[SunSeeker]

While the rest of the world still has to wait 1-2 weeks, Aperture is shipping now in the US.

[nerd]

But you click on the link and it still says 1 week. I hope they ship Monday to I can have it installed on the Powerbook before I go on vacation for a week.

[Eug Wanker]

The emails began going out today. Shipped Nov. 26. I'm waiting before I order my copy though. I want to see how buggy it is, etc.

[SunSeeker]

Someone over on RobGalbraith mentioned that he had received email confirmation of shipping.

I have paid for my copy, but wil have to wait with the rest of the world

[Lee33]

Got my email yesterday saying it had shipped and provided a UPS tracking #.

[Cadaver]

My credit card was charged for it yesterday, so hopefully I'll be seeing a shipping confirmation tomorrow

[inkhead]

Cadaver will you please take pictures? Also I've heard it requires a USB dongle to work? Any truth to the rumor? And if so where can I find out more information?

[production_coordinator]

Ugh, USB dongle... that's very unMac like...

[- - e r i k - -]

They better not, the dongles were a big factor in killing Quark.

[production_coordinator]

Originally Posted by - - e r i k - -

They better not, the dongles were a big factor in killing Quark.

Quark was a big factor in killing Quark... the dongle was just another serious laps in logic (and who said Quark was dead?)

Anyway, I just don't see them going with a dongle... especially considering the software requires such high end hardware. I would think that they would rather people pirate the software, buy better hardware... and grow the user base.

Oh well... we will see soon enough.

[Weyland-Yutani]

Originally Posted by - - e r i k - -

They better not, the dongles were a big factor in killing Quark.

Many pro creative apps of the 80s and 90s used dongles instead of serial nº or other type of copy protection (such as on-line activation). Quark stopped using dongles from version 5.

Also reality disagrees with you on Quark's demise. It is very much alive today: www.quark.com

While I am no fan of dongles they don't really do anything worse than block a port. Apple is not going to lose a single customer because of a dongle. Cracked versions will appear for those of lower moral fiber as per usual.

A dongle would be a new approach for Apple. I don't think any previous Apple software has used dongles. Apple has always been a hardware company. If this app helps sell Macs then Apple will be careful not to protect it *too* much.

cheers

W-Y

[- - e r i k - -]

Quark is by far not extinct yet. But it's a rotting zombie. And dongles (remember having to switch ADB-dongles for USB-dongles?) very much fueled the hatred towards the company (along with laughable customer relations, insane upgrade pricing). Quark did A lot of things to choke itself, and the dongle is right up there with the worst. Quark might have stopped using dongles, but the users haven't forgotten about them (and the fact that many still use version 4 or even 3.32!).

[nycdunz]

please post up if you guys receive your copies today, would love some screenshots or a personal review on it.

[Mediaman_12]

Any word if it's going to be on the Mac's at the Stores? My go and check it out next weekend.

[tomrock]

I asked at the Apple store in Indianapolis on Saturday if they were going to have it on the 30th. they said no, that it wasn't "in transit". They said they'd probably have it around December 12th.

But after reading all the posts about it shipping, I don't know if I believe them.

[production_coordinator]

Originally Posted by Weyland-Yutani

Many pro creative apps of the 80s and 90s used dongles instead of serial nº or other type of copy protection (such as on-line activation). Quark stopped using dongles from version 5.

Also reality disagrees with you on Quark's demise. It is very much alive today: www.quark.com

While I am no fan of dongles they don't really do anything worse than block a port. Apple is not going to lose a single customer because of a dongle. Cracked versions will appear for those of lower moral fiber as per usual.

A dongle would be a new approach for Apple. I don't think any previous Apple software has used dongles. Apple has always been a hardware company. If this app helps sell Macs then Apple will be careful not to protect it *too* much.

cheers

W-Y

I just don't see Apple forcing a dongle on a $500 application. Perhaps if it were $1500+

[monkeybrain]

I've never heard of these dongles before, are they literally a USb stick-type-thing required to run the program? That just sounds crazy!

[Dark Helmet]

Dongle on a $500 app that will be used a lot on Laptops? Ya right.

[Weyland-Yutani]

Originally Posted by - - e r i k - -

Quark is by far not extinct yet. But it's a rotting zombie. And dongles (remember having to switch ADB-dongles for USB-dongles?) very much fueled the hatred towards the company (along with laughable customer relations, insane upgrade pricing). Quark did A lot of things to choke itself, and the dongle is right up there with the worst. Quark might have stopped using dongles, but the users haven't forgotten about them (and the fact that many still use version 4 or even 3.32!).

