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Dec 14, 2006, 08:16 PM
 
Anyone care to post benchmarks from a Intel Mac with time against CS2?

Important: You must enter your CS2 serial number on Adobe's web site which will in turn give you a working CS3 serial, do not enter it in the beta program.
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Dec 14, 2006, 08:29 PM
 
its out?
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Dec 14, 2006, 08:33 PM
 
It's supposed to be released tomorrow on the Adobe Labs page.
     
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Dec 14, 2006, 10:18 PM
 
I cannot wait!
     
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Dec 14, 2006, 10:56 PM
 
I was wondering why I didn't see anything else out here about it... I thought it was posted tonight. Sorry, guess I'll try and top this tomorrow afternoon and see what we have (though I'm sure it will be posted in separate threads in the Mac Pro and MacBook Pro forums)
     
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Dec 14, 2006, 11:05 PM
 
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20061214-8425.html

Set your alarm for sometime tomorrow afternoon, bookmark the Adobe Labs web site, and kick everyone off the Internet because it's a big download (about 355MB for the Windows version and 684MB for the Mac since it has both the PPC and Intel builds on the disk image). People on 56k should have it by Spring, easy.

I thought Universal Binaries weren't twice as big because only the executable needs to be duplicated and all the support files can be the same...
     
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Dec 14, 2006, 11:49 PM
 
Here's an interesting thing I read. It'll run for two days unless you have a valid serial number from either Adobe Photoshop CS2, Adobe Creative Suite 2, Adobe Creative Suite Production Studio, Adobe Design Bundle, Adobe Web Bundle or Adobe Video Bundle.

I have a valid Photoshop CS license (not CS2). Am I really SOL for this beta??
     
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Dec 15, 2006, 12:45 AM
 
Yes, in theory a Universal app could/should be not that much bigger than the normal size of the PPC/Intel build. However some of the other application vendors are choosing to build 2 seperate builds (Intel only / PPC only) for the reasons of optimizing and final build size[VLC, Firefox, etc]. I remember reading that some of the Firefox builds it had to deal with moving compilers so the choice is the make a Universal binary by 'messing' the PPC and Intel build together, basically ending up with a double in size file. This sounds like what Adobe has done. I'm guessing guessing that Adobe choose to split the builds down the middle, building a seperate PPC / Intel build as the PPC build may only live for 1 or 2 life cycles (that is, CS4 or CS5 may be Intel only). The SSE vs. AltiVec code may also have added to the size differences as well as the sales potention of CS3 to non-Intel machines. If you think about it, current G5 users are using CS2 perfectly fine and have little incentive to upgrade. When they do upgrade, it would be cost efficient to just move to an Intel Mac because they will get 2-5 or more times the speed increase moving to CS3. So I'm guessing the it wouldn't be unreasonable to say that CS3 maybe the last PPC build for Photoshop for Adobe.
     
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Dec 15, 2006, 01:58 AM
 
It's out. It is a fairly big file
     
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Dec 15, 2006, 04:03 AM
 
Does anyone have a link? I can't find this ANYWHERE on adobe's damn web site!
     
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Dec 15, 2006, 04:15 AM
 
courtesy of an arstechnica discussion board post: linky!

(684MB .dmg)
     
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Dec 15, 2006, 06:58 AM
 
And here is a comparison of CS2 and CS3 on a Mac Mini 1.66 and a MacBook Pro 2.0. Needless to say, the Intel Native version sure gives a nice perofrmance boost:

Photoshop CS3 Intel benchmarks - t-break and Middle East Gamers Forums
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Dec 15, 2006, 11:53 AM
 
So far this looks very impressive. It launches in less than 4 seconds on a MBP 2.33 with 2gbs ram. Filters seem very fast too. More testing to do...
     
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Dec 15, 2006, 11:56 AM
 
Yeah, I'm pretty impressed...other than the fact that my CS2 serial number isn't being recognized. Oh well!
     
