[Krypton]

Talacia's Tag

This is the first one I've seen. Now, perhaps not significant in itself but I think evidence of how Cocoa apps will be ported in no time at all.

[Firefox and Mathematica obviously precede this, but you can't download either yet]

[TETENAL]

It doesn't look like this contains i386 code.

Code:
localhost:~ TETENAL$ lipo -detailed_info /Users/TETENAL/Desktop/Tag/Tag.app/Contents/MacOS/Tag 
input file /Users/TETENAL/Desktop/Tag/Tag.app/Contents/MacOS/Tag is not a fat file
Non-fat file: /Users/TETENAL/Desktop/Tag/Tag.app/Contents/MacOS/Tag is architecture: ppc

[Thinine]

Why would anyone release Universal binaries now anyway? All it does is increase the download size.

[Catfish_Man]

I agree. I've built Adium as a universal binary (well, tried to anyway. It wasn't feeling like compiling for PPC or x86 at that point), but it would be pointless to release it as one.

[Severed Hand of Skywalker]

Originally Posted by Thinine

Why would anyone release Universal binaries now anyway? All it does is increase the download size.

Cuz they want to be first.

[iOliverC]

Originally Posted by TETENAL

It doesn't look like this contains i386 code.

Code:
localhost:~ TETENAL$ lipo -detailed_info /Users/TETENAL/Desktop/Tag/Tag.app/Contents/MacOS/Tag 
input file /Users/TETENAL/Desktop/Tag/Tag.app/Contents/MacOS/Tag is not a fat file
Non-fat file: /Users/TETENAL/Desktop/Tag/Tag.app/Contents/MacOS/Tag is architecture: ppc

I haven't thought this Intel thing through, it means that Tag can't run on 10.3, so I think I'll wait a bit for actual Intel machines to appear to make it compatible , if any 10.3 users were experiencing problems with Tag 1.2.1, the new build available to download at:

http://www.talacia.com/download.php

should work fine. If it doesn't (I haven't had a chance to test it) then you can download Tag 1.2 (which works fine on 10.3 and is no different from 1.2.1, as they are Tiger fixes) at:

http://www.talacia.com/downloads/old/Tag.dmg

Thanks,
Oliver

[smeger]

Originally Posted by iOliverC

I haven't thought this Intel thing through, it means that Tag can't run on 10.3,

Binaries built using gcc 4.0 (universal binaries, in other words) are compatible with 10.3.9, but not with earlier versions of OS X. You can make a universal binary that is compatible with versions earlier than 10.3.9 by using gcc4 to compile the Intel side and gcc3.3 to compile the PPC side, and then using the 'lipo' command line tool to merge the two.

But really, there's no point in doing this today. What Steve showed at the keynote is preliminary; I assume things will change a bit before Apple ships an Intel box. Getting your code ready for Intel is good - shipping it today is pointless.

[iOliverC]

Originally Posted by smeger

Binaries built using gcc 4.0 (universal binaries, in other words) are compatible with 10.3.9, but not with earlier versions of OS X. You can make a universal binary that is compatible with versions earlier than 10.3.9 by using gcc4 to compile the Intel side and gcc3.3 to compile the PPC side, and then using the 'lipo' command line tool to merge the two.

But really, there's no point in doing this today. What Steve showed at the keynote is preliminary; I assume things will change a bit before Apple ships an Intel box. Getting your code ready for Intel is good - shipping it today is pointless.

It was actually a coincidence that the Intel announcement came, I had planned to release a small .1 to fix a crasher, so I just added Intel support without thinking .

Thanks for the advice though, I'll need it for when Intel machines are out

[Krypton]

Some more news:

• OmniGraffle 4: changed 2 lines of assembly code & recompile
• Stone iMaginator: an hours worth of work & recompile

[Horsepoo!!!]

Originally Posted by Krypton

Some more news:

• OmniGraffle 4: changed 2 lines of assembly code & recompile
• Stone iMaginator: an hours worth of work & recompile

Things are looking bright for all the Cocoa apps and Carbon apps that were built strictly with OS X in mind.

I wonder how OS 9 -> Carbon apps are faring though. In any case, MS is almost certainly going to make everyone pay for the switch from PPC to x86, so I don't feel sorry if they have a lot of work to do with Office. Adobe might have a lot of work too moving everything to Xcode.

The next MSN Messenger (if the leaked pics are to be believed) is going to be Cocoa...so I'd be surprised if they had trouble making a Universal Binary of it...especially considering they probably have the Dev Kit right now and can make sure it compiles on both as they're working on it.

While I'm talking about MS, I'd love for the MacBU team to finally kill Media Player for Mac since it's garbage, and simply release a QuickTime plugin of their movie codecs.