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Krypton · May 9, 2005, 12:29 PM

Go go incremental updates!

(Versiontracker has it listed, may be on SU but not on Apple's site yet).

TETENAL · May 9, 2005, 12:31 PM

What about 5? All iLife applications are version 5 by now.

Krypton · May 9, 2005, 12:33 PM

Maybe someone was having a laugh, I can't find it - and SU is borked again

Stradlater · May 9, 2005, 12:33 PM

What's new?

Stradlater · May 9, 2005, 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by Krypton

Maybe someone was having a laugh, I can't find it - and SU is borked again

http://www.apple.com/itunes/download/

("New 4.8")

Krypton · May 9, 2005, 12:36 PM

Ok, Apple's site says 4.7.1 but when you download it, it is in fact 4.8.

Krypton · May 9, 2005, 12:38 PM

Originally Posted by Stradlater

http://www.apple.com/itunes/download/

("New 4.8")

Damn you University proxy server!!!

TETENAL · May 9, 2005, 12:38 PM

What's new?

OwlBoy · May 9, 2005, 12:44 PM

Dunno what its for yet. Don't work on trailers in the store.

-Owl

Krypton · May 9, 2005, 12:44 PM

New features:

1. iTunes now organises Video - open a quicktime movie, will play in the artwork pane, or you can press the fullscreen button (bottom of the window next to add playlist etc).

2. The script menu has the updated icon.

All I've found so far

mdc · May 9, 2005, 12:46 PM

it plays movies in the album cover window.
there is now a new button near the new playlist buttons which will make movies fullscreen.

itunes movie store? who knows.

OwlBoy · May 9, 2005, 12:47 PM

holy ****

http://www.owlboy.com/forums/itunesvideo.jpg

http://www.owlboy.com/forums/itunesvideo2.jpg

Thats my video from http://owlboy.com/blog/?p=28 btw.

-Owl

Krypton · May 9, 2005, 12:47 PM

The delete files from Library dialogue has much more explicit wording now too.

OwlBoy · May 9, 2005, 12:52 PM

It don't accept .avi files in your library.

-Owl

jokell82 · May 9, 2005, 01:06 PM

And it appears mpgs will not play either, although they will add to your library.

So maybe .mov's only for now? Maybe mp4s too (I didn't test one of those)?

Busemann · May 9, 2005, 01:09 PM

Why can't they spend resources on something useful, such as gapless playback and AAC VBR encoding? Now they're just bloating it

Krypton · May 9, 2005, 01:11 PM

Supposedly the big feature is the ability to sync contacts and calendars through iTunes.

The .rsrc file doesn't contain any new iPods though

OwlBoy · May 9, 2005, 01:12 PM

What's new in iTunes 4.8

Using iTunes 4.8 you can:

Transfer contacts and calendars to your iPod or iPod mini
If you have Mac OS X version 10.4 or later, you can use iTunes to transfer the contact and calendar information on your computer to your iPod or iPod mini.
Learn more

See new features in the Music Store
For more information, visit www.apple.com/itunes.

Thats from Apple Help.

-Owl

mitchell_pgh · May 9, 2005, 01:12 PM

Originally Posted by Busemann

Why can't they spend resources on something useful, such as gapless playback and AAC VBR encoding? Now they're just bloating it

Ha... you don't think adding video to iTunes id a big deal?

OwlBoy · May 9, 2005, 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by mitchell_pgh

Ha... you don't think adding video to iTunes id a big deal?

Specially if "See new features in the Music Store For more information, visit www.apple.com/itunes." means downloadable video.

-Owl

Stradlater · May 9, 2005, 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by mitchell_pgh

Ha... you don't think adding video to iTunes id a big deal?

Personally, I don't care to use iTunes as a movie player. It might be handy to add music videos...but honestly!

TETENAL · May 9, 2005, 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by Krypton

1. iTunes now organises Video - open a quicktime movie, will play in the artwork pane, or you can press the fullscreen button (bottom of the window next to add playlist etc).

So let me get this straight: If you go through the trouble to add a movie to your iTunes library, you can go fullscreen. But if you just play it in QuickTime Player they charge you $29 for the feature? How does that make sense?

