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There are very few new features, and from what I've seen, none that I'd be willing to pay for.
I am truly disappointed with Intuit for not doing anything new with the past few products. They are in a rut.
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$70 is a joke, too. Maybe $45 or $50 new and less for an upgrade, but $70, no thanks.
(I know, if it's too much for me, don't buy it... Got it. Now others don't have to say it!)
In any case, the 2002 version is working just fine here. It's bloatware like Office. I never use 3/4 of the "features."
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Here in Australia they don't even bother to sell a Mac version (not even 2002)!
I mailed them and asked why and got some lame reason about export laws used to prevent them, and now this isn't the case Intuit in the US won't give them the source! What the?
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As opposed to all of the previous updates, which were revolutionary?
Quicken hasn't had a meaningful update since they ported it to OS X. Every year they add a few silly bells and whistles without ever addressing the application's numerous underlying problems. It's like decorating a tree that's rotting from the inside. Quicken 2004 still has many of the same bugs that Quicken 2002 had.
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agreed.
Give iBank a shot - no bloat, very responsive developer, and works very well (replaced Quicken for me after I tried it for a month)
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Originally posted by cpac:
agreed.
Give iBank a shot - no bloat, very responsive developer, and works very well (replaced Quicken for me after I tried it for a month)
I'll consider it when he makes it sync with pocket quicken and track brokerage accounts.
Has anyone here tried Moneydance?
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Originally posted by ryarber:
I'll consider it when he makes it sync with pocket quicken and track brokerage accounts.
Has anyone here tried Moneydance?
I didn't say iBank did everything - but you can sync now with pocketquicken if pocketquicken can export into .qif or similar. As for reverse engineering an entire Palm conduit - does anybody besides Quicken have this capability?
Also, iBank can and does track brokerage accounts right now....
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Did I miss something? When the hell was Quicken 2005 announced?
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I don't use Quicken myself, I use Gnucash running on my freebsd server with X redirected. I believe they compiled gnucash for OS X but it uses X, not Aqua. I really hope some day they create an Aqua version.
Both my brother and my father used Quicken for windows before they Switched to mac. And both have said that Quicken for Mac is far buggier and has less features than the Windows counterpart. I was hoping that the 2005 Quicken brought it up to the windows version, but it seems like Intuit isn't taking MacOS X seriously. I'd imagine their Mac team is far smaller and probably shares very little code with the Windows team. Oy. 
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Originally posted by Sneeper:
I don't use Quicken myself, I use Gnucash running on my freebsd server with X redirected. I believe they compiled gnucash for OS X but it uses X, not Aqua. I really hope some day they create an Aqua version.
Both my brother and my father used Quicken for windows before they Switched to mac. And both have said that Quicken for Mac is far buggier and has less features than the Windows counterpart. I was hoping that the 2005 Quicken brought it up to the windows version, but it seems like Intuit isn't taking MacOS X seriously. I'd imagine their Mac team is far smaller and probably shares very little code with the Windows team. Oy.
I used to use Quicken for Windows. Your brother and father are right. Quicken for Windows is light years ahead of Quicken Mac. There is no comparison except from quicken mac to nothing at all. Not only is the windows version buggier, it is prettier and has tons more features. It is truly a polished product. They clearly don't care about their mac customers.
Does anyone know how we can complain to quicken about this? Anyone have an email address or care to start a petition? Maybe we would do better by supporting another application like moneydance and send them our suggestions. Seems like it would have a better chance of actually finding someone who would listen to us and try to create a solid package of financial software we wouldn't mind running.
I'm contemplating buying VPC just so I can use quicken for windows on my mac, but still I wouldn't be able to sync with pocket quicken unless I run it through the mac version and then import it into quicken for windows.
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Yeah I can't stress enough how different Quicken for Windows and Quicken for the Mac is, every year I hope that Intuit will simply port the Windows version to the Mac. And it's no use writing to Intuit, (1) They won't respond, it's been done too many times and (2) I've beta tested for them in the past, they won't even resolve the bugs their beta testers submit. I think I'm not the only unhappy Intuit Beta tester on this board...
