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Could anyone get a PC (wireless) network card, e.g. the Sitecom WL-011 (PCMCIA) to work under a VPC environment? I tried on VPC4.x and 6.1, both with various images of Win98 and Win2000, but not a chance. The hardware is simply not recognized, so Windows driver installation seems to go nowhere... I guess the Linux drivers won't work?
Years ago I got something similar to work in a quite complicated Token-Ring environment.
Any ideas on this?
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What are you trying to do? Does the Mac OS recognize the card? If so, does Virtual PC's virtual networking not work for some reason? It should pick up your Mac's network connection without having to worry about what kind of interface card you are using.
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Originally posted by macmike42:
What are you trying to do? Does the Mac OS recognize the card? If so, does Virtual PC's virtual networking not work for some reason? It should pick up your Mac's network connection without having to worry about what kind of interface card you are using.
As I said, it's a Windows card (i.e. no Apple drivers), so no chance to use the card via MacOS, so no chance to hook up VPC's Windows on the Mac networking!
I wouldn't have a problem, is this was a MacOS compatible card!
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Originally posted by Powerbook:
As I said, it's a Windows card (i.e. no Apple drivers), so no chance to use the card via MacOS, so no chance to hook up VPC's Windows on the Mac networking!
I wouldn't have a problem, is this was a MacOS compatible card!
It's not going to work. Ever. VPC always emulates a DEC 21041 ethernet card, regardless of what's connected to the Mac. Without Mac drivers, VPC will never see that card.
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Originally posted by ChrisF:
It's not going to work. Ever. VPC always emulates a DEC 21041 ethernet card, regardless of what's connected to the Mac. Without Mac drivers, VPC will never see that card.
Hmmm...
But then how was I able to connect to my former company network using a _PC-only_ Token-Ring card? It worked perfectly!
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Originally posted by Powerbook:
Hmmm...
But then how was I able to connect to my former company network using a _PC-only_ Token-Ring card? It worked perfectly!
Without having any idea of the details of your previous installation, it's impossible to say... but with certainty, what you're trying to do now will not work.
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The only hardware VPC gains direct access to is USB devices (minus keyboards and mice). No other hardware can be accessed directly, and will require Mac drivers to work.
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Originally posted by tooki:
The only hardware VPC gains direct access to is USB devices (minus keyboards and mice). No other hardware can be accessed directly, and will require Mac drivers to work.
tooki
This probably changed over the VPC revisions (see VPC 2+3 features like Voodoo card access). I KNOW I used a PC only Token Ring card in my PCMCIA (since I have a Powerbook) with VPC3+Win98+Windows drivers to connect to my corporate network + Outlook mail server. It worked!!!
I'm really getting the impression "VPC3" is my missing component here!
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Originally posted by Powerbook:
Could anyone get a PC (wireless) network card, e.g. the Sitecom WL-011 (PCMCIA) to work under a VPC environment? I tried on VPC4.x and 6.1, both with various images of Win98 and Win2000, but not a chance. The hardware is simply not recognized, so Windows driver installation seems to go nowhere... I guess the Linux drivers won't work?
Years ago I got something similar to work in a quite complicated Token-Ring environment.
Any ideas on this?
Best regards,
PB.
The Sitecom WL-011 should be compatible with Mac OS X with the ATMEL drivers from:
http://www.wardrivers.be/files/softw...AtmelSetup.sit
A manual for another card that uses the same driver can be found here:
http://www.aincomm.com.tw/download/mac_manual_eng.pdf
When you install the drivers, you have to choose the PCMCIA instead of USB drivers, of course (the manual describes a USB adapter with the same chipset). I think the Jaguar drivers will work in Panther, too.
If your Powerbook doesn't recognize the card with these drivers, you must add the card to the list of supported cards in the info.plist file inside the drivers kernel extension. If you don't know how to do this, post here again.
If the driver doesn't work without patching, you can also try this alternative open source driver first - maybe it will work immediately without patching.
http://www.russotto.net/~russotto/atmelx.html
As soon as the card works in OS X, it will work in VPC, too, of course.