OwlBoy · May 9, 2005, 01:18 PM

Originally Posted by TETENAL

So let me get this straight: If you go through the trouble to add a movie to your iTunes library, you can go fullscreen. But if you just play it in QuickTime Player they charge you $29 for the feature? How does that make sense?

lets not cry about quicktime pro here.

-Owl

willed · May 9, 2005, 01:20 PM

This points towards Big Things.

I always thought Apple should integrate a movie manager with iPhoto, or make a standalone app. The only reason I can see for integrating movies with iTunes is if they are planning a movie store through iTunes. Interesting.

OwlBoy · 02:12 PM

How to crash iTunes 4.8:

� Start playing a video in fullscreen
� Invoke Expos�
� select a window other than the one displaying the video.

Either iTunes will crash, or it will beachball on you. Sometimes it exits from fullscreen fine.

Larger the file, the more likely it will crash it seems.

-Owl

Stradlater · May 9, 2005, 01:23 PM

Originally Posted by OwlBoy

lets not cry about quicktime pro here.

-Owl

I mean, you have to admit it's ridiculous. Let's not accept Apple's crippling here.

OwlBoy · May 9, 2005, 01:24 PM

Originally Posted by Stradlater

I mean, you have to admit it's ridiculous. Let's not accept Apple's crippling here.

I totally agree with QTPro charging for fullscreen being stupid.

But thats not the topic

-Owl

maxintosh · May 9, 2005, 01:29 PM

My guess is that this will be for music videos, not feature films.

We will find out soon though.

JHromadka · May 9, 2005, 01:30 PM

Originally Posted by Krypton

Supposedly the big feature is the ability to sync contacts and calendars through iTunes.

The .rsrc file doesn't contain any new iPods though

What's wrong with iSync?

And ten bucks says that video iPods are out by the end of the year.

Busemann · May 9, 2005, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by mitchell_pgh

Ha... you don't think adding video to iTunes id a big deal?

Well, it is not the path iTunes should take.

Stradlater · May 9, 2005, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by OwlBoy

I totally agree with QTPro charging for fullscreen being stupid.

But thats not the topic

-Owl

There is no topic.

In all seriousness, it's a valid question in the "iTunes 4.8" discussion: that is, why iTunes is becoming more of media player than QuickTime -- why a tune-playing program has more movie features than a media-player.

ThisGuy · May 9, 2005, 01:33 PM

iTunes 4.8 is the best release ever. it plays my movies and it extended the length of my penis by 2" and the girth by 1.5".

OwlBoy · May 9, 2005, 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by JHromadka

What's wrong with iSync?

One less app to worry about when you want to update your iPod.

iTunes opens automatically from many when they hook up their iPod anyway.

So now, when ever your iPod is hooked up, and when you open iTunes it updates for you.

And ten bucks says that video iPods are out by the end of the year.

I do believe I read recently apple has the rights to use some new chips that a good at video processing.

-Owl

OwlBoy · May 9, 2005, 01:35 PM

Originally Posted by Stradlater

There is no topic.

In all seriousness, it's a valid question in the "iTunes 4.8" discussion: that is, why iTunes is becoming more of media player than QuickTime -- why a tune-playing program has more movie features than a media-player.

It don't have more features. it just happens one that is in both is free in just one of the 2.

Quicktime Player has many more features to deal with video/audio.

-Owl

Stradlater · May 9, 2005, 01:36 PM

iTunes might need to change its name to

"iPod Media Center"

OwlBoy · May 9, 2005, 01:39 PM

Does iTunes play .ogg files?!?!

"iTunes-ogg.icns" is in iTunes.app/Contents/Resources/
"iTunes-wma.icns" too...

Tell me this was in the last iTunes and I will shut up about it

-Owl

Stradlater · May 9, 2005, 01:43 PM

i hope itunes is finally cocoa!

</ridiculousness>

Busemann · May 9, 2005, 01:43 PM

Originally Posted by OwlBoy

Does iTunes play .ogg files?!?!

"iTunes-ogg.icns" is in iTunes.app/Contents/Resources/
"iTunes-wma.icns" too...

Tell me this was in the last iTunes and I will shut up about it

-Owl

LOL!