Interesting, but not worth replying to in detail. Nothing you write is backed up with facts and your post wreaks of sensationalism and projection so nothing is stopping you from continuing in that direction.

cheers

W-Y

[Weyland-Yutani]

Originally Posted by production_coordinator

I just don't see Apple forcing a dongle on a $500 application. Perhaps if it were $1500+

And I agree, as I write in my post that you quoted.

Originally Posted by Weyland-Yutani

If this app helps sell Macs then Apple will be careful not to protect it *too* much.

cheers

W-Y

[- - e r i k - -]

Originally Posted by Weyland-Yutani

Interesting, but not worth replying to in detail. Nothing you write is backed up with facts and your post wreaks of sensationalism and projection so nothing is stopping you from continuing in that direction.

cheers

W-Y

'Course if you had any insight into the publishing business you'd know it to be true.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quark%2C_Inc.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QuarkXPress
http://www.creativepro.com/story/feature/12860.html
http://www.breakingwindows.com/new/2...hate_quark.php
http://www.macedition.com/nmr/nmr_20021126.php
http://www.graphics.com/modules.php?...e&artid=10
http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/mo...;mode=feedback

[Weyland-Yutani]

Originally Posted by - - e r i k - -

'Course if you had any insight into the publishing business you'd know it to be true.

Whatever this thread is, it isn't about me. Furthermore you don't know anything about me so you are just projecting.

PS. I can find lots of hate-blogs about, say, Windows but that doesn't prove Windows is dead. It is still the industry standard and will be for the forseeable future. What was your point again? To show some people don't like Quark?

Bottom line is still: Quark is very much alive and in late 2005 still the industry standard for layout.

cheers

W-Y

[- - e r i k - -]

I didn't say it was dead. It's a rotten zombie. Just because it's still one of the industry standards (out of two), it's the one on the way out. Quark IS dying and will be for some time yet.

(Oh, and Wikipedia, Creative Pro and the general user rating (out of 320) on VersionTracker is hate-blog is it?)

[CaptainHaddock]

Quark is the industry standard as much as Mac OS 9. Sure, people still sometimes use it — because they have to, not because they want to.

(At least as far as this designer, who has completely stopped using Quark, can tell.)

But on to Aperture. At least one blogger has gotten his copy already. Hopefully reviews and screenshots will be appearing soon.

[Weyland-Yutani]

Originally Posted by - - e r i k - -

I didn't say it was dead. It's a rotten zombie.

Somewhere in this thread you said something had killed Quark.

Mac OS 9 is dead. It is dead because it is no longer supported by the company that made it, software and hardware wise and hasn't been for years. Quark is supported, being developed, sold and used in the industry on modern hardware. The latest release is in beta (Quark 7) and is still the industry standard.

You wouldn't claim the Macintosh is dead or that it is a "rotting zombie" whatever that is? Yet it has less than 5% of the computer market. Quark has an estimated 80% of the current marketshare as of 2005. It has nothing to do to whether individual people like it or not, just like with Windows.

cheers

W-Y

[Weyland-Yutani]

Originally Posted by CaptainHaddock

Quark is the industry standard as much as Mac OS 9. Sure, people still sometimes use it — because they have to, not because they want to.

(At least as far as this designer, who has completely stopped using Quark, can tell.)

But on to Aperture. At least one blogger has gotten his copy already. Hopefully reviews and screenshots will be appearing soon.

I'd say Quark is the industry standard as much as Windows

I am also looking forward to some Aperture reviews and screenshots. This has is a product with a lot of potential.

cheers

W-Y

[CatOne]

Originally Posted by Weyland-Yutani

Somewhere in this thread you said something had killed Quark.

Mac OS 9 is dead. It is dead because it is no longer supported by the company that made it, software and hardware wise and hasn't been for years. Quark is supported, being developed, sold and used in the industry on modern hardware. The latest release is in beta (Quark 7) and is still the industry standard.

You wouldn't claim the Macintosh is dead or that it is a "rotting zombie" whatever that is? Yet it has less than 5% of the computer market. Quark has an estimated 80% of the current marketshare as of 2005. It has nothing to do to whether individual people like it or not, just like with Windows.

cheers

W-Y

Quark's status as "industry standard" is questionable. InDesign has taken a HUGE piece of Quark's market-share pie. ID may not have all the market -- they may not even have the MAJORITY of the market (I haven't checked), but they have made huge inroads, largely because of Quark's ineptitude and awful treatment of its customers.