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Originally posted by Powerbook:
This probably changed over the VPC revisions (see VPC 2+3 features like Voodoo card access). I KNOW I used a PC only Token Ring card in my PCMCIA (since I have a Powerbook) with VPC3+Win98+Windows drivers to connect to my corporate network + Outlook mail server. It worked!!!
I'm really getting the impression "VPC3" is my missing component here!
PB.
Yeah, I even used the Voodoo passthrough. But I don't think it's done anything like that for many versions.
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Originally posted by Tsilou B.:
The Sitecom WL-011 should be compatible with Mac OS X with the ATMEL drivers from:
http://www.wardrivers.be/files/softw...AtmelSetup.sit
A manual for another card that uses the same driver can be found here:
http://www.aincomm.com.tw/download/mac_manual_eng.pdf
When you install the drivers, you have to choose the PCMCIA instead of USB drivers, of course (the manual describes a USB adapter with the same chipset). I think the Jaguar drivers will work in Panther, too.
If your Powerbook doesn't recognize the card with these drivers, you must add the card to the list of supported cards in the info.plist file inside the drivers kernel extension. If you don't know how to do this, post here again.
If the driver doesn't work without patching, you can also try this alternative open source driver first - maybe it will work immediately without patching.
http://www.russotto.net/~russotto/atmelx.html
As soon as the card works in OS X, it will work in VPC, too, of course.
Did it work? 
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I think the best option is to find a hardware solution that works in OSX and then use Internet Sharing to make the wireless link available to the internal ethernet - so VPC thinks it's connecting to the outside world via the DEC ethernet connection it emulates, but in fact OSX is connecting that to the WiFi link....
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Originally posted by zzarg:
I think the best option is to find a hardware solution that works in OSX and then use Internet Sharing to make the wireless link available to the internal ethernet - so VPC thinks it's connecting to the outside world via the DEC ethernet connection it emulates, but in fact OSX is connecting that to the WiFi link....
It's not necessary to enable internet sharing on the Mac. VPC finds the active TCP/IP connection itself and pairs that with the emulated ethernet port.
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Originally posted by ChrisF:
It's not necessary to enable internet sharing on the Mac. VPC finds the active TCP/IP connection itself and pairs that with the emulated ethernet port.
I've found it works fine if you're wired, but the moment you go wireless it's much less behaved (in fact, MS say in the VPC7 documentation than connections over Airport and other 802.11b/g connections from a PowerBook / iBook are not supported) - at least with sharing enabled my VPC session is able to consistently manage an outbound internet connection on which I can piggyback a VPN connection etc....
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Originally posted by Tsilou B.:
Did it work?
No! Damn! And I tried each and every driver from the package... 
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Originally posted by zzarg:
I think the best option is to find a hardware solution that works in OSX and then use Internet Sharing to make the wireless link available to the internal ethernet - so VPC thinks it's connecting to the outside world via the DEC ethernet connection it emulates, but in fact OSX is connecting that to the WiFi link....
Well, that's what I am trying - but neither the Sitecom PCMCIA (unofficial MacOS drivers) nor the officially MacOS supported D-Link DWL-122 WORK here on my machine. As to connecting VPC to our network, well, I'll spare you the drama. 
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Originally posted by zzarg:
I've found it works fine if you're wired, but the moment you go wireless it's much less behaved (in fact, MS say in the VPC7 documentation than connections over Airport and other 802.11b/g connections from a PowerBook / iBook are not supported) - at least with sharing enabled my VPC session is able to consistently manage an outbound internet connection on which I can piggyback a VPN connection etc....
While I have no use for VPN on Virtual PC, Airport connections in VPC 7.01 work fine. In fact, when using "Virtual Switch" you can specify that VPC is to use a specific network adapter, whether it's Airport or ethernet. Perhaps this is the problem for the original poster, assuming that the Mac token-ring drivers worked.
