!!]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
Very stable, and clean client.

It lets me connect to all the servers, and supports icons and file transfer.

http://fire.sourceforge.net/

Still looks like my breakfast...5 hours later. Hasn't changed much since DP3 days interface-wise. File transfer is great...but let's face it, this is the most convoluted of all IM clients.

I used it for a full day...and what a depressing day it was.

[threestain]

I always liked trillian when I was on the dark side. nothing seems to be as neat as it was. dunno why. fire is ok, but I think proteus is better overall

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by Horsepoo!!!:
File transfer is great...but let's face it, this is the most convoluted of all IM clients.

I used it for a full day...and what a depressing day it was.

Wow, I've never had such hateful feelings toward software.

It's the easiest for me to use.. it works.. it's not convoluted at all. It's pretty darn simple.

But coming from the source..

I need a IM app that connects to all of them and supports file transfer and DOESN'T crash 24/7 and has a clean GUI.

So far, Fire is the only one to fit the description.

[Horsepoo!!!]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
Wow, I've never had such hateful feelings toward software.

It's the easiest for me to use.. it works.. it's not convoluted at all. It's pretty darn simple.

But coming from the source..

I need a IM app that connects to all of them and supports file transfer and DOESN'T crash 24/7 and has a clean GUI.

So far, Fire is the only one to fit the description.

To me, the GUI looks to be the combined effort of Dr Frankenstein and a Linux developer.

File transfer is great...but not when a myriad of other features are sacrificed such as :

- decent meta-contact (Fire's crude method is no good)
- Address Book integration
- ability to log on to more than one same-service account simultaneously (2 AIM accounts for example)
- ability to quit the front-end and still be able to receive messages which are either stored until next launch or automatically launch the app
- customization plugins

...to name a few.

The F in Fire is for Fail.

[blackbird_1.0]

Originally posted by Krypton:
For all you Proteus/Adium fans, this is what will be coming in a not too distant Fire update:



Thus Fire will have the best feature set, and a great interface too.

(BTW, how do you get unbanninated?)

Hell yes!

[NYCFarmboy]

3 Things I like about Fire 1.0:

1. No Ads. If you enjoy AOL's advertising continue to use AIM though.

2. Very nice font/color/size specifications... so you have a uniform look on all your messenger services.

3. Only having to use one program to use all the messenger services. Saves on desktop clutter big time.

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by Horsepoo!!!:
To me, the GUI looks to be the combined effort of Dr Frankenstein and a Linux developer.

That is highly subjective.

File transfer is great...but not when a myriad of other features are sacrificed such as :

- decent meta-contact (Fire's crude method is no good)
- Address Book integration
- ability to log on to more than one same-service account simultaneously (2 AIM accounts for example)
- ability to quit the front-end and still be able to receive messages which are either stored until next launch or automatically launch the app
- customization plugins

...to name a few.

The F in Fire is for Fail. [/B]

It has plugins.. not that I care. See none of that above matters to me.

It does what I need it to.

No other IM app does.

[NYCFarmboy]

Be very careful when downloading Fire that you specify the version for EITHER 10.1 or 10.2 & 10.3.

The default appears to be Fire for 10.1...and after downloading it to my ibook and g4 and just having no luck I saw in the tiny print that there are two versions...and downloaded the correct version for Panther and it works fine.


Here is a screenshot. (Metalicized using Metalifizer Application Enhancer)

[phillryu]

Originally posted by Krypton:
For all you Proteus/Adium fans, this is what will be coming in a not too distant Fire update:



Thus Fire will have the best feature set, and a great interface too.

(BTW, how do you get unbanninated?)

No, my friend. What you are seeing there is a custom message view stolen directly from Adium, and a drawer stolen from Omniweb. And the parts that aren't stolen are fudged up in normal Fire fashion. Such as the split pane with inconsistent shading, and off-centered text entry view, and the odd padding on the bttom of the window, and the 1 pixel off scroll bar on the message view, and the window title.

[gorickey]

Originally posted by phillryu:
No, my friend. What you are seeing there is a custom message view stolen directly from Adium, and a drawer stolen from Omniweb. And the parts that aren't stolen are fudged up in normal Fire fashion. Such as the split pane with inconsistent shading, and off-centered text entry view, and the odd padding on the bttom of the window, and the 1 pixel off scroll bar on the message view, and the window title.

Amen.

[resImadA]

We ABSOLUTELY DID NOT borrow the webkit from Proteus. The colloquy developer approached us with his webkit work and asked if we wanted to use it.

