Welcome to the MacNN Forums.

If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.

You are here: MacNN Forums > Software - Troubleshooting and Discussion > Applications > why the Genius option need to send my data always??

why the Genius option need to send my data always??
Thread Tools
Grizzled Veteran
Join Date: Mar 2003
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Sep 12, 2008, 09:04 AM
 
iTunes 8 it's great and I love everything about it, but why I need to share my data info everytime I use the Genius option? Why it can't be optional, I mean one thing don't need to be atached to the other... I love the option but sharing my files is what I don't like... is there an option to block that data sharing and still use the Genius option? any plugin? I'll buy it now. Any ideas?
Enjoy My Mac Comic @ BLAST COMICS
     
Addicted to MacNN
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: FFM
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Sep 12, 2008, 09:33 AM
 
You are not sharing your files, you are sharing your listening habits. Obviously if nobody would do that, the Genius couldn't create suggestions.

Apple promises to process the listening habits anonymously. You will have to live with that if you want to use the Genius feature.

It also doesn't "always" send your data. It does so once a week.
     
Professional Poster
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Boston
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Sep 12, 2008, 09:44 AM
 
If iTunes does not send what songs you have and/or your listening habits how can the genius work? By its very nature and design the iTunes genius needs to know some information.

As for being optional,I believe it is. You have to turn on the genius and agree to the fact that you're sending information.
~Mike
     
Grizzled Veteran
Join Date: Mar 2003
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Sep 12, 2008, 09:45 AM
 
BUt it's the same thing PANDORA does... and it not taking any info from me.... you know? Why it need to know that, I think it's better doing the job based on genres and bpm... don't you think? more like a smart shuffle...
Enjoy My Mac Comic @ BLAST COMICS
     
Mac Elite
Join Date: Jun 2006
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Sep 12, 2008, 09:56 AM
 
Pandora is taking information from you. They know what types of stations you are creating, and how you rate/skip songs. It's the same thing. Knowing what the average user's library is like and what their habits are is the basis for any algorithm of this type.
     
Dedicated MacNNer
Join Date: Jul 2008
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Sep 12, 2008, 02:33 PM
 
I don't really get how it knows whether I like the songs in the library - I guess it would use ratings if I used them, but there is a bunch of stuff in my library that I don't like.
     
Mac Elite
Join Date: Nov 2001
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Sep 12, 2008, 03:44 PM
 
Play count maybe? Presumably you play stuff you like more often than stuff you don't like ;-)
     
Dedicated MacNNer
Join Date: Jul 2008
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Sep 12, 2008, 03:52 PM
 
Well, you'd think, and perhaps I need two iTunes libraries, but I use iTunes to manage assets that are not only my personal music collection.
     
Addicted to MacNN
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: FFM
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Sep 12, 2008, 05:08 PM
 
Genius creates playlists of songs that go well together, not songs you like. If you want to prefer songs you like, you need to rate them and use the Party Shuffle feature. You can use a Genius playlist as source for that.
     
Fresh-Faced Recruit
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Northern Ca
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Sep 12, 2008, 10:47 PM
 
I think it gives Apple and others your preferences of music.... But it also lets them know what you have downloaded from Limewire etc. I just see more Restrictions ...

 Bill
Bill
     
Clinically Insane
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: San Diego, CA, USA
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Sep 12, 2008, 11:10 PM
 
Apple has no way of knowing what you've downloaded illegally and, assuming the data really is anonymized, no idea who you are anyway.
Chuck
___
"Instead of either 'multi-talented' or 'multitalented' use 'bisexual'."
     
Posting Junkie
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Brisbane, Australia
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Sep 13, 2008, 01:33 PM
 
I really don't see why this is a problem. I track my listening habits publicly and non-anonymously.

So what if someone finds out my guilty pleasures?

[ fb ] [ flickr ] [] [scl] [ last ] [ plaxo ]
     
Posting Junkie
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: 888500128
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Sep 14, 2008, 04:49 AM
 
The information is completely anonymized (as per the EULA), so there is no way to track the massive playcount of "Barbie Girl" to you, erik.