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Dec 15, 2006, 01:03 PM
 
MacbookPro 15" 2.16ghz, 7200rpm hd, 2gb RAM, ext sata scratch, PSRAM=80%, History=1, Cache=6

CS2
Retouch Artists: 4:17
Retouch Artists: 4:10 (after restart)

CS3
Retouch Artists: 1:17
Retouch Artists: 1:16 (after restart)

Mac Pro 2.66 3GB RAM. 20 history states, 70% PSRAM
CS2 - 2:45
CS2 - 1:57 after restart

CS3 - 2:24
CS3 - 1:28 after restart
     
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Dec 15, 2006, 02:26 PM
 
MBP 2.33 5400rpm 120gb HD 80% full (already) 2gb ram, PSRAM=100%, History=1, Cache=6

CS3
Retouch Artists: 1:09
Retouch Artists: :56 (after restart)
Launch Cold Start : 18 s
Launch Warm start: 3.5 s

smokin'

CS2
Retouch Artists: 5:12
Retouch Artists: 5:08 (after restart)
Launch Cold Start : 36 s
Launch Warm start: 11 s

haha CS2 is teh loooser
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Dec 15, 2006, 02:33 PM
 
I don't see CS3 on the Adobe Labs page. Where are y'all getting it?
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Dec 15, 2006, 02:37 PM
 
Originally Posted by Chuckit View Post
I don't see CS3 on the Adobe Labs page. Where are y'all getting it?
You have to enter a CS2 serial:

https://www.adobe.com/cfusion/entitl...photoshop%5Fsn

Register & Download
https://www.adobe.com/cfusion/entitl...bs%5Fphotoshop
     
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Dec 15, 2006, 02:46 PM
 
Oh, thanks. How strange, that takes me there, but I still don't see it in the listing. Freaky.
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Dec 15, 2006, 02:49 PM
 
MacBook 2GHz Core Duo - 2GB Ram, scratch disk is the startup disk

Launch times
CS2 - 50secs - cold start
CS2 - 15sec - after it's be launched already

CS3 - 21sec - cold start
CS3 - 4secs - after it's be launched already

speeds using the test file and Radial blur in the Power Mac thread

CS2 - 57secs

CS3 - 36secs

the speed is about the same on a cold start and a relaunch.

not a bad improvement
     
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Dec 15, 2006, 02:55 PM
 
Originally Posted by osiris View Post
I tried that, but when I entered mine, it didn't recognize it.
     
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Dec 15, 2006, 02:59 PM
 
You need to enter your CS2# here first:
https://www.adobe.com/cfusion/entitl...photoshop%5Fsn
     
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Dec 15, 2006, 03:11 PM
 
Mac Pro, iMac 24 tests with charts:

http://digg.com/apple/Photoshop_CS3_...ro_and_iMac_24
     
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Dec 15, 2006, 03:14 PM
 
Originally Posted by DuckRacer1 View Post
I tried that, but when I entered mine, it didn't recognize it.

I think you need CS2 full, not an upgrade (if that's your case)
Otherwise I don't know...
     
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Dec 15, 2006, 03:46 PM
 
Why is everyone comparing it against CS2 on an Intel Mac. Of course it's faster.

let's see CS3 compared on a G5 vs. an Intel.
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Dec 15, 2006, 04:34 PM
 
Originally Posted by jasong View Post
Why is everyone comparing it against CS2 on an Intel Mac. Of course it's faster.

let's see CS3 compared on a G5 vs. an Intel.
I second this.
     
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Dec 15, 2006, 05:05 PM
 
Originally Posted by osiris View Post
I think you need CS2 full, not an upgrade (if that's your case)
Otherwise I don't know...
That blows, I only have an upgrade license.
     
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Dec 15, 2006, 05:13 PM
 
Originally Posted by rickey939 View Post
That blows, I only have an upgrade license.
I stand corrected - your license should work! (assuming it is legit)
http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/photoshopcs3/
     
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Originally Posted by osiris View Post
I stand corrected - your license should work! (assuming it is legit)
Adobe Labs - Adobe Photoshop CS3
Awww, I was trying to insert my CS2 code when prompted within CS3. After I re-read the Photoshop CS3 page, I saw the link to enter my CS2 code on Adobe's site where it spit out a perfectling working CS3 serial. I'm good to go now.

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Dec 15, 2006, 09:07 PM
 
I'm bummed. I've got a legit CS license, but not CS2. Crap.
     
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Dec 15, 2006, 09:27 PM
 
Originally Posted by Cadaver View Post
I'm bummed. I've got a legit CS license, but not CS2. Crap.
You can still try it out for two days.