Gaim is NOT LIMITING THE PROGRESS of Adium. Gaim allows us to focus on interface code and not spend all our time keeping up with the protocols. It helps us make progress.

I'm very disappointed with the false information being spread on these forums as of late.

[gorickey]

Originally posted by resImadA:
I'm very disappointed with the false information being spread on these forums as of late.

Biases/opinions cause false information to grow unfortunately...it's silly really...

[Horsepoo!!!]

Originally posted by Zimphire:

No other IM app does.

That's highly subjective also.

I don't find Fire to be particularly stable or clean. And official IM clients handle file transfer and icons just fine. And because the official clients support these, I find other features (the ones I listed) that don't exist in the official clients to be a huge deciding factor.

Because Fire offers next to nothing over the existing official client other than merging them into one app, I find it to be very lacking and would rather use the official clients separately.

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by resImadA:
We ABSOLUTELY DID NOT borrow the webkit from Proteus. The colloquy developer approached us with his webkit work and asked if we wanted to use it.

Gaim is NOT LIMITING THE PROGRESS of Adium. Gaim allows us to focus on interface code and not spend all our time keeping up with the protocols. It helps us make progress.

I'm very disappointed with the false information being spread on these forums as of late.

It's silly to get upset about software.

[phillryu]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
It's silly to get upset about software.

Zimphire, that's Adam Iser. If Adium was my own baby, I'd get upset too

[F_Elz]

Fire 1.0 does everything I want and more, Never crashed on me, and its not as buggy as other im apps.

[Krypton]

Originally posted by resImadA:
Gaim is NOT LIMITING THE PROGRESS of Adium. Gaim allows us to focus on interface code and not spend all our time keeping up with the protocols. It helps us make progress.

I'm very disappointed with the false information being spread on these forums as of late.

My point was, that to have feature xyz in Adium or Proteus, feature xyz needs to be present in GAIM first (protocol features anyway) - hence the feature set of GAIM limits what can be done in Adium or Proteus. E.g. MSN file transfer.

On the other hand, GAIM allows you to concentrate on the interface side of things (as you stated) which is an advantage.

[Krypton]

Originally posted by phillryu:
No, my friend. What you are seeing there is a custom message view stolen directly from Adium, and a drawer stolen from Omniweb. And the parts that aren't stolen are fudged up in normal Fire fashion. Such as the split pane with inconsistent shading, and off-centered text entry view, and the odd padding on the bttom of the window, and the 1 pixel off scroll bar on the message view, and the window title.

That is a pre release development build, that tab drawer and WebKit view might not even make it into the app.

Head over to the Fire forums, and you will see alternative single window modes that are being developed, that you may find more original.

[jessejlt]

I'm surprised to see such insane ruthless hate for an opensource app Personally, I think it's a great app and I thank the developers.

jesse ;-)

[Corintheus]

Jees, the way some people on this forum bash free programs, it's no wonder some programmers decide to either not bother making a program for the Mac or to cancel what they're working on. Mac users want a program that is completely based on what THEY want. It will cater to someon's needs, or it won't. Some people will love it, some people will hate it. But it's the people who go out to bitch about how **** a program is that ruins it. Like really, if you don't like it, either make constructive criticisms for improving it or **** off.

I'm sick of some of the posts on here that bash programs for "stealing" some trivial idea. Or how the interface is just ****. Cry me a ****in' river. Use the program you're currently in love with and let the people who like the program use it and like it.

This post brought to you by James Boag's Premium beer.

[Zimphire]

Yeah I have used many a IM app. I always go back to Fire.

They have done a GREAT Job. Fire was also one of the first cocoa apps out there for OS X.

[macintologist]

Zimphire I agree. I've been using Fire ever since I discovered that you didn't have to use the official clients. Although I only use it for MSN, it still serves me perfectly for what I need. It lets me bypass all though silly names that people give themselves and is super clean and Mac-like (unlike the official client).

When I show off my Powerbook to my friends, one of the things I show them is Fire and how pleasant it is to use. MSN, even on Windows, is hideous.

I use iChat for AIM though.

[brutal]

Originally posted by Krypton:
Proteus borrowed from Colloquoy, Adium borrowed from Proteus and now Fire is in on the fun.

The theme, Smooth Operator by Brad Smith, was ported from Colloquy to Proteus just 3 days ago - The Adium version has been avaliable for months..

