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Ok. I've got a question.
I loaded my Gmail account for the first time ever on a Windows machine last weekend at my grandfather's house. It worked exactly the same (of course) but the buttons (archive & report spam on my default page) looked like Windows XP buttons! Why? On my Mac they look like square grey buttons, a style I thought was intended to match older versions of Windows. If XP renders buttons that match the UI, why doesn't Safari render Aqua style buttons? Why does Firefox match Safari's rendering? Where did the pretty (you know what I mean) XP buttons come from?
I'm sad to realize Mac users are getting a worse UI. Is it Google? Or Apple? And why?
-poocat.
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Originally posted by poocat:
Ok. I've got a question.
I loaded my Gmail account for the first time ever on a Windows machine last weekend at my grandfather's house. It worked exactly the same (of course) but the buttons (archive & report spam on my default page) looked like Windows XP buttons! Why? On my Mac they look like square grey buttons, a style I thought was intended to match older versions of Windows. If XP renders buttons that match the UI, why doesn't Safari render Aqua style buttons? Why does Firefox match Safari's rendering? Where did the pretty (you know what I mean) XP buttons come from?
I'm sad to realize Mac users are getting a worse UI. Is it Google? Or Apple? And why?
-poocat.
It's the way Google coded the page. I would file a bug report to them about it. That this is what beta's are for 
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Apple just needs to code a way for CSS styles to be applied to Aqua buttons, then you will be happy.
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In Safari, I get the ugly grey buttons for Archive & Report Spam... but the More Actions menu is an Aqua-style menu. I applied the "Firefoxy" buttons to Firefox, and when I use it to get into my gmail account, all of the buttons are those "Firefoxy" buttons.
So if it the look of the buttons is bugging you, "Firefoxy"-ing up Firefox could help. They're not Aqua-style widgets, but they're certainly better than the clunky cross-platform ones that Firefox uses by default (in my opinion, anyway).
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It's true, I noticed the pull-down menu and it's aqua freshness, but didn't include it in the o.p. because... who knows.
So what's the consensus? Is this something that should be reported to Google or to Apple (not that either of them doesn't know about it, but in hopes of adding more voices)? Hmm.
Thanks for the replies. Yahoo mail uses those horrible buttons too. Cross-platform? Looks like Win95 to me.
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Originally posted by Krypton:
Apple just needs to code a way for CSS styles to be applied to Aqua buttons, then you will be happy.
No, they shouldn't do that. A web site should have no control over how OS interface widgets are displayed!
(IIRC it's not in the official CSS spec either.)
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It should. It makes the page look as intended.
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Originally posted by F_Elz:
It should. It makes the page look as intended.
The debate's been played out on this thread - and it didn't persuade me to change my mind 
IMO, user interface consistency is far more important than preventing a designer having a hissy fit because his precious pixels are sullied by things he can't control. Apple put a heck of a lot of research into their user interface design. So (I expect) did Microsoft - but Fred Bloggs' website for his used car company did not have that much (or any!) research, usability testing, etc, before its look was decided on.
So why should he be able to decide the shape of the buttons and menus? The point of having standard controls is that they always look and work the same way - users then don't have to figure out if this menu will do something different because it's green instead of blue or because it's twice as large as usual.
Strangely enough, a web page doesn't exist in a vacuum, separate from the OS. A good designer can make a page that displays properly on palmtops, phones, and webTV, as well as on a computer. They all use totally different widgets, which fit in with the different ways of operating those devices, and with the look of the OS. Why on earth should the web page designer be so arrogant as to assume they know better than the people who made these devices?
Sorry, rant over.
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