I have to say, I'm impressed that they've found a way to make the interface feel even more bloated, annoying and un-Mac-like. It is faster than CS, though, even on a G5.
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Dec 15, 2006, 09:44 PM
 
I have a Core 2Duo macbook with 2gbs of ram. OMG its so mch faster with CS3. I would really like to test the speeds of CS2 with CS3 on my Powermac dual 1.8 bu I sold that for this machine.
     
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Dec 15, 2006, 09:53 PM
 
Originally Posted by Chuckit View Post
You can still try it out for two days.

I have to say, I'm impressed that they've found a way to make the interface feel even more bloated, annoying and un-Mac-like. It is faster than CS, though, even on a G5.
I'm rather sad too...Adobe used to be very Mac-like during the System 7 days.

Photoshop fit right it with the System 7 GUI. It was a marvel. Then Mac OS 8 came a long...and PS looked a bit weird but it wasn't so bad.

When OS X came around, Photoshop looked like some lost System 7 artifact. And now it just looks like some Windows app...with perhaps the Aqua document window as one of the very few remaining UI element that is native to OS X and some System 7 crap thrown in for good measure (stopwatch for example.)

I bet Adobe has decided Lua is the way to the future. All the niceties that Apple provides for the GUI are left ignored by Adobe.

It's really sad.
     
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Dec 15, 2006, 09:56 PM
 
Yeah, here I was hoping that the intel switch would force them to actually rewrite and un-bloat the thing, maybe even steal some of the Macromedia interface nicities, but alas, they've bloated it even more.

Runs perfect, though.
     
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Dec 15, 2006, 10:48 PM
 
Anyone see any PS3 G5 vs. Core Duo/Core 2 Duo/Xeon benchmarks yet?
Anyone see Windows vs. MacOS X PS3 benchmarks?
     
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Dec 16, 2006, 01:03 AM
 
No Universal Binary would seem to suggest no use of xCode wouldn't it? At least as a possibility? Or perhaps to make debug easier?
     
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Dec 16, 2006, 01:26 AM
 
That's what I'm thinking, Dimmer.
     
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Dec 16, 2006, 11:17 AM
 
I downloaded it but since I only own CS, I'm out of luck. Why in the world would adobe limit a public beta in such a way. Seems kind of stupid.
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Dec 16, 2006, 11:32 AM
 
You think not allowing you to use a CS license is bad? Try this: I have a CS2 license for Windows, since I didn't see the point in paying for CS2 for Mac when none of it would run natively. If you try and use your Windows CS2 serial number to generate a CS3 beta serial, you get a CS3 serial that only works on Windows.

Thanks, Adobe...
     
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Dec 16, 2006, 11:52 AM
 
No only do you need a CS2 license, but it has to be a full CS2 license, not an upgrade. That sucks.
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Originally Posted by bfalchuk View Post
No only do you need a CS2 license, but it has to be a full CS2 license, not an upgrade. That sucks.
My CS2 upgrade serial worked.

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On PPC at least, a one long-standing CS2 bug has not been addressed. With cursors set to precise, make a selection with the lasso tool. With the cursor inside the selection area, hold down the option key to subtract from selection. Cursor disappears.

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Originally Posted by dimmer View Post
No Universal Binary would seem to suggest no use of xCode wouldn't it? At least as a possibility? Or perhaps to make debug easier?
You don't need to use Xcode to create Universal Binaries.
     
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Originally Posted by mac128k-1984 View Post
I downloaded it but since I only own CS, I'm out of luck. Why in the world would adobe limit a public beta in such a way. Seems kind of stupid.
Same here. I own CS as well, never upgraded to CS 2 because it didn't have any features that I needed. I will definitely buy CS 3. Why doesn't Adobe just let us pre-order CS 3 and include a permanent activation code for the beta? I would do it!
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Originally Posted by Scifience View Post
You think not allowing you to use a CS license is bad? Try this: I have a CS2 license for Windows, since I didn't see the point in paying for CS2 for Mac when none of it would run natively. If you try and use your Windows CS2 serial number to generate a CS3 beta serial, you get a CS3 serial that only works on Windows.

Thanks, Adobe...
That's odd because Windows CS2 serials will work on Mac CS2
     
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Gah, this is frustrating. I'm intent on somehow finding the cash for CS3 when it comes out, but I certainly can't afford to buy CS2 right now, and why would I have when CS3 was right around the corner, and CS2 won't work on my Intel Mac! Sigh... if only serial numbers fell from the skies.
     
 
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