Anyways I just picked up Quicken 2005, only real useful feature I can see is the new Home Inventory app. I plan on utilizing this to the fullest. They do bring up a good point for Insurance Purposes. You can take pictures of every item in your home and put a dollar value on it and export those pictures and stuff like that. But when you really think about it, the only time I would need this is if there was a fire or flood in my home. Either way, my computer is S.O.L and I would loose the Home Inventory program. Don't know too many people that do offsite backups....UNLESS I back it up to my .mac iDisk....Nice....
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Originally posted by iDriveX:
UNLESS I back it up to my .mac iDisk....Nice....
Backing up a photo of everything in my house would take up a *lot* of iDisk space.. and I don't even have that much stuff.
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Yeah, I downloaded the Quicken 2005 manual and I could not find ONE new feature or change in the screenshots or description.
Not one. I tried the Quicken/Money on Windows and it does have a lot of nice stuff, but the UI truly sucks. I personally would love something better, but only Quicken/Money know how to sync with my bank online with bill pay. That's critical to me since I'm far too lazy to pay bills by hand since Quicken has been doing it for 9 years for me.
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Originally posted by alex_kac:
Yeah, I downloaded the Quicken 2005 manual and I could not find ONE new feature or change in the screenshots or description.
Not one. I tried the Quicken/Money on Windows and it does have a lot of nice stuff, but the UI truly sucks. I personally would love something better, but only Quicken/Money know how to sync with my bank online with bill pay. That's critical to me since I'm far too lazy to pay bills by hand since Quicken has been doing it for 9 years for me.
Damn, Nine years? I'm always on the bleeding edge of technology but I just started using Bill Pay when it became free at my bank about 4 or 5 months ago. I was initially very skeptical of using it because I am anal retentive about never having a late payment and stuff, but it turned out to be pretty trustworthy. No problems so far.
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i have about 11 years of data in quicken. i have never found it necessary to upgrade every year just because they release a new version - i upgraded to 2003 (from 2000) way back when and i see no reason to buy 2005. if they want me to upgrade they'll either have to add a lot more useful functions or offer the upgrade at a substantially lower price - i would probably pay $20 to upgrade to 2005 but not the $60 they are asking.
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Has anyone here tried Moneydance?
I'll try to give a relatively comprehensive answer, since a search of the archives shows that this question seems to come up in Quicken threads a lot. In fact, I recall when I was researching Moneydance I did the same search and didn't come up with much here in the forums.
I'm using Moneydance in preference over Quicken 2004. In general I like it a lot. However, before this year I wasn't a Quicken user (or any other finance app for that matter) so if you're a hard core Quicken expert you may want to take this with a grain of salt.
Earlier this year I evaluated Quicken 2004 and Moneydance as my only two choices because they were the only two apps I could find with online banking and billpay. I'm far too lazy to do manual data entry so apps like iBank and Liquid Ledger were not considered as options.
I'll admit my evaluation of Quicken was biased. I had read lots of nasty comments about Quicken for Mac prior to trying it. However, most of those complaints seemed borne out by my (brief) experience with Quicken 2004. Its obviously a Carbon port, and though that's not always a bad thing, in this case its pretty sloppy. Its also very bloated in a lot of ways, with toolbar icons and options that seem to mix web links and in-application functionality in random ways.
I'm sure that someone out there uses all these features of Quicken with great success. For my limited needs, however, it was too much and what I did need seemed poorly implemented. In contrast Moneydance, even with its many flaws, was almost immediately useful.
Here's my thoughts on Moneydance...
The Good:
- Its cheap for what you get. $30 is a reasonable price, and the yearly upgrades run about $15.
- The developer and tech support are very responsive, generally acknowledging issues and fixing them in a week or less. When acknowledged issues require longer to fix (I had one complex issue with an online bank that took nearly a month to fix) the tech support person sent me a follow-up email as soon as a beta release with the fix was available.
- There is an active user community (mailing list) that is helpful. Users cover a span of operating systems, but there is a reasonable contingent of Mac folks for MacOS-specific issues.
- If you are willing to run preview releases (http://www.moneydance.com/preview/) you get bugfixes and new functionality much more quickly than the yearly release. I've used every preview release since February (about 10 releases) and have never had an issue caused by a preview release.
