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DewD · Jul 9, 2011, 10:15 PM

Flash! Help me before I go crazy trying to find Flash Player 10.1 for my PowerPC- Tiger Mac.

Flash Player 10.1.102.64 to be precise...last version to work on PowerPC Mac

Who in hell still has an archived installer ? Adobe sure doesn't , can't find it anywhere and it's barely a year out of date. Grrrrrr........

Cold Warrior · Jul 9, 2011, 10:58 PM

ftp.adobe.com/pub/

I'd give you the exact path but iPad safari can't do FTP.

reader50 · Jul 9, 2011, 11:24 PM

You can get them here. You have to dig it out of a 126MB archive though, ignoring the Windows versions, the Linux versions, and the debug builds.

I do archive all my software downloads, so I can build a fresh partition quickly. Also in case software disappears from the 'net in the meantime.

DewD · Jul 10, 2011, 08:22 AM

Thanks reader and Cold--- after a lot of spelunking the web, I did find the Adobe " Older Versions " of Flash. They had---as you stated---buried it in a single folder with the heap of all Flash Players for all platforms. It was lost in the clutter.

All iks better, except my condescension of Adobe's customer support just went up --AGAIN! That version of Flash wasn't even a year old , and it was the last that ran on PPC.

Adobe just doesn't care about anything except sales. They sell greed. They used to care about creativity and innovation and service, but that was a long time ago.

Glad these forums work.

ibook_steve · Jul 10, 2011, 02:47 PM

I'm not a fan of Adobe either, but I'm not sure why you're upset.

If Apple doesn't support PPC anymore in new releases of their software, why should Adobe? They have the last PPC version of Flash available, so what's the problem?

Steve

Spheric Harlot · Jul 10, 2011, 02:50 PM

The manner in which Adobe defines "available".

angelmb · Jul 10, 2011, 02:57 PM

Adobe is worse than Microsoft.

DewD · Jul 10, 2011, 04:35 PM

OK---here's why I am upset with Adobe in this instance. It is irrelevant that neither Apple nor Adobe wants toe ver deal with powerPC again. TS, e;liot...there are still millions of PPC Macs and hundreds of thousands of PPC Leopard-Tiger-Panther users out here in the real world away from the Sales Department at Adobe or Cupertino. I also drive a 29 year old Volvo 245 that I wouldn't give up, either, as long as it keeps working.

My intel iMac hard drive failed this week , but is covered by Apple Care. Meanwhile, I have to revert to using my old G4 PowerMac for the interim. ( I live 500 miles from an Apple Store and 150 miles from a retailer/servicer ) . That old G4 was last used as a workstation two years ago but now is front line. Much has changed in the past two years. So I update its everyday applications . Mozilla Thunderbird E-mail: check. Neo-Office: check. iTunes; QuickTime;Safari browser ; Java ; Flip4Mac: heck. But my preferred web browser is Firefox . My choice there is the excellent TenFourFox , which is Firefox 5 ported back to PowerPC just fine...( FU Mozilla , and the 1-4 Fox guys will GIVE you the code but you still won;t take it! ) . Flash was orphaned by Mozilla, too.. . FF4 and FF5 are Intel-only. I only had Flash Player 9 at my disposal, which is NOT good enough . For one thing, Flash 9 won;t run YouTubes and virtually every website using Flash is Flash 10 or better. So I go to get an install of Flash 10.1 for my PowerPC.

Finding a Flash Player 10.1 Installer should have taken all of 3-5 minutes. it took me 3 hours to find where Adobe had BURIED IT. Yeah they still have it laying around, down in a dungeon, unsupported, outcast , exiled. yet a year ago it was front line stuff. Only a year ago. Adobe made it purposely near impossible to find. So what if it is full of security holes and an embarrassing bit of bloatware...it still is the only thing that works on PPC in the near term.

Adobe's attitude is much more unconscionable than even Apple and Mozilla and the rest of the " No Rear View Mirror" tech industries that refuse to service something that is still viable. Only HP is worse than Adobe, as far as Macs are concerned IMHO, because their stuff never works worth crap on a Mac to begin with.

The only reason Apple still supports iTunes retroactively compared to all their other software is iTunes is the Point-of-Sale beyond being a media library player. Grrr..... How cynical of them...

As a counterpoint, the very excellent GraphicConverter application by Thorston Lemke and his team is supported as far forward ( Lion 10.7 ) and all the way back thru Classic/OS 8-9.

Adobe and Apple would do well to learn from the masters: Volvo and Thorston Lemke, and realize it isn't all about sales and marketting. it might also be about your customers needs and your customers wants, instead of installing a brass ring in their noses and leading them against their will to some new pasture while the old pasture is still green .

They think we are made of money and can buy all this new stuff every 12-18 months. I think they are made of greed. Brown odiferous greed.

This time around, it hurt. But I'm better now. Got Flash 10.1 from the dungeon where Adobe hid it.

ibook_steve · Jul 11, 2011, 12:53 AM

Wow.

Neither Apple, Adobe, Microsoft, or anybody else has a gun to your head saying you must upgrade to the latest and greatest.

I also tried searching for the older versions of Flash with the search on Adobe's site: "older versions of flash" which immediately got me here:

Archived Flash Player versions

Took me two minutes.

Steve

angelmb · Jul 11, 2011, 01:30 AM

Originally Posted by DewD

I also drive a 29 year old Volvo 245 that I wouldn't give up, either, as long as it keeps working.

Aahh, the lovely 200 series. If you looked up VOLVO chances are a photo of the 200 series would be right next to the definition. No wonder it still runs !!

My choice there is the excellent TenFourFox

I also run it on my older Power Mac MDD G4, but in all honest like iCab and Opera more. iCab is also available for PPC Macs. The much improved Opera 11.50, sadly, is not.

Neither Apple, Adobe, Microsoft, or anybody else has a gun to your head saying you must upgrade to the latest and greatest.

CS5 will not read CS5.5's INDD files.

Say you're upgrading from CS3, CS4… which one would you get?, 'latest and greatest' of course, you get all the iPad fancy features. Oh wait, you hit 'buy upgrade' too soon !!, what if that friend of you still on CS5 sends you an InDesign document?; you wouldn't be able to open it, so you better buy the CS5 upgrade. Which would be dumb as iPad is all the rage right now, why would you choose to be left behind?, seems like a stupid move on your part, huh?. So, safest scenario?, buy both, the upgrade to CS5 and the upgrade CS5.5.

In a nutshell, I have to:
1.- update to CS5 from either CS3 or CS4: 1887 euros
2.- update to CS5.5 from CS5: 1887 euros

Grand total: 3774 euros.

Yes Adobe, it makes fu**ing sense. For you. Sure it does.

Spheric Harlot · Jul 11, 2011, 01:33 AM

If you buy CS5, the upgrade to 5.5 is free.

angelmb · Jul 11, 2011, 02:58 AM

Look before you leap.

It was, for a limited time. Not only that, you can't buy CS5 from Adobe anymore.

Spheric Harlot · Jul 11, 2011, 03:26 AM

In Germany, the grace period for free upgrades to CS5.5 runs until purchase on August 9th, 2011 (you have to register for the upgrade with Adobe by August 24th).

CS5 is still available through various retailers.

angelmb · Jul 11, 2011, 04:16 AM

Not only that, but upgrade prices in Germany are much lower !!!

Upgrade from CS4 to CS5.5: 713 euros
Upgrade from CS5 to CS5.5: 415 euros

To make things worse, you can't upgrade from an english version to a spanish version and vice versa. What a damn joke Adobe policy upgrade is.