They've been there since version 1.0

OwlBoy · May 9, 2005, 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by Busemann

LOL!

They've been there since version 1.0

Seriously? thats stupid!!!

-Owl

willed · May 9, 2005, 01:45 PM

iTunes is getting more and more bloated, mainly because it's the only app Apple makes for Windows. As such, it has to do all the things on windows that could be done previously with several Apple made apps on the Mac. It now syncs photos, calendars, address cards, plays movies, acts as a music store... oh and apparently you can use it as a jukebox - who knew?!

OwlBoy · May 9, 2005, 01:46 PM

Originally Posted by willed

iTunes is getting more and more bloated, mainly because it's the only app Apple makes for Windows. As such, it has to do all the things on windows that could be done previously with several Apple made apps on the Mac. It now syncs photos, calendars, address cards, plays movies, acts as a music store... oh and apparently you can use it as a jukebox - who knew?!

I would guess it don't sync contacts on a PC... no?

-Owl

willed · May 9, 2005, 01:47 PM

I was assuming that was the only reason they moved contact sync into iTunes? Otherwise what's the point? Hmm...

:dragonflypro: · May 9, 2005, 01:47 PM

iTunes 4.8 player simply plays the movie, it has no RW/FF/Pause ability like QTPro. It may do full screen, but nothing like QTPro, which incidentally is more than just FullScreen ability, for pity's sake, people.

T

ajprice · May 9, 2005, 01:48 PM

Its a cool feature!

Anyone with a colour iPod tried syncing a video yet, you never know!

jokell82 · May 9, 2005, 01:56 PM

Originally Posted by :dragonflypro:

iTunes 4.8 player simply plays the movie, it has no RW/FF/Pause ability like QTPro. It may do full screen, but nothing like QTPro, which incidentally is more than just FullScreen ability, for pity's sake, people.

T

Not true. Try clicking the video in the main window.

OAW · May 9, 2005, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by OwlBoy

How to crash iTunes 4.8:

� Start playing a video in fullscreen
� Envoke Expos�
� select a window other than the one displaying the video.

Either iTunes will crash, or it will beachball on you. Sometimes it exits from fullscreen fine.

Larger the file, the more likely it will crash it seems.

-Owl

This isn't limited to invoking Expose. I just started playing a video I downloaded ... from the ITMS no less .... in full screen mode and when I exited back to the normal window the video stopped playing and I got an endless beachball. Eventually had to force quit iTunes. It seemed to work in the Now Playing and separate window just fine. Definitely a bit of a mixed first impression.

OAW

mishakim · May 9, 2005, 02:16 PM

The video support is strange - I'd say it's only half-way thought out. For example: if you play a movie, and have it set to import things to your library, it copies the movie to your MUSIC folder. And since there are no ID3 tags, it goes in the unknown artist/unknown album folder. It seems anyone who gave it a second thought would put it in the MOVIES folder (if it weren't there already), and explicitly create an option to keep movies organized - they're much larger files to be copying as a side-effect of playing them in a particular program.

Also, the preferences has the option of playing movies in main window (just the artwork window, actually), a separate window, or full-screen, but in the main application, there's only a button for full-screen, no way to choose a separate window instead.

If the only purpose of this is to include music videos with songs, or sell them separately, this is all fine, they can go in the music folder, and playing in the artwork box is ok. But if this presages selling movies, they obviously have a lot to improve, and I'm curious why release such a partial implementation.

Chuckit · May 9, 2005, 02:17 PM

Originally Posted by OwlBoy

Does iTunes play .ogg files?!?!

"iTunes-ogg.icns" is in iTunes.app/Contents/Resources/
"iTunes-wma.icns" too...

Tell me this was in the last iTunes and I will shut up about it

They were in 4.7. I wish iTunes would play Ogg, since Tiger broke the QuickTime codec.

Krypton · May 9, 2005, 02:19 PM

I conclude, tomorrow could be the start of:

New Music-Video Tuesdays�

Busemann · May 9, 2005, 02:22 PM

I wish iTunes would play Ogg, since Tiger broke the QuickTime codec.

People are working on proper CoreAudio plug-ins for mpc, which could pave the way for Vorbis. link