- The online banking functionality (OFX, aka Quicken Direct Connect) works, and it works with more banks than Quicken Mac. By default Moneydance identifies itself to the bank's servers with a Moneydance specific ID. However, it is a trivial preference change to make Moneydance masquerade as Quicken for Windows (tech support or the mailing list can help you make this change). Once this is done you can use all the functionality your bank offers its Windows customers. For me this was important as my bank (Bank of America) no longer offers Mac Quicken support, but it works just fine with Moneydance.
All is not perfect in Moneydance, here's The Bad:
- Its a Java application which uses an Aqua look and feel (not Cocoa for Java, but the AWT Aqua appearance). This is a pretty thin veneer. As a result the UI is full of annoying quirks. Tab groups which are too long for the dialog they appear in, input focus and redraw issues, etc. It also uses modal dialogs in several places where a "real" MacOS X application would use sheets (or not use a modal UI at all).
In short, its not pretty, and because of the underlying tech its not likely to ever feel like a real MacOS X app. That said, several UI issues have been fixed in recent releases, so they are at least making an attempt to have a decent (if not fully OS X native) UI.
- Moneydance has a list of online banks it works with, most of the big names are covered, but if you use a smaller institution (like a credit union) odds are good that Moneydance support won't know the OFX connection details for your bank.
It is possible to define custom OFX connection details for your use, and they can be sent to tech support to be added to their database. Using various techniques the needed connection details can be pulled from your Quicken logs (or if you have a Windows machine, pulled from Quicken or MS Money logs). For this reason you may want to hang onto a copy of Quicken, at least until you've pulled the needed info from your logs.
- Moneydance has some minor issues in its financial tools. Even for my basic needs this was a problem. For example, its "Loan" account type doesn't work very well for anything but the most straight forward loans (car loans work well). The loan account type was unable to correctly calculate my mortgage due to the complexities of escrow, taxes, PMI and other payments.
Workarounds exist for almost all these types of issues, here is where the user group is a good help. Tracking the loan as a "Liability" and managing the split of the payment manually is one option (the one I used). I don't know if Quicken handles this better (I believe it may) but I was willing to do manual entry of this data once a month as the tradeoff for real online banking support.
So if you're willing to live with a less-than-perfect UI, its definitely worth a shot. Eventually I hope Liquid Ledger or one of the other native financial apps implements OFX support. Hopefully that will be the best of both worlds (online banking and a decent UI). In the meantime I find Moneydance to be a credible alternative.
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Does Moneydance support forecasting? The only reason that I even use a PFM is so that I will know how much money I have two weeks from now assuming I pay all my scheduled bills.  Quicken does this (lamely in the Mac version, a little better in the PC version) and MS Money for Windows does a great job of this (but I hate everything else about it.) I just downloaded Moneydance and I couldn't find that in there anywhere.
It seems like such a basic feature. Isn't forecasting why everyone uses a PFM or am I just strange?
Oh and to keep on topic, Quicken 2005 still has my most annoying anti-feature: transactions scheduled for the past that haven't been paid yet (overdue) aren't taken into account in the forecast graph. This caused a tense month before I noticed it happening when I switched from the Windows version that didn't act like this. 
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Does Moneydance support forecasting? The only reason that I even use a PFM is so that I will know how much money I have two weeks from now assuming I pay all my scheduled bills.
I believe this is the intent of the "Balance Predictor" extension, available on the Preview page I linked in my original post. You might also check the mailing list archives. There was a thread on this a month or so ago with complaints, bugs, and suggestions. I didn't follow it very closely as I don't use that functionality, but you might be able to learn more.
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I do have to say this for Quicken 2005 though, you are offered more Account options:
Checking
Savings
Credit Card
Line of Credit
Money Market
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Brokerage
401(k), 403 (b)
IRA, SEP, Keough
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And then there's a whole separate section for loans and loan types. The part that really made me happy is the 401(k) part and the brokerage part. Before I had some brokerage accounts that were strictly mutual funds and it never worked right unless I chose Mutual Fund. But now I can choose Brokerage Account and it all plays nice. Single Mutual Fund is meant for when you purchase shares of a mutual directly from the Fund company. Also, while there is no difference between a Brokerage, 401K and IRA account, it's nice to have it showing up as such in the Accounts Window, it's a much better identifier instead of just "portfolio".
