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Why do I seem to like Thunderbird's UI more than Firefox's?
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Can anyone tell me why I seem to like Thunderbird's UI more than Firefox's? I realize one's a mail client and the other a web browser, so please refrain from pointing out the obvious. It just seems to me that Thunderbird looks, and possibly, performs better than Firefox. Am I crazy?
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Do you use the Mozilla browser ever? Thunderbird is built on the old suite code, which I think performs better than Firefox on the Mac. I think Firefox on the Mac is a bit of a kludge. The suite has worked excellently for years now. Thunderbird benefits from the code being tweaked much longer than Firefox has even been around . 
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Hasn't firefox been around longer? Before as Firebird and before that as Phoenix (or something like that).
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Originally Posted by pliny
Do you use the Mozilla browser ever? Thunderbird is built on the old suite code, which I think performs better than Firefox on the Mac. I think Firefox on the Mac is a bit of a kludge. The suite has worked excellently for years now. Thunderbird benefits from the code being tweaked much longer than Firefox has even been around .
Wow really? I had no idea that was the case. I thought Firefox subsumed the Mozilla code base long ago - not so? I'm pretty sure I prefer Firefox to Mozilla, but I like Thunderbird better still. In fact, I like it so much, I briefly considered migrating from Mail. I thought I had gotten accustomed to Tiger Mail, but maybe I unconsciously continue to dislike it, which is why I'm so impressed with Thunderbird. Who knows?
Here's a related question: Can anyone tell me who the major contributors to the Firefox/Thunderbird project are on the Mac side? We should be making them rich. 
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Originally Posted by Big Mac
Wow really? I had no idea that was the case. I thought Firefox subsumed the Mozilla code base long ago - not so?
Well Firefox did subsume the Mozilla code, but I forget at what stage of the Mozilla suite point releases. Until then, the projects had worked off the same code, but side by side, with different interfaces.
The mozilla suite has always had a mail component. On the PC and with Mac OS9, you could always choose to install this component or not as part of the browser, but after X, you had to use the entire suite with all components, which got some people to suggest that the Moz team separate the components in the name of low bloat. Then eventually they did this, and called the stanadlone mail code, Thunderbird.
Originally Posted by dazzla
Hasn't firefox been around longer? Before as Firebird and before that as Phoenix (or something like that).
Yes, Firefox on the Mac grew out of the Phoenix Mac builds, which was a one man kludge of Phoenix on PC, that the guy made and served on his itools account. At the time the Phoenix/Firefox guys said they'd never build Firefox for X because that was Camino's territory. 
I guess my point was that the mail code is very mature, more mature than Phoenix/Firebird, though not necessarily as a standalone.
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Originally Posted by pliny
Do you use the Mozilla browser ever? Thunderbird is built on the old suite code, which I think performs better than Firefox on the Mac.
That was once true, but Thunderbird has been using the same "XUL Toolkit" (not to be confused with XUL the language, which the XUL Toolkit uses) as Firefox for a long time now.
The old Mozilla suite is still around. There are even new builds using the same Gecko 1.8 code that's going into Firefox, though the app has a new name: Seamonkey. I find it to be a bit slower than Firefox, but I still use it for development because of the JavaScript Profiler, which is quite possibly the most awesome Web development tool ever. It existed as a Firefox extension for a while, but that extension doesn't run on the 1.5 nightlies, which is a problem since I need to use it with the <canvas> tag and other things that Firefox 1.0 didn't support. Seamonkey works quite well for that.
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Originally Posted by dazzla
Hasn't firefox been around longer? Before as Firebird and before that as Phoenix (or something like that).
...and before Phoenix as Mozilla/Browser, though I'm not sure it ever got to any point-release stage under that name.
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