[Jay Condon]

I noticed this neat new shareware app on versiontracker for organizing bookmarks in a safari drawer. This is Zactly what safari needs, IMHO. The current way of using bookmarks in safari pretty much sucks.

Anyway, Check it out here http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/25170

The developer is really responsive to feedback on which way to take this product, and im hoping he gets a good response. I like this little gem.

[ManOfSteal]

Too bad this cannot do "Scrapbooking"...

[cpac]

Originally posted by Jay Condon:
I noticed this neat new shareware app on versiontracker for organizing bookmarks in a safari drawer. This is Zactly what safari needs, IMHO. The current way of using bookmarks in safari pretty much sucks.

Funny - when OmniWeb used to have them in a drawer, many people could not stand it and loved Safari's new method of doing things...

[Jay Condon]

I guess that's why we have neat shareware apps like this....different strokes and all

[CharlesS]

Originally posted by cpac:
Funny - when OmniWeb used to have them in a drawer, many people could not stand it and loved Safari's new method of doing things...

Yet having the bookmarks in a drawer was one of my favorite OmniWeb features... and then they removed it.

Oh well, Shiira now has the bookmarks in a drawer feature. Too bad they had to stuff downloads in there too - now it's kind of crowded IMO.

[Spirit_VW]

I dunno, I like the iTunes style bookmarks better.

[Jay Condon]

Maybe I'm missing something....but isn't it annoying to try to browse through your bookmarks, and keep having to switch back and forth between the bookmarks pane and the tab or window showing your links?

With a drawer, both the bookmarks and the site your viewing stay visible without having to switch between them or having mulriple safari windows open.

[cpac]

Originally posted by Jay Condon:
Maybe I'm missing something....but isn't it annoying to try to browse through your bookmarks, and keep having to switch back and forth between the bookmarks pane and the tab or window showing your links?

With a drawer, both the bookmarks and the site your viewing stay visible without having to switch between them or having mulriple safari windows open.

sure - other people would say it's annoying to have to have a drawer open to see your bookmarks when you want to open your browser window to full-screen. There's also the problem that you can see very little of the bookmark title in a drawer as compared to the iTunes-like interface, still others will tell you to just use the favorites/bookmark bar.

The bottom line is that there are advantages and disadvantages to both - and following OmniWeb's initial use of the drawer, Safari's huge success with the iTunes-like screen pushed OmniWeb and Camino (and FireFox?) into using something similar. But if you enjoy the drawer - by all means, enjoy the plug-in.

[theJoKell]

There's also the problem that drawers suck ass.

[Jay Condon]

To each their own. You think drawers suck ass, I think having to click four times and navigate through the drop down sheet to save a new bookmark sucks ass....at least it sucks ass more than simply dragging and dropping it right where you want it.

[Mike S.]

Originally posted by Jay Condon:
I think having to click four times and navigate through the drop down sheet to save a new bookmark sucks ass....at least it sucks ass more than simply dragging and dropping it right where you want it.

Then don't; in OmniWeb grab the little favicon in the URL bar, drag it to the bookmarks button on the toolbar and it'll spring open like a Finder window

[Jay Condon]

Sure, in Omniweb. But not in Safari. Dragging onto a bookmarks folder won't make the folder spring open, either.

There's a lot of browsers out there with a lot of different benefits to each. Omniwebs tabs are the balls, and the functionallity of a drawer can be had for free in Shirra. And firefox is faster than them all (when it isn't crashing). And if you want to use a different browser everyday, theres even a half dozen programs that can consolidate all your bookmarks and stick em in the menubar if you want to.

I didn't want to get into our own "browser wars" here about what sucks ass and what is cool in each browser. I just found the drawer handy, and where Safari is my default browser (like most mac users), I thought others might find it handy too. It's a first time offering from a small developer (and no, I aint him), and I'd hate to see it get overlooked and abandoned in the versiontracker shuffle.

Shirra's a great browser, too, and I use it from time to time, but I never would have found about it if I hadn't stumbled upon it in message boards. I just wanted to point out this neat little app for those that might find it useful.

[Millennium]

Bookmarking in Safari really isn't any different from the system used in any other Web browser, except that the interface is less intuitive. They've slapped an iTunes-style relational UI on a traditional hierarchical system, and the results aren't really very good.

This said, I wrote one of the first Safari bookmark converters way back in The Day (Camino -> Safari, actually), and the file format certainly looked as though there had originally been plans to go with a true relational bookmark model, not unlike what iTunes does for audio. I don't understand why this was scrapped, as a truly relational bookmark system would be awesome. However, it was scrapped, and we ended up with the hierarchical-with-a-relational-UI system we now know.

Safari's bookmark system would be great, if it actually matched the style that the UI suggests. Right now it fails to do that, but this may not always be the case. We know that SQLite is being integrated with the OS for Tiger (I'm not sure if this will become the new "CoreData" framework, but it certainly could), and this would make creating such a bookmark system much simpler. Perhaps Safari 2.0 will have it?

[Millennium]

Originally posted by manofsteal:
Too bad this cannot do "Scrapbooking"...

I don't understand; what do you mean? I've never heard the term "scrapbooking" applied to Web bookmarks before; what does it involve?

[cpac]

Originally posted by Millennium:
I don't understand; what do you mean? I've never heard the term "scrapbooking" applied to Web bookmarks before; what does it involve?

He doesn't mean scrapbooking that way - he meant the IE feature of archiving a web page into a single, local file.

It seems various unreleased builds of Safari have had similar features, but it hasn't made it out in a public version yet.