One thing I have always complained about Quicken, and it would be such easy functionality to add would be "CDs" or Certificate of Deposits. All you would have to do is enter in the term in months, the annual percentage yield and it would automatically credit interest to your account monthly without you having to worry about it. Now I have to set it up as a Savings Account and manually credit interest every month. I would set it as a recurring deposit, but every month the interest varies by a few pennies. It would be nice if it was automated.
Also it would be nice if they added other financial accounts in there as well like Fixed and Variable Annuities and Life Insurance with a Cash Value. As it stands now you just have to create a "Cash" account and every time a statement comes in, alter the "receive" column to update the balance. Now that great and these are things that eventually everyone should have in their portfolio. Instead of hiring techs, I wish they would hire some Investment Advisors that could tell them how things should look.
I still like this upgrade. Worth $60? No. Better than the other upgrades? Yes, for the sheer fact that it isn't buggy and has some nice touches to it. This should have been called Quicken 2004.1
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Originally posted by iDriveX:
Damn, Nine years? I'm always on the bleeding edge of technology but I just started using Bill Pay when it became free at my bank about 4 or 5 months ago. I was initially very skeptical of using it because I am anal retentive about never having a late payment and stuff, but it turned out to be pretty trustworthy. No problems so far.
Yeah, 9 years of online banking at least. I've used Wells Fargo the longest, but also a couple others. There was at least twice where they sent out checks using a non-existant account number for every bill in that month. They actually paid ALL the late fees and sent letters to all the people I paid because obviously the checks bounced. That was in 98 or so.
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Originally posted by ryarber:
I used to use Quicken for Windows. Your brother and father are right. Quicken for Windows is light years ahead of Quicken Mac. There is no comparison except from quicken mac to nothing at all. Not only is the windows version buggier, it is prettier and has tons more features. It is truly a polished product. They clearly don't care about their mac customers.
Does anyone know how we can complain to quicken about this? Anyone have an email address or care to start a petition? Maybe we would do better by supporting another application like moneydance and send them our suggestions. Seems like it would have a better chance of actually finding someone who would listen to us and try to create a solid package of financial software we wouldn't mind running.
I'm contemplating buying VPC just so I can use quicken for windows on my mac, but still I wouldn't be able to sync with pocket quicken unless I run it through the mac version and then import it into quicken for windows.
Oops, I meant to say that quicken for windows is less buggy.
I also see that Moneydance has the ability to sync with the Palm via the PocketMoney app or SplashMoney. This is great. Looks like I'll be switching to Moneydance full time now.
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Originally posted by iDriveX:
I still like this upgrade. Worth $60? No. Better than the other upgrades? Yes, for the sheer fact that it isn't buggy and has some nice touches to it. This should have been called Quicken 2004.1
iDriveX, sounds like you've already purchased the new version and tried it out. Do you ever do anything with budgets in Quicken? There are some bugs in the 2002 version (which is what I'm still using) that I'd love to see fixed. Don't know if you've had a chance to try out budgeting in 2005.
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I can try out anything you want, but no I've never used the budget function. I use it mainly to sync with my Palm using PocketQuicken (Digital Checkbook) and then also to track all my investments.
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I know it's selling for $60, but I thought there was a $40 rebate for upgrades.
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Can anyone who has Quicken 2005 tell me if they've added support for multiple currencies yet? That's the one major dealbreaker for me in terms of upgrading. If they had that, I'd actually consider paying the too high price.
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Originally posted by Sinemacula:
Can anyone who has Quicken 2005 tell me if they've added support for multiple currencies yet?
I'm virtually certain that this essential feature is still absent from the Mac version of Quicken. 
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Originally posted by iDriveX:
I can try out anything you want, but no I've never used the budget function. I use it mainly to sync with my Palm using PocketQuicken (Digital Checkbook) and then also to track all my investments.
Nah, thanks anyway though. It's probably too complicated to explain here -- I'll just wait for some of the reviews.