The fact is, when OS X came around, Quark said "meh, whatever, hey, buy our PC version" and really did NO improvements of its application for YEARS. They took money from their customers, gave them awful support, and generally pissed everybody off. Adobe was quite happy to take the business. Quark changed hands a couple years ago, and the new owners do seem more involved. But the sour grapes many people have will never be resolved... those people are producing .indd documents now... why would they go back? The print shops now support both... the tide has turned and Quark's market share will probably continue to decline, and sooner or later they will be gone.

[Weyland-Yutani]

Originally Posted by CatOne

Quark's status as "industry standard" is questionable. InDesign has taken a HUGE piece of Quark's market-share pie. ID may not have all the market -- they may not even have the MAJORITY of the market (I haven't checked), but they have made huge inroads, largely because of Quark's ineptitude and awful treatment of its customers.

The fact is, when OS X came around, Quark said "meh, whatever, hey, buy our PC version" and really did NO improvements of its application for YEARS. They took money from their customers, gave them awful support, and generally pissed everybody off. Adobe was quite happy to take the business. Quark changed hands a couple years ago, and the new owners do seem more involved. But the sour grapes many people have will never be resolved... those people are producing .indd documents now... why would they go back? The print shops now support both... the tide has turned and Quark's market share will probably continue to decline, and sooner or later they will be gone.

You are right, Quark still has the majority of market share after all this time. Corel and Adobe have roughly a quarter of they layout market between them, Quark has the rest.

Adobe wanted to take their business and who can forget their "Quark killer" app they promised. Today when the dust has settled and Quark is releasing a steady stream of updates, embracing open standards, offering free tech support - that is they are competing - they emerge at the top and Adobe is fighting an uphill battle. This was not what Adobe envisioned of course, but the best layed plans often go awry.

What I am seeing is healthy competition between Quark and Adobe and I consider that a good thing. The users benefit. No need for sour grapes, we all got what we wanted in the end. Those who want an alternative from Quark, have that and those who want to use the industry standard (Quark) can. People who like Corel can even join up.

Quark 6.5 is rolling in awards and has a large installed base with lots of extensions and litterature and Quark 7 on the way. Feature wise it is on par with the competition. Quark of the 90s was a dinosaur of a company but it has evolved. Simple as that.

cheers

W-Y

[nycdunz]

who cares about damn quark, this thread is about aperture... quark sucks anyways.

[tooki]

Yup. End the Quark debate, or I'll have to delete all the posts that mention Quark.

tooki

[Maflynn]

My copy came today WOOHOO

I'm not sure if this is new for Apple but I had to plug in a serial number. Looks good, I'll spend some time with it before I truly find out. Serendipitous I'm heading to Parris Island SC for my stepson's graduation to boot camp, so when I get back I'll be able to work with it.

[production_coordinator]

Originally Posted by Maflynn

My copy came today WOOHOO

I'm not sure if this is new for Apple but I had to plug in a serial number. Looks good, I'll spend some time with it before I truly find out. Serendipitous I'm heading to Parris Island SC for my stepson's graduation to boot camp, so when I get back I'll be able to work with it.

We expect screen shots a' plenty!

[nycdunz]

wow, looks like you're the very 1st to get your hands on it! who else got their copies?

[Cadaver]

Originally Posted by nycdunz

wow, looks like you're the very 1st to get your hands on it! who else got their copies?

My copy arrived today (academic SKU)! And I didn't even get a shipping email from Apple.
I'm importing my 5,000 image iPhoto library currently... I'll report back. I'm off work for the next two days, so I'll have plenty of time to play

[nycdunz]

damn please post up pics! and give us a personal review of it...

by the way, how big is it? does it come on a cd or dvd? whats included?

[Cadaver]

Originally Posted by nycdunz

damn please post up pics! and give us a personal review of it...

by the way, how big is it? does it come on a cd or dvd? whats included?

Funny - I had it in my hands, about to install it, and mail.app gave a new-mail sound. It was Apple's shipping conformation mail with the shipping tracking #. Shipped on 11/28 (yesterday)! Took only one day to get to me... and I didn't order any expedited shipping, either.

It comes on one DVD and includes a second tutorial DVD (haven't looked at it yet to see what's on it).

Mini (post 1 hour) review posted in the other Aperture thread....