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I've been able to patch Apple's Airport drivers to work with unsupported cards. I got my Dad's Lombard to work with a Microsoft 802.11g card that is officially not supported.
It's hard to explain online. Maybe I'll write an app to patch the drivers. Either that or I'll try to explain how to do it.
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Originally posted by goMac:
I've been able to patch Apple's Airport drivers to work with unsupported cards. I got my Dad's Lombard to work with a Microsoft 802.11g card that is officially not supported.
It's hard to explain online. Maybe I'll write an app to patch the drivers. Either that or I'll try to explain how to do it.
Please do so!! I'd rather not buy a (now) totally overpriced Airport card for my old Powerbook...
PB.
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Originally posted by Powerbook:
Please do so!! I'd rather not buy a (now) totally overpriced Airport card for my old Powerbook...
PB.
Please post the vendor, device and revision ids of your PCMCIA card. You can find them in the Apple System Profiler.
Edit: I just switched the language of my Mac from German to English in order to see what the correct translations for "Hersteller-ID", "Geräte-ID" and "Version" are, only to see now that you're from Germany...
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Originally posted by Tsilou B.:
Please post the vendor, device and revision ids of your PCMCIA card. You can find them in the Apple System Profiler.
Edit: I just switched the language of my Mac from German to English in order to see what the correct translations for "Hersteller-ID", "Geräte-ID" and "Version" are, only to see now that you're from Germany...
That would be:
Steckplatz PC Card
PCI Steckplatz
Kartentyp: cardbus
Kartenname: cardbus
Kartenmodell: TXN,PCI1211-00
Card ROM #: Nicht verfügbar
Kartenrevision: 0
Kartenhersteller-ID: 104C
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Originally posted by Powerbook:
That would be:
Steckplatz PC Card
PCI Steckplatz
Kartentyp: cardbus
Kartenname: cardbus
Kartenmodell: TXN,PCI1211-00
Card ROM #: Nicht verfügbar
Kartenrevision: 0
Kartenhersteller-ID: 104C
That hasn't worked properly. Could you open a terminal, resize the window so that it's really large and run "ioreg -l" while the card is inserted? ("l" is a small L, no 1) You will get a really long list. Post the complete part that deals with your PC card. I'll try to send you a patched driver.
Another recommendable idea would be to buy a Airport Extreme compatible card (Broadcom 802.11g chipsatz), e.g. this one:
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...1&tc=photo
It's a lot cheaper than the original Airport Card from Apple and it supports 54Mbit/s instead of just 11Mbit/s. You just have to install the current Airport software through software update and insert the card - Mac OS X detects it as a genuine Airport Extreme card.
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Originally posted by Tsilou B.:
That hasn't worked properly. Could you open a terminal, resize the window so that it's really large and run "ioreg -l" while the card is inserted? ("l" is a small L, no 1) You will get a really long list. Post the complete part that deals with your PC card. I'll try to send you a patched driver.
Another recommendable idea would be to buy a Airport Extreme compatible card (Broadcom 802.11g chipsatz), e.g. this one:
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...1&tc=photo
It's a lot cheaper than the original Airport Card from Apple and it supports 54Mbit/s instead of just 11Mbit/s. You just have to install the current Airport software through software update and insert the card - Mac OS X detects it as a genuine Airport Extreme card.
Alright - Terminal gave me this (hope that's all):
Would be coll, to get this very card to work, since I'd like to avoid buying new hardware, when the machine is about to be replaced.
PB.