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Quicken sucks.
I have 2004 and there are tons of bugs not fixed since 2002, I was a beta tester also and none of the 10 bugs I reported were fixed.
Also there are still major things missing. For example you can book a Short or Long Capital gain in an investment account, but not a loss!
Short selling stocks throws the whole portofolio out of wack, it doesn't know about the wash sale rule when selecting lots, you can't book options... The tax planner in Q2004 did not accept the real brackets and rates in the US! That was supposedly fixed in Q2005...
Basicaly we, mac users, get sub-par sofware for highjacked prices.
Don't buy Q2005!
Besides the downloading of transactions from online accounts, which is useless if you enter your transaction regularly or need to forecast your balance, a good excel user could do a better job in 10/15 hours. Shame on you intuit.
I wish I had time to build a software from scratch and make it a donationware.
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We should petition the omni group to build a Quicken Killer app for the mac. They do great work and I bet they could put together something better than quicken by next year. Maybe someone like power on software could buy quicken mac from intuit and rebuild it.
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Originally posted by ryarber:
We should petition the omni group to build a Quicken Killer app for the mac. They do great work and I bet they could put together something better than quicken by next year. Maybe someone like power on software could buy quicken mac from intuit and rebuild it.
Seriously guys - iBank - it's cocoa, very intuitive, and replaced Quicken after using it for a month for me. (I had used Quicken for about 6 or 7 years previously). I love the OmniGroup too - but really I think they'd come up with something similar to iBank if they went that direction (and if the iBank guy - Ian - had anywhere near the resources of OmniGroup, we'd all be hailing the death of Quicken already). Try it out, buy a license, and then he'll be able to spend more time on it (or even hire somebody else to help out on it).
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Originally posted by cpac:
Seriously guys - iBank - it's cocoa, very intuitive, and replaced Quicken after using it for a month for me. (I had used Quicken for about 6 or 7 years previously). I love the OmniGroup too - but really I think they'd come up with something similar to iBank if they went that direction (and if the iBank guy - Ian - had anywhere near the resources of OmniGroup, we'd all be hailing the death of Quicken already). Try it out, buy a license, and then he'll be able to spend more time on it (or even hire somebody else to help out on it).
I tried iBank out too and then quickly had to get rid of it. iBank is great for someone with a checkbook and savings account and someone that decided to buy $100 worth of Apple Stock because of the iPod, but for someone that works in the Securities industry, Quicken, unfortunately, is the only choice because it is the most fully featured financial app at this point, which isn't saying much.
I second the Omni idea, but the problem with Financial Software is you really need someone with a Series 7 or the like to be able to build a completely featured app that understands things like the Wash Sale rule, etc. Probably not too many securities reps willing to take the time out to do something like that.
You know who should build a good money app? Apple. They have the financial resources to do it right. Think about it, it's about the last thing missing from Apple's suite of software. Everyone has money, everyone has to transact with money on a daily basis and they have no application that works with it. Wasn't that the reasoning behind iCal? Because everyone does stuff during the day?
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Originally posted by iDriveX:
but for someone that works in the Securities industry, Quicken, unfortunately, is the only choice because it is the most fully featured financial app at this point, which isn't saying much.
Absolutely conceded.
iBank is meant to be a consumer financial tracking tool - for (what I'm guessing is the vast majority of Quicken users) who need to track a checking account, a few credit cards, maybe a student loan or four, and to keep track of the value of their stocks and mutual funds. -- and in doing this sort of basic financial tracking, it shines.
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Nothing groundbreaking but I like some of the new 2005 features (bought it a few days ago).
- Home inventory with iPhoto integration
- Better account set up
Really, that is all I can think of.
Yes, Intuit rapes us Mac users every year and they know it. They put in one or two tiny features, fix a few bugs and call it another $50.
Quicken is just WAY too important for me to not buy it. The data behind quicken is almost 10 years old and it would take a VERY good application with EVERY feature of Quicken plus a lot more for me to move.
The only thing that is good about it at this point is they still update it.
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I guess I'll continue to use Quicken 2002 on my PC, until the PC dies. It's the ONLY program (at home) that requires me to have a PC.