And everytime I kick my rap, man I stick to facts.
- Blinky Blink/Harlem World

[resImadA]

Originally posted by Krypton:
My point was, that to have feature xyz in Adium or Proteus, feature xyz needs to be present in GAIM first (protocol features anyway) - hence the feature set of GAIM limits what can be done in Adium or Proteus. E.g. MSN file transfer.

You're forgetting that Gaim is open source. Adding a feature to Gaim is no different than adding it to any other library. And as a bonus there is another team who would keep the code maintained and working.

[Krypton]

Originally posted by resImadA:
You're forgetting that Gaim is open source. Adding a feature to Gaim is no different than adding it to any other library. And as a bonus there is another team who would keep the code maintained and working.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that the Adium devs (such as yourself) don't contribute to the GAIM source - hence why I said what I said.

As to the Smooth Operator theme: I fully admit that the Fire team didn't create that theme etc, however I thought we were having yet another discussion about webkit views

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by Horsepoo!!!:
That's highly subjective also.

No, no it's not. I've tried THEM ALL. None does the job but Fire.

I don't find Fire to be particularly stable or clean. And official IM clients handle file transfer and icons just fine. And because the official clients support these, I find other features (the ones I listed) that don't exist in the official clients to be a huge deciding factor.

Well see, I don't want to have to have 4 or 5 different IM apps open.

Because Fire offers next to nothing over the existing official client other than merging them into one app, I find it to be very lacking and would rather use the official clients separately.

Well then do it.

I find your dislike of this app to be a bit creepy.

[Horsepoo!!!]

Originally posted by Zimphire:

I find your dislike of this app to be a bit creepy.

I find your liking of this app to be creepier.

[oVeRmInD911]

Originally posted by Krypton:
Maybe I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that the Adium devs (such as yourself) don't contribute to the GAIM source - hence why I said what I said.

As to the Smooth Operator theme: I fully admit that the Fire team didn't create that theme etc, however I thought we were having yet another discussion about webkit views

Actually, Evan has contributed code for GAIM, and is listed on their contributors page.

libgaim is a relatively young effort, and as more development goes into it (and there will be a lot; GAIM is one of the busiest projects on SF.net), the benefits of it will become more clear.

It's an investment, and it will be very much worth it in the end.

[Chinasaur]

Fire 1.0 changed the grouping of my Jabber contact list...but then so did Proteus. I'll go with the multi-client that doesn't do uncommanded mod's to my groups.

[phillryu]

Originally posted by Krypton:
That is a pre release development build, that tab drawer and WebKit view might not even make it into the app.

Head over to the Fire forums, and you will see alternative single window modes that are being developed, that you may find more original.

In other words, they might? That's not good interface, that's stolen intellectual property. (The webkit design was designed specifically for Adium.) I'm just going to assume that it was a personal mod, and is not planned for release. OR, they got permission from Brad Oliver. In which case, all is good.

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by Horsepoo!!!:
I find your liking of this app to be creepier.

I am not as zealous about it as you.

[F_Elz]

Fire does the job for me, Adium, Proteus, and others do not. There :o
My personal preferance though.

[threestain]

but ducks are cool!

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by threestain:
but ducks are cool!

Not if they keep dying.

[Developer]

Originally posted by phillryu:
In other words, they might? That's not good interface, that's stolen intellectual property. (The webkit design was designed specifically for Adium.)

If it was released with Adium, then it is not intelectual property since Adium is under the GPL. Fire would be free to use it.

[F_Elz]

Very True

[ambush]

The webkit chatviews idea were stolen from Colloquy, a neat Cocoa IRC client.

Glad to see fire is not dead! (it never was, heh)

[Zimphire]

I don't see it..

http://colloquy.info/screenshots.html

[Horsepoo!!!]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
I don't see it..

http://colloquy.info/screenshots.html

You can't see it...that must also mean you can't read because ambush said the webkit chatviews idea was taken from Colloquy.

[godzookie2k]

why do people need to have webkit in their im clients?

[Horsepoo!!!]

Originally posted by godzookie2k:
why do people need to have webkit in their im clients?

To allow customization beyond the normally hard-coded message layouts. Why do you need group chat or file transfer? Because of a little thing called 'demand'.

You will probably learn about this so-called 'demand' in a college course when you're out of high school.

[godzookie2k]

kid, I'm long since out of college. Are these the same people who yammer on about Apple's wonderful UI standards? or would we rather applications have six completely different UI's like on the "other side"?