cardbus@1A <class IOPCIDevice, registered, matched, active, busy 0, retain count 10$
| | | {
| | | "vendor-id" = <0000104c>
| | | "device-id" = <0000ac1e>
| | | "cntl-ind-caps" = <00000000>
| | | "interrupt-routing" = <00000000>
| | | "#address-cells" = <00000003>
| | | "#size-cells" = <00000002>
| | | "reserved-segment" = <90000000>
| | | "#socket" = <00000001>
| | | "IOPMPCIConfigSpaceVolatile" = No
| | | "AAPL,phandle" = <ff938670>
| | | "reg" = <0000d000000000000000000000000000000000000200d0100 000000000000000000000000$
| | | "#windows" = <00000007>
| | | "interrupt-map" = <00000000000000000000000000000001ff9098780000d0000 00000000000000$
| | | "IOInterruptSpecifiers" = (<0000003a00000001>)
| | | "AAPL,slot-name" = <"PC Card">
| | | "AAPL,zoomed-video" = <>
| | | "interrupt-map-mask" = <00001800000000000000000000000007>
| | | "ranges" = <8200000000000000900000008200000000000000900000000 000000010000000810000$
| | | "class-code" = <00060700>
| | | "devsel-speed" = <00000001>
| | | "status-change-report-caps" = <000000f0>
| | | "slot-names" = <00000000>
| | | "revision-id" = <00000000>
| | | "#interrupt-cells" = <00000001>
| | | "Power Management private data" = "{ this object = 0158ff80, interested driver = 0$
| | | "compatible" = <"ti1210","pci104c,ac1a","cardbus-bridge">
| | | "status-change-int-caps" = <000000f0>
| | | "name" = <"cardbus">
| | | "#sockets" = <00000001>
| | | "IOInterruptControllers" = ("IOInterruptControllerFF90FB28")
| | | "Power Management protected data" = "{ theNumberOfPowerStates = 3, version 1, powe$
| | | "interrupts" = <00000001>
| | | "release-level" = <000007cb>
| | | "vcc-levels" = <000000040000070000000703000007050000030c>
| | | "device_type" = <"cardbus">
| | | "adapter-caps" = <00000000>
| | | "model" = <"TXN,PCI1211-00">
| | | "cardcode" = <12180001>
| | | "IODeviceMemory" = ({"offset"=36880,"parent"=({"address"=184467440734 74670592,"len$
| | | "assigned-addresses" = <8100d044000000000000901000000000000000048100d0980 000000000$
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Btw, is there a possibility that you can patch me an OS9 driver? Since only under OS9 VPC gives me a decent speed!
Regards,
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Originally posted by Powerbook:
Btw, is there a possibility that you can patch me an OS9 driver? Since only under OS9 VPC gives me a decent speed!
Regards,
PB.
I'm sorry, but there is no OS 9 driver available for the chipset your card is using. I won't be able to patch an OS X driver, either, because it looks like your Powerbook does not even detect the card - I have no idea why that is.
If I were you, I'd buy a "Elsa Vianect MC-11" or "Elsa Airlancer MC-11" from ebay.de. You should be able to get one for less than 30 Euros. These two cards work fine in OS X with the driver from http://wirelessdriver.sourceforge.net/ and you can get a great official OS 8.6-9.x driver here: http://www.proxim.com/support/all/or...r72_macos.html
Both Elsa cards are indentical in construction with the Lucent Orinoco Gold cards and if you stress that when you resell it on ebay after buying a new laptop, you will probably make a profit - the Orinoco cards are in great demand and are sold for about 50 Euros.
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Originally posted by Tsilou B.:
I'm sorry, but there is no OS 9 driver available for the chipset your card is using. I won't be able to patch an OS X driver, either, because it looks like your Powerbook does not even detect the card - I have no idea why that is.
If I were you, I'd buy a "Elsa Vianect MC-11" or "Elsa Airlancer MC-11" from ebay.de. You should be able to get one for less than 30 Euros. These two cards work fine in OS X with the driver from http://wirelessdriver.sourceforge.net/ and you can get a great official OS 8.6-9.x driver here: http://www.proxim.com/support/all/or...r72_macos.html
Both Elsa cards are indentical in construction with the Lucent Orinoco Gold cards and if you stress that when you resell it on ebay after buying a new laptop, you will probably make a profit - the Orinoco cards are in great demand and are sold for about 50 Euros.
Hallo Tsilou,
Danke für Deine Mühe! I just ordered a cheap original Airport card from Wegener Media. But I will also have an eye on the PC cards you mentioned.
Regards,
PB.
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