[TETENAL]

What's new about it? Did the install erase any partitions?

[Horsepoo!!!]

Keep Mini Player On Top is new in the Advanced Pref pane. Also...I don't remember how the old Preference was but now there's an iPod pane and the pane is more in tune with the new Panther style of panes.

A tad disappointed that Steve Jobs' "it's all about the music" has been severely violated with the iPod Photo. Is it still possible to take Steve seriously? Not saying that an iPod Photo is a wrong turn. Just saying Steve is confused.

What's this thing about iTunes synching photos with the iPod? iTunes *should* be all about the music. I hope this is a PC-only feature and that on the Mac, iPhoto takes care of the synching or that would make iTunes out of tune (haha) with Apple's idea of separating different purposes by apps.

I hope this is not a view into Apple's future. I think the iPod's success and Apple wanting to please the masses is making it lose focus of keeping things simple and organized. I don't want Apple to become Microsoft.

[-Q-]

When I first started iTunes 4.7 (and no lost data ) it asked for QT 6.5.2. I can only find 6.5.1 so it looks like a QT update will be coming soon also.

[OAW]

Originally posted by Horsepoo!!!:


What's this thing about iTunes synching photos with the iPod? iTunes *should* be all about the music. I hope this is a PC-only feature and that on the Mac, iPhoto takes care of the synching or that would make iTunes out of tune (haha) with Apple's idea of separating different purposes by apps.

This seemed strange to me at first too, but given the realities on the ground it was really the only option. It does make more sense for iPhoto to control the photo syncing, but you have to remember that iPhoto does not exist for Windows. Apparently, Apple doesn't want to release iPhoto for Windows which is why it syncs with the Adobe Elements or Album products. Consequently, the control of the syncing has to come from a software product that Apple does control which also exists on the Windows platform. That software is iTunes. Simple as that.

Having said all that, it doesn't appears that the photo syncing is very intrusive in the iTunes UI. It appears that it is nothing more than some options in the application preferences, which IMO is a good thing.

OAW

[ManOfSteal]

Originally posted by -Q-:
When I first started iTunes 4.7 (and no lost data ) it asked for QT 6.5.2. I can only find 6.5.1 so it looks like a QT update will be coming soon also.

Bingo!

[jocker]

And and and check this out...

[Stradlater]

Originally posted by jocker:
And and and check this out...

What about it?

[Pauline]

In the edit menu you can also choose to 'Show Duplicate Song' which I think is new. If it isn't, it's the first time I've clocked it

[Powaqqatsi]

Originally posted by Pauline:
In the edit menu you can also choose to 'Show Duplicate Song' which I think is new. If it isn't, it's the first time I've clocked it

It's new.

[ManOfSteal]

Originally posted by Pauline:
In the edit menu you can also choose to 'Show Duplicate Song' which I think is new. If it isn't, it's the first time I've clocked it

Oh damn! Nice find...that is really cool...

[Fusion]

These still have no shown up on Software Update for me. Is this where you are getting them or are you just downloading them from Apple?

Any word on when it will appear in Software Update?

[ManOfSteal]

Originally posted by Fusion:
These still have no shown up on Software Update for me. Is this where you are getting them or are you just downloading them from Apple?

Any word on when it will appear in Software Update?

SU is always slow...

http://www.macupdate.com

[lupin]

Unfortunately you still can't tab between the fields in the delete songs dialog box.

[Landos Mustache]

Originally posted by Stradlater:
What about it?

I think he mean that it is cool that it would check and tell you that.

[jocker]

Originally posted by Landos Mustache:
I think he mean that it is cool that it would check and tell you that.

No sorry I didn't mean that.

AirTunes does NOT require that port to be open to stream music.. I posted that image because it also mentioned an AirTunes remote control.... am i the only one excited about an airtunes remote control?

[mitchell_pgh]

4.7 erased my music collection, crashed my HD and ran away with my girlfriend!!!

That's it... I'm moving to VAX!

[mitchell_pgh]

Originally posted by jocker:
No sorry I didn't mean that.

AirTunes does NOT require that port to be open to stream music.. I posted that image because it also mentioned an AirTunes remote control.... am i the only one excited about an airtunes remote control?

No, because that opens up a ton of possibilities...

[jocker]

Originally posted by mitchell_pgh:
No, because that opens up a ton of possibilities...

Exactly!!

What will this remote control look like... it would need a colour screen to show album artwork. And it obviously transmits over TCP/IP which means 802.11g. Touchscreen too?

