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"unknown" is taking liberties
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Sep 29, 2008, 10:24 PM
 
i gotta tough one if anyone wants to give it a shot... im wondering about the "(unknown)" name that appears in the sharing & permissions (when one clicks "get info") that (i think probably for everyone whos afflicted with this) is on permanent "Read only" and cannot be deleted. from the snippets that ive read, it probably came about when upgrading (not a clean install) from tiger to leopard. which leads me to think a lot of people have this. apparently its harmless, doesnt effect anything. i 85% beleive that (which is good) but it still bugs me. i am suprised that there isnt a whole lot about this on the internet from confused mac owners...and even if its benign, apple is so aesthetically oriented i would have though they would have addressed it or some kind of fix within an update by now (this is sounding more and more like a parallel to another paranoid post ive written on this forum). anyone got a grasp as to what this "unknown" character is all about? OR how to show him/her the exit and have the house of permissions clean once more?
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Sep 30, 2008, 05:13 PM
 
BACKGROUND:
Panther introduced (and Tiger continued) a tradition of automatically creating a
special group for new users, whose name & gid were the same as the user's name
and gid. [e.g., steve 501 would be the group/gid for user steve with uid 501.]

Leopard doesn't do this automatically, rather -- to facilitate sharing -- Leopard
reverts back to Jaguar's (and earlier OSs) scheme of auto-assigning the group
'staff' (gid 20).

ISSUE:
The crux of the 'unknown' problem has to do with the fact that Leopard totally
abandoned NetInfo in favor of DirectoryServices, so when users upgraded from
Tiger (and earlier), the user database had to be transferred from one format to
the other. Some upgrade/migrate paths worked... i.e., when I did a clean install
plus immediate migration, the process properly created my '501' group for me,
(inside the new /var/db/dslocal hierarchy). Other users weren't so lucky.

That means -- when they migrated their items [assigned to their 501 groups] --
Leopard had no record of any group 501 in its database. Hence, it displays the
apparently uneditable (in Finder) 'unknown' group. Terminal shows the true gid.

FIX:
There's basically two ways to correct this: either assign all such items to the
group 'staff' --- or simply create the missing username/501 group, so that
Leopard can match up those assignments with a "known" group.

NOTES:
I focused on user/501, but naturally this extends to 502, 503, 504, etc., etc.
As far as actually creating a group or changing items from 'unknown' to 'staff'
I would probably use Terminal... but other methods surely exist.
-HI-
     
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Sep 30, 2008, 05:32 PM
 
hey thanks Hal Itosis... a lot of that goes way over my head but a lot of its cleared up too. is it all really harmless? am wondering if i shouldnt even bother.
     
   
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