Nor could they legally tie unauthorized downloads to your identity, EVEN IF they had any way of distinguishing them (which they don't), because their own EULA is very specific and very limited about what they're allowed to do with the data.


They track which songs you hear together, how often, what your playlists look like, etc., and combine that information with your iTunes Store buying habits and the same info from every other Genius user worldwide, and their own pre-existing database, to determine which songs are likely to go well with what you're using to generate a Genius playlist.

This information may be used ONLY in anonymized form, ONLY by Apple itself, and ONLY to recommend products and services to you and other Genius users who opt into this function (by showing the Genius sidebar or using the Genius playlist service in iTunes).
     
Posting Junkie
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Brisbane, Australia
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Sep 14, 2008, 05:17 AM
 
I know that iTunes work that way. I was more referring to http://last.fm/user/erikveland

[ fb ] [ flickr ] [] [scl] [ last ] [ plaxo ]
     
Posting Junkie
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: 888500128
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Sep 14, 2008, 07:58 AM
 
I assumed that you knew that. Only the first part of my post was directed at you.
     
Grizzled Veteran
Join Date: Mar 2003
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Sep 14, 2008, 05:40 PM
 
Originally Posted by WhalinWilly View Post
I think it gives Apple and others your preferences of music.... But it also lets them know what you have downloaded from Limewire etc. I just see more Restrictions ...

 Bill
See? that's what I'm afraid of.. At the end, they are getting info from your computer and not about what music you like or not.. I think they want to peek inside every Mac to know something.... paranoid?
Enjoy My Mac Comic @ BLAST COMICS
     
Posting Junkie
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Brisbane, Australia
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Sep 14, 2008, 07:02 PM
 
The music that you have downloaded from Limewire or wherever is not TAGGED with a special pirate tag. There's no way they can distinguish your illegal downloads from what you have imported from CD.

[ fb ] [ flickr ] [] [scl] [ last ] [ plaxo ]
     
Fresh-Faced Recruit
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Solingen, Germany
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Sep 15, 2008, 07:11 AM
 
Originally Posted by I WAS the One View Post
See? that's what I'm afraid of.. At the end, they are getting info from your computer and not about what music you like or not.. I think they want to peek inside every Mac to know something.... paranoid?
The only way Genius will work properly and safely is to wear a tin foil hat every time you activate the feature...
     
Forum Regular
Join Date: Oct 2007
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Sep 18, 2008, 07:14 PM
 
Originally Posted by I WAS the One View Post
iTunes 8 it's great and I love everything about it, but why I need to share my data info everytime I use the Genius option? Why it can't be optional, I mean one thing don't need to be atached to the other... I love the option but sharing my files is what I don't like... is there an option to block that data sharing and still use the Genius option? any plugin? I'll buy it now. Any ideas?
Well, if you don't like sharing that data, you probably won't like sharing your IP address, ISP, computer type and browser type with us. I've put it all on the sign below for everyone to see:

( Last edited by DCJ001; Sep 18, 2008 at 08:57 PM. )
     
Grizzled Veteran
Join Date: Mar 2003
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Jul 9, 2009, 08:22 AM
 
Originally Posted by DCJ001 View Post
Well, if you don't like sharing that data, you probably won't like sharing your IP address, ISP, computer type and browser type with us. I've put it all on the sign below for everyone to see:

lol thats great! I'm copying it to use it too! lol

I just wanted to know about the info or/and database of your tracks and stuff like that. I know that just to enjoy the net your ip info its exposed.
Enjoy My Mac Comic @ BLAST COMICS
     
   
Thread Tools
Forum Links
Forum Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On
Top
Privacy Policy
All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:06 AM.
All contents of these forums © 1995-2014 MacNN. All rights reserved.
Branding + Design: www.gesamtbild.com
vBulletin v.3.8.8 © 2000-2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.3.2