Oooohhh lets speculate!

[jocker]

I see the future....

Your mac is the centre of the digital hub.

But you have a whole bunch of 2" flat panel displays with click wheels, scattered around the house (wall mountable, too) to 'control' iTunes, iPhoto, iDVD etc, and a whole bunch of airport expresses (supporting TV out and optical audio out) hooked up to Plasma TVs, Stereos etc

[Horsepoo!!!]

Remote control != a small rectangular box with buttons to control AirTunes in this case.

By remote control they mean to control AirTunes remotely (or at a distance) using iTunes on the computer.

[mitchell_pgh]

Originally posted by Horsepoo!!!:
Remote control != a small rectangular box with buttons to control AirTunes in this case.

By remote control they mean to control AirTunes remotely (or at a distance) using iTunes on the computer.

Sorry, that does not feed into my Apple elitist pipe dream so it must be incorrect

[Landos Mustache]

Originally posted by Horsepoo!!!:
By remote control they mean to control AirTunes remotely (or at a distance) using iTunes on the computer.

Ya that is what I think as the sentence doesn't make sense in this way.

They would have said "...from your AirTunes remote control from working"

[OAW]

Originally posted by Horsepoo!!!:
Remote control != a small rectangular box with buttons to control AirTunes in this case.

By remote control they mean to control AirTunes remotely (or at a distance) using iTunes on the computer.

I think some of the confusion over this issue is the result of an unfortunate branding decision Apple made when it came up with AirTunes. They wanted to hype the capability of the Airport Express to stream music from iTunes wirelessly. So some genius decided to call it AirTunes and market it as a feature of the Airport Express. While technically this is true, it is only partially true because it can't do this by itself. iTunes is still in the mix so one could argue that this is a feature of iTunes as well. Personally, I don't think the name adds any value and only serves to confuse the issue. They could have simply called it the Airport Express and hyped the ability to wirelessly stream iTunes music and called it a day. Having said that, Jocker makes the point that the function of "AirTunes" as it exists today does not require port 3689 to be open. IOW, streaming music from iTunes to the Airport Express (AirTunes) works fine with that port closed. Controlling the Airport Express (or AirTunes ... which one do I call it? ) from iTunes works fine with that port close. But what if the control was going the other way? What if the Airport Express (AirTunes) was controlling iTunes? For instance, if there was some sort of remote control that communicates directly with AirTunes (Airport Express) which then sent the appropriate signals along to iTunes over the wireless network ... over port 3689 ... in order to tell iTunes to Play, Pause, Skip, FF, REW, etc.?

OAW

[MrBS]

I don't like how they're turning iTunes into the iPod front end instead of just a music program that iPods can hook into. But I guess they kind of have to for the pc kids. I say they've had enough of a free ride with iPod and iTunes... still plenty of reason to buy an iPod. If they want to get into cool phototricks thats when you point them at the new shiny imac or ibook.

~BS

[OAW]

Originally posted by jocker:
Exactly!!

What will this remote control look like... it would need a colour screen to show album artwork. And it obviously transmits over TCP/IP which means 802.11g. Touchscreen too?

Oooohhh lets speculate!

Perhaps something like this ....

http://www.sonos.com/products/controller/

I'm surprised Apple hasn't sued these guys over the scrollwheel control. But this is something along the line of what I would expect Apple to do. Perhaps a bit too big since I would think anything from Apple would allow for single-handed control.

OAW

[threestain]

Does it do anything of note though?

[ccrider]

Hymn stills works after update of qt and itunes with newly purchased music.
FYI

[TETENAL]

You can now get "Artist Alert"s. I'm not sure whether that is a feature of the store or of iTunes 4.7.

[kman42]

Originally posted by TETENAL:
You can now get "Artist Alert"s. I'm not sure whether that is a feature of the store or of iTunes 4.7.

Any idea how?

[ManOfSteal]

Originally posted by kman42:
Any idea how?

You need to hit your iTMS "Account" name when accessing the iTMS...that will prompt you with a new area to "Manage Artist Alerts"...

[TETENAL]

Originally posted by kman42:
Any idea how?

Yes, if you are viewing an artist's main site in the iTMS, it now has a link "Artist Alert NEW". Click this link and you will be alerted of updates for this artist.

[Langdon]

So we know it killed the iPoddownload plugin with 4.7 but did they also strike back at Real's Harmony and disable it?
Anyone figure it out yet.