[Tick]

Shiira has this already, for free. It also has Growl support, and a developer who will implement good things in his app if you suggest good things to him.

[Severed Hand of Skywalker]

Dear lord I hate drawers! I am so happy they are going to be gone from MAIL.

[theJoKell]

Originally posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker:
Dear lord I hate drawers! I am so happy they are going to be gone from MAIL.

Damn straight.

[xMetal]

if you have firefox, do a google search for "firefox scrapbook extension".

this is an awesome little extension that saves a local copy of your page, and then lets you edit it right in thr browser (basic delete functions to get rid of unwanted stuff, highlight etc). It saves a nice clean folder with all the needed files.

Totally awesome for offline viewing of stuff, and it can do some other fancy things if you play with it.

And with some of the other extensions (Web Developer comes to mind) FIrefox can't be beat for most uses.

[angelmb]

Originally posted by cpac:
He doesn't mean scrapbooking that way - he meant the IE feature of archiving a web page into a single, local file.

Explorer way to do it was the typical propietary format, I use iCab to save those web pages I want, just once zip file containing all the needed stuff.Can't wait to iCab 3.0 !

[bborofka]

Is it just me, or do Bookmarks seem like a concept that needs to be updated? I have all these bookmarks, tucked away in folders, but I never seem to you use them. I usually just end up typing the address of the place I go to. Bookmarks are generally a pain the ass. I always forget to bookmark the parent page I visit when I'm surfing, and when the menu gets so long, it becomes useless because it's too much work to go and file all those sites away in folders, and then later forget which folder you placed it in when you want to you use it.

I think it's time for "Smart Bookmarks." Some sort of intelligent, auto-bookmarking system. I want this system to keep track of the sites I visit most and bookmark those automatically. if there's a site I frequently type in the address bar, it should bookmark it. As well, a site that I only look at one time as a link from Google shouldn't be bookmarked. There should be some priority/popularity rating for how frequent and important my bookmarks are. I want to be able to rate my bookmarks and add comments to them, like I can in iTunes and iPhoto. And then I want to be able to create "Rules" for my bookmarks so that ones having to do with "Apple" would be sorted into a folder, or have another folder for my 25 most popular bookmarks.

Am I dreaming?

[Jay Condon]

Wake Up....Wake Up!!!!!

Sounds like a dream to me, but an awesome idea. I wonder if the technology used in quicksilver or launchbar that "remembers" your preferences when typing in abbreviations could be adapted for something like that.

I'll leave it to the developers to figure it out, but you may be onto something here. And of course, it would only be useful if the smart bookmarks got organized in a SILLY SUCK-ASS DRAWER!!!!

[TC]

Originally posted by bborofka:
I think it's time for "Smart Bookmarks." Some sort of intelligent, auto-bookmarking system. I want this system to keep track of the sites I visit most and bookmark those automatically. if there's a site I frequently type in the address bar, it should bookmark it. As well, a site that I only look at one time as a link from Google shouldn't be bookmarked. There should be some priority/popularity rating for how frequent and important my bookmarks are. I want to be able to rate my bookmarks and add comments to them, like I can in iTunes and iPhoto. And then I want to be able to create "Rules" for my bookmarks so that ones having to do with "Apple" would be sorted into a folder, or have another folder for my 25 most popular bookmarks.

Am I dreaming?

There is already enough info in most pages to allow them to do this automatically, meta tag keywords. Unfortunately thanks to Google not using keywords this useful meta information is being used less by web developers.
Apple should allow us to add our own keywords to bookmarks.
At least the version of Safari in Tiger does filtering of bookmarks instead of forcing you to search through all your bookmarks one by one when you do a find.

[Mike S.]

Originally posted by bborofka:
I think it's time for "Smart Bookmarks." Some sort of intelligent, auto-bookmarking system. I want this system to keep track of the sites I visit most and bookmark those automatically. if there's a site I frequently type in the address bar, it should bookmark it. As well, a site that I only look at one time as a link from Google shouldn't be bookmarked.

Doesn't a persistent History pretty much do that for you? If you frequent the site all the time then it's always in history and with auto complete in the URL field you need only start typing the name and it'll appear.

I think the problem with auto-bookmarks is privacy; in a time where people get programs to cover their tracks, delete history, cookies, etc.. I would think the last thing they want is their browser automagically adding bookmarks to sites they frequent in secret.

OmniWeb does have the beginnings of a smart system, it has a "most visited" category in it's bookmarks that is auto generated.

There should be some priority/popularity rating for how frequent and important my bookmarks are. I want to be able to rate my bookmarks and add comments to them, like I can in iTunes and iPhoto. And then I want to be able to create "Rules" for my bookmarks so that ones having to do with "Apple" would be sorted into a folder, or have another folder for my 25 most popular bookmarks.

The spotlight technologies built into Tiger will allow all app developers to add this kind of feature into their products so I imagine you'll get your wish sooner than you might think.

[Millennium]

Originally posted by TC:
There is already enough info in most pages to allow them to do this automatically, meta tag keywords. Unfortunately thanks to Google not using keywords this useful meta information is being used less by web developers.

Meta tag keywords aren't useful anymore. They used to be quite useful, but their abuse by "search-engine optimizers" (read: search-engine spammers) has ensured that they're no longer a reliable source of information about the page. This is why Google stopped using them.

[Tick]

This might be a good direction for bookmarks: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=270060

[Randman]

Originally posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker:
Dear lord I hate drawers! I am so happy they are going to be gone from MAIL.

Ditto.