I've been wanting to upgrade to Quicken on X for just about forever, but every time a new version comes out, everyone says it is lame, and thus I don't bother.
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Well, it is 100% better than using a PC.
If it is the only thing holding you back, try the 30 trial and see if you like it.
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Originally posted by Eug Wanker:
I guess I'll continue to use Quicken 2002 on my PC, until the PC dies. It's the ONLY program (at home) that requires me to have a PC.
I've been wanting to upgrade to Quicken on X for just about forever, but every time a new version comes out, everyone says it is lame, and thus I don't bother.
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I think "Liquid Ledger" looks pretty damn good but they are WAY behind on the updates, I wonder if they're dead :-/
http://www.liquidledger.com/

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I'm still getting by fine with Quicken 2002 on my Mac. I don't have any really complicated needs, but it would be nice if they managed to beef up support for things like 401(k)s and budgeting (it's REALLY buggy). But I haven't been annoyed enough to switch to anything else. I tried out iBank and didn't see any advantages that make switching worthwhile, and I suppose if I ever do decide to switch it will be to MS Money running on VPC.
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When I switched from a PC to a Mac, I puchased Quicken 2004 for Mac. It doesn't have the "savings goals" feature the Windows version has - so it was useless for me. Then, when I tried to convert 7 years of data back to the PC version, it wouldn't convert correctly!
Needless to say, I started over on the PC version, and it's the only reason I still have a PC. I just use VNC to view the PC screen on my Mac, and that way I can do everything on one computer.
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Originally posted by Sneeper:
Backing up a photo of everything in my house would take up a *lot* of iDisk space.. and I don't even have that much stuff.
Burn it onto a CD and bury it in the garden...or maybe leave it at work.
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I don't think Intuit is taking the Mac community seriously. I think we should start an online petition. Anyone good at writing one up?
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Originally posted by Sneeper:
I don't think Intuit is taking the Mac community seriously. I think we should start an online petition.
I don't think it would have any effect. The people at Apple know that Quicken for Mac development is way behind that for Quicken for Windows. The people at Intuit know this as well. There are probably good economic reasons for this -- and who can argue with that? 
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Originally posted by Sneeper:
I don't think Intuit is taking the Mac community seriously. I think we should start an online petition. Anyone good at writing one up?
Because online petitions ever work.
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Originally posted by Le Flaneur:
I don't think it would have any effect. The people at Apple know that Quicken for Mac development is way behind that for Quicken for Windows. The people at Intuit know this as well. There are probably good economic reasons for this -- and who can argue with that?
Didn't Intuit plan on dumping Mac Quicken but decided not to when Apple promised to bundle it with every new iMac? (This was a couple of years ago).
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Originally posted by Le Flaneur:
I don't think it would have any effect. The people at Apple know that Quicken for Mac development is way behind that for Quicken for Windows. The people at Intuit know this as well. There are probably good economic reasons for this -- and who can argue with that?
What we can do is refuse to buy subpar software. 
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Here's a weird one for ya.
So I was using WebEx online to take a test for the NASD Series 63 exam and as I moused over a certain part of the text, a little message box popped up. Quicken was hidden in the background, the only active app was WebEx. I brought Quicken to the front and then put the Safari window over it (WebEx is a plugin inside the Safari Window) and moused over where I thought the iCal icon would be in one of my Accounts Windows in Quicken and sure enough the text box popped up.
Is this a Mac OS X quirk or a Quicken Quirk?
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http://homepage.mac.com/idrivex/quicken.gif
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Originally posted by ryarber:
What we can do is refuse to buy subpar software.
And then they dump it citing lack of demand. No, what you do is encourage other developers (such as Liquid Ledger and iBank) and make sure they know the critical features needed for you to switch to them. For me, it's Pocket Quicken sync capability.
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Originally posted by diamondsw:
And then they dump it citing lack of demand. No, what you do is encourage other developers (such as Liquid Ledger and iBank) and make sure they know the critical features needed for you to switch to them. For me, it's Pocket Quicken sync capability.
I agree on the Pocket Quicken sync. I ignored Pocket Quicken for the longest time, and now that I have it, it's too handy to give up. 
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