[jocker]

Originally posted by OAW:
Perhaps something like this ....

http://www.sonos.com/products/controller/

I'm surprised Apple hasn't sued these guys over the scrollwheel control. But this is something along the line of what I would expect Apple to do. Perhaps a bit too big since I would think anything from Apple would allow for single-handed control.

OAW

Yes that is precisely something i imagined.. but as you say, it is a little too big.

Thanks, by the way, for trying to help me make the point regarding the AirTunes remote control.

[Gee4orce]

Originally posted by mitchell_pgh:
Sorry, that does not feed into my Apple elitist pipe dream so it must be incorrect

But the firewall wouldn't block outgoing data - such as music being streamed to an Airport, it's there to block incoming requests. There's no need to open port 80 on your firewall if you want to browse the web, for instance. This does suggest to me that there is a remote control in the works.

...unlesss the Airport has to register itself back with the host Mac or something, and an open port is required to do this ?

[3R1C]

This may be the first time I've discovered a change before others have.

In previous versions of iTunes, you were able to prefix script name titles with a dash. As in '---my script.scpt'. This was usefull because it allowed sorting of scripts in the iTunes menu. What was cool about it was that iTunes didnt print the dashes in the script menu. So you got a nice neat ordered-as-ya-dig-it script menu.

With this new version, iTunes is now displaying the dashes. weeeeaaaaakkkkk.

[Axel]

Originally posted by Gee4orce:
But the firewall wouldn't block outgoing data - such as music being streamed to an Airport, it's there to block incoming requests. There's no need to open port 80 on your firewall if you want to browse the web, for instance. This does suggest to me that there is a remote control in the works.

...unlesss the Airport has to register itself back with the host Mac or something, and an open port is required to do this ?

A good way to check this would be to ask someone with an Airport Express Station to use it with iTunes while running a network packet analyzer like Ethereal. That way we could see if there's any communication with the station on port 3689.

[Axel]

A guy from the MacBidouille forums told me that Keyspan would soon ship a Remote Control for Airport Express. Check out the first link on this Google search. Apparently the product was on a switz online shop but has been removed very recently.

[proton]

iTunes 4.7 has begun advertising a new protocol over Rendezvous (if you've got "Look for remote speakers connected with AirTunes" enabled):

_dacp._tcp.

Presumably this is related to the remote control. Note that iTunes sharing is _daap._tcp. (Digital Audio Access Protocol), dacp would seem to stand for Digital Audio Control Protocol.

- proton

[kman42]

Originally posted by proton:
iTunes 4.7 has begun advertising a new protocol over Rendezvous (if you've got "Look for remote speakers connected with AirTunes" enabled):

_dacp._tcp.

Presumably this is related to the remote control. Note that iTunes sharing is _daap._tcp. (Digital Audio Access Protocol), dacp would seem to stand for Digital Audio Control Protocol.

- proton

You're a regular Sherlock Holmes.

[siMac]

I for one am disappointed that I still can't use Party Mix with the tunes on my iPod (which is where I keep 'em), meaning this feature is still of no use to me.

I encourage anyone who feels the same way to send feedback to Apple about this, not just for people in my situation, but for people who want to DJ at a friends party for instance - they could bring their iPod, plug it into their friend's Mac and use Party Mix.

http://www.apple.com/feedback/itunes.html

[Geobunny]

I now can't buy music any more with version 4.7. This strikes me as ever so slightly counter-productive, no?! Maybe something odd and specific to my computer, but it worked fine last week and the only change has been 4.6 to 4.7.

FWIW, I've got the preference set to add stuff to a shopping cart - it helps to curb my spending!!!

[Geobunny]

Never mind. In the 5 minutes it took me to get into MacNN, read the thread and reply, the ITMS sorted itself.

Move along now, nothing to see here.

[OAW]

Originally posted by siMac:
I for one am disappointed that I still can't use Party Mix with the tunes on my iPod (which is where I keep 'em), meaning this feature is still of no use to me.

I encourage anyone who feels the same way to send feedback to Apple about this, not just for people in my situation, but for people who want to DJ at a friends party for instance - they could bring their iPod, plug it into their friend's Mac and use Party Mix.

http://www.apple.com/feedback/itunes.html

I have a similar issue with Party Mix ....

I have my music library on my iMac in the basement. The home theater is upstairs in the living room. I use my PowerBook to access the iMac's music library via iTunes Music Sharing ... and then stream the sound to the home theater with Airport Express. Since there is currently no remote for the Airport Express I have to use my laptop as one. Which brings me to my complaint about the Party Mix. It only allows you to include playlists and songs from the local computer. It doesn't allow you to include music that is shared from another Mac. So this is the only iTunes feature that doesn't work with my setup. Simply put ... this sucks! I too encourage feedback to Apple about this.

OAW

[Geobunny]

Originally posted by OAW:
I have a similar issue with Party Mix ....

I have my music library on my iMac in the basement. The home theater is upstairs in the living room. I use my PowerBook to access the iMac's music library via iTunes Music Sharing ... and then stream the sound to the home theater with Airport Express. Since there is currently no remote for the Airport Express I have to use my laptop as one. Which brings me to my complaint about the Party Mix. It only allows you to include playlists and songs from the local computer. It doesn't allow you to include music that is shared from another Mac. So this is the only iTunes feature that doesn't work with my setup. Simply put ... this sucks! I too encourage feedback to Apple about this.

OAW

Can't you just set your library to "shuffle" and hit "play"? That's what I do with the exact same setup (well, nearly the same...my library is on a G4 in my bedroom but I doubt that would make any difference! )

[OAW]

Originally posted by Geobunny:
Can't you just set your library to "shuffle" and hit "play"? That's what I do with the exact same setup (well, nearly the same...my library is on a G4 in my bedroom but I doubt that would make any difference! )

Yeah. The only problem is that when I do that it only includes the handful of songs in the local PowerBook library. The songs on the shared iMac library are not included. Maybe I'm doing something wrong. I'm open to suggestions!

OAW

[Geobunny]

Originally posted by OAW:
Yeah. The only problem is that when I do that it only includes the handful of songs in the local PowerBook library. The songs on the shared iMac library are not included. Maybe I'm doing something wrong. I'm open to suggestions!

OAW

Odd, if that's the case, then there's something wrong. I've just checked again and my powerbook definitely shuffles my main library. I'll go through my exact steps, maybe you can spot something I'm doing differently...

Prefs on main library computer (Mark's music)

• Share my music [on]
• Share my entire library [on]
• Require password [on] [•••••••••]

Steps on powerbook

• Look for shared music
• Connect to Mark's music
• Enter password and set it to save
• Flip the disclosure triangle down to see all playlists available in "Mark's music"
• Leave Mark's music selected
• Turn on "shuffle"
• Hit space bar to start playing

Hope that works.

[OAW]

Originally posted by Geobunny:
Odd, if that's the case, then there's something wrong. I've just checked again and my powerbook definitely shuffles my main library. I'll go through my exact steps, maybe you can spot something I'm doing differently...

Prefs on main library computer (Mark's music)

• Share my music [on]
• Share my entire library [on]
• Require password [on] [•••••••••]

Steps on powerbook

• Look for shared music
• Connect to Mark's music
• Enter password and set it to save
• Flip the disclosure triangle down to see all playlists available in "Mark's music"
• Leave Mark's music selected
• Turn on "shuffle"
• Hit space bar to start playing

Hope that works.

I see what you are saying now. I can access the library on my iMac from the PowerBook just fine. I can set it to shuffle and let it rip. I do that all the time. The issue is that the Party Shuffle feature doesn't work with a shared library. It's not the end of the world .. but it would be nice to be able to use that feature with this setup.

OAW

[Geobunny]

Originally posted by OAW:
The issue is that the Party Shuffle feature doesn't work with a shared library. It's not the end of the world .. but it would be nice to be able to use that feature with this setup.

Yeah, that much I understand. I was just offering an alternative - I guess I'm a wee bit behind here! I have to say, I don't really get the whole "party shuffle" thing. What's the big deal? I don't see the difference between doing that and just shuffling the main library. The only difference (AFAICS) is that you get to see which songs are coming up, but let's face it, if you're having a party, are you honestly going to be sitting there watching the powerbook's screen?!

Anyway, that isn't the issue. It's a feature which should be available.

Just thought of another alternative. How about using a smart playlist? They work over rendezvous sharing and you can see the play order too.

[Jwylie]

WIth iTunes 4.7, apple made it so gettunes and ourtunes won't work, does anybody know if there is anyway around that or if you can go back to iTunes 4.6? Thanks

[Mac Write]

The port 3689 thing and AirTunes remote is regarding Airtunes being able to communicate with iTunes to tell if the connection is working etc. Apple is not bringing out an AirTunes remote.