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storer · Jun 5, 2004, 01:29 AM

hi. just wondering what browser I should be using on my iMac. G3 Slot Loader 500mhz 40GB Harddrive.
Internet explorer is slow and slows down the maching. I downloaded mozilla, but the installer doesnt work: it sits and doesnt download any data from the servers. so what do you use on OS9?

angelmb · Jun 5, 2004, 05:23 AM

I use iCab under Mac OS 9.

After try all the browser available under Mac OS X, I use iCab and Safari.

Millennium · Jun 5, 2004, 08:14 AM

iCab and IE/Mac are really your only choices at this point. IE/Mac has much better standards support but is no longer being developed. iCab, meanwhile, is severely lacking in the CSS department, but is still under development, so there's always hope for The Next Version.

Macola · Jun 5, 2004, 09:27 AM

Or you can find an older version of Netscape Navigator (the original one, before AOL trashed it). I think it was version 4.6 or 4.7...

wataru · Jun 5, 2004, 01:17 PM

Originally posted by Macola:
Or you can find an older version of Netscape Navigator (the original one, before AOL trashed it). I think it was version 4.6 or 4.7...

Noooooo! Netscape Navigator 4.x has horrible CSS and JavaScript support. If I were the original poster I'd be running IE.

Actually, I'd have switched to OS X and Safari, but that's another matter.

Macola · Jun 5, 2004, 01:56 PM

Originally posted by wataru:
Noooooo! Netscape Navigator 4.x has horrible CSS and JavaScript support. If I were the original poster I'd be running IE.

Actually, I'd have switched to OS X and Safari, but that's another matter.

Notice I didn't comment on which was better or worse, just that there is another alternative for OS 9. Personally, I never used Navigator in OS 9 days.

This review may help:
http://www.wap.org/journal/os9browsers/default.html

madmacgames · Jun 5, 2004, 02:00 PM

netscape 7.0 - 7.02 will run on OS 9. You can find it at the evolt.org archive: http://browsers.evolt.org/?navigator/mac/7.02

may find something else at the archive that runs on OS 9 as well.

PS. what mozilla did you try? only 1.2.1 or earlier will work on OS 9

storer · Jun 5, 2004, 06:30 PM

Originally posted by madmacgames:
netscape 7.0 - 7.02 will run on OS 9. You can find it at the evolt.org archive: http://browsers.evolt.org/?navigator/mac/7.02

may find something else at the archive that runs on OS 9 as well.

PS. what mozilla did you try? only 1.2.1 or earlier will work on OS 9

i tried moziall1.2.1
my mac came with netscape 4.0 installed and Macola is right: it is shocking! i will have a look at the new Netscape. Is IE slow for any reason. On the apple website they have like a speed-o-meter and IE is last.

Chuckit · Jun 5, 2004, 07:05 PM

Originally posted by Millennium:
iCab and IE/Mac are really your only choices at this point. IE/Mac has much better standards support but is no longer being developed. iCab, meanwhile, is severely lacking in the CSS department, but is still under development, so there's always hope for The Next Version.

I don't think the more recent versions of iCab are that bad. It's a lot better than it used to be. Plus it has tabbed browsing.

madmacgames · Jun 5, 2004, 08:05 PM

Originally posted by Chuckit:
I don't think the more recent versions of iCab are that bad.

Oh really? try viewing any XHTML/CSS site with it (that does not use tables for layout).

madmacgames · Jun 5, 2004, 08:08 PM

Originally posted by storer:
my mac came with netscape 4.0 installed and Macola is right: it is shocking! i will have a look at the new Netscape

netscape 4 is really old and terrible. netscape 7 is still slower than some other browsers like mozilla, but if given the choice of IE 5, iCab, or NS7, I would have to pick NS 7.

PS. the newest netscape (7.1) does not work on OS 9. from the version 7 "series", only 7, 7.01, or 7.02 works with OS 9, which can be found at that browser archive.

RooneyX · Jun 5, 2004, 08:45 PM

X11 Mozilla is very fast but doesn't remember your settings. Or at least mine.

wataru · Jun 5, 2004, 09:05 PM

Originally posted by madmacgames:
netscape 4 is really old and terrible. netscape 7 is still slower than some other browsers like mozilla, but if given the choice of IE 5, iCab, or NS7, I would have to pick NS 7.

PS. the newest netscape (7.1) does not work on OS 9. from the version 7 "series", only 7, 7.01, or 7.02 works with OS 9, which can be found at that browser archive.

Even Netscape 7 can't handle CSS layout very well. I recommend steering clear of any and all Netscape versions. There's really no reason to use them since there's Mozilla.

Mr. Blur · Jun 5, 2004, 10:58 PM

i would recommend mozilla 1.2.1 as well. going back to the original post, if you are having trouble with the "stub" installer try just downloading the whole thing and running the install from the local computer:
http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.o.../mozilla1.2.1/ or directly to the file:
http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.o...1.2.1-full.bin

Chuckit · Jun 5, 2004, 11:07 PM

Originally posted by RooneyX:
X11 Mozilla is very fast but doesn't remember your settings. Or at least mine.

Hey, consider yourself lucky. I can't even get X11 Mozilla to launch on OS 9.

storer · Jun 6, 2004, 02:35 AM

Originally posted by Mr. Blur:
i would recommend mozilla 1.2.1 as well. going back to the original post, if you are having trouble with the "stub" installer try just downloading the whole thing and running the install from the local computer:
http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.o.../mozilla1.2.1/ or directly to the file:
http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.o...1.2.1-full.bin

thanks
mozilla is fantastic. it is fast and it does not slow down the rest of my applications.

macvillage.net · Jun 14, 2004, 02:25 PM

Originally posted by wataru:
Even Netscape 7 can't handle CSS layout very well. I recommend steering clear of any and all Netscape versions. There's really no reason to use them since there's Mozilla.

netscape 7 is based on Mozilla 1.0
netscape 7.1 (current release) is based on 1.4
Netscape 7.2 (due out soon) is based on 1.7

since 1.4, there hasn't been many CSS tweeks... and there haven't been to many since 1.0...

so it's rather unsubstantiated, since the code base is the same.

mitchell_pgh · Jun 14, 2004, 02:56 PM

Netscape 4.7 or IE for OS 9...

That's about your only choice.

wataru · Jun 14, 2004, 03:42 PM

Originally posted by mitchell_pgh:
Netscape 4.7 or IE for OS 9...

That's about your only choice.

As someone already mentioned, an old version of Mozilla is available for OS 9.

Regarding Netscape 7's CSS support: Maybe there haven't been many changes since 1.4, but Netscape just doesn't render a perfectly valid (and correct under Mozilla 1.7, Firefox, Safari, IE, etc.) CSS layout that I made for a site I did recently. Specifically, a div that should be fixed on the right appears on the left, overlapping another div.

Synotic · Jun 14, 2004, 05:04 PM

Originally posted by wataru:
As someone already mentioned, an old version of Mozilla is available for OS 9.

Regarding Netscape 7's CSS support: Maybe there haven't been many changes since 1.4, but Netscape just doesn't render a perfectly valid (and correct under Mozilla 1.7, Firefox, Safari, IE, etc.) CSS layout that I made for a site I did recently. Specifically, a div that should be fixed on the right appears on the left, overlapping another div.

Well that means that it doesn't work on older versions of Mozilla either then. Do you have an example of your problem anywhere? There's almost always another way to achieve the result you want. Also, just being syntactically correct doesn't